The Last of Us

j00t said:

people are looking at the difference between the metacritic score and the audience review score and blame the disparity on trolls review bombing because they just can't accept new things. so regardless of how LEGITIMATE these criticisms are (the ending that isn't even narratively consistent, being forced to play as a character that you have nothing but anger towards, etc) your argument just gets thrown out at the gate because misogyny

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This is exactly what happened with the Last Jedi, too.

jonoki said:

Lol from the replies... View attachment 279014

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IGN editors keeping it classy

TBT-TheBigToe said:

Sooooooooooooooooooo... people playing the game... how is it?

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Just under 6 hours in. It's exactly what you would expect from TLOU. Except women are in the forefront. I don't know how far I am, still in "Day One."

China Bat Soup said:

The dumbest thing about these games, and this covers a lot of ground, is that they suggest that in a post-apocoylptic world, women would retain relatively the same equality and freedoms they have in society now. In reality, they would be kidnapped, raped, and bartered as sex slaves. Absolute best case scenario for a woman would be being under lock and key doing housework and raising children while the men hunted and provided security. You know, exactly like nature intended.

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isn’t this more or less hinted at in “The Road?”

Cybsled said:

One thing I always say about Chrono Cross, is that it was an decent game, but it was a shit sequel to Chrono Trigger.

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Harshaw said:

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Damn, came here to post that myself.

j00t said:

people are looking at the difference between the metacritic score and the audience review score and blame the disparity on trolls review bombing because they just can't accept new things. so regardless of how LEGITIMATE these criticisms are (the ending that isn't even narratively consistent, being forced to play as a character that you have nothing but anger towards, etc) your argument just gets thrown out at the gate because misogyny

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To be fair, the majority of those reviews are probably people who never played the game and are probably mostly commenting off the leaks. The game wasn't out long enough for people to properly comment, even if you count early access streamers and you watching them play the game. Unfair review bombs usually will equalize out over time, though, because they're almost always front loaded. If the product truly isn't that bad, then the user score eventually recovers and will start to settle towards a more accurate score as more of the general audience plays it.

joz123 said:

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Chrono Cross -was- a shit sequel to Chrono Trigger though

1) Virtually no character development - I mean, it's to be expected when you have like 40 some odd characters. Literally the only character development 95% of the characters had was their introduction and the single blurb they got when you beat the game. Their lines in game otherwise are virtually identical, save for the odd "accent" they might throw in. In the OG game, each character had distinct personalities and interactions.

2) Shoehorned Chrono Trigger connection - It had almost no connection to Chrono Trigger and they actually -removed- portions that would have made the connection stronger. There is a brief mid-game interlude where you see the OG crew, a hidden easter egg fight with Ozzy+Flea+Slash, and a "oh ya, Lavos is the actual bad guy!" fight that appears at the end out of nowhere with the purpose of freeing Scalia (who is then in the real world at the end? Ending was confusing as fuck). Oh ya, and the little cavegirl is insinuated to be Ayla's mom if you beat the game with her in your party.

3) Removed content - I can't even remember the character's name, but do you recall that magician character you meet semi-early in the game with a mask that joins your party? Originally it was supposed to be Magus and there was going to be stronger storyline of him trying to find his sister. Then the dev team removed all that because they didn't want players to be exclusively using him in their party vs. the 40+ other bland characters they stuffed into the game. Gee whiz, I'm sure glad they did that so I could pick a talking plant or generic_knight_00 instead!

4) Game play felt like a step back: Instead of having the ability based cross attacks of the original that came across as unique, they went for a simplified elemental system (again, probably the result of having a massive amount of characters)

As a stand-alone game, Chrono Cross was a decent JRPG. As a sequel to Chrono Trigger, probably one of the greatest JRPGs ever, it was dogshit.

I hated Chrono cross. Number one complaint was the size of the cast.

OU Ariakas said:

You say that like it is an awesome game that people are going to eventually realize is great but the old fans are just angry right now. You are wrong because people hated the gameplay in number 1 and still call it one of the best games ever because of the character driven story.

It would be like saying people would eventually like GoW 2 if Zeus killed Kratos in the first hour of the game and then the game had you play as Zeus while you go to the underworld to find Kratos' wife and daughter and torture them for eternity. Then Zeus turns into a girl and seduces Atreus. Totally game of the year.

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I'm saying that it -is- being reviewed bomb in those early reviews for the most part (not all of them obviously, but obviously not all of them played the game or even watched it all) and as time goes on, it will be shown whether or not the general public agrees with that.

Review bombs are usually front loaded things or part of a coordinated effort. But they usually aren't constant, which means if something is being reviewed bombed and is better than what the bomb lets on, then it will end up calibrating at a truer score over time

TLOU2's story isn't all bad. There are some nice elements, especially the Ellie flashbacks with Joel and how that sort of fills in the blanks between TLOU1 and TLOU2. Like the museum flashback game segment where Ellie finds where a former Firefly member had gone and you piece together that they ultimately killed themselves under the weight of all the bad shit they did with the promise of saving humanity, but ultimately Fireflies disbanded post-TLOU1 and the members felt betrayed and it was all for nothing. Stuff like that is great from a narrative perspective, especially if you want to try to explain why people have such a desire to get revenge on Joel. I mean heck, it even makes sense in the context of Ellie's journey (do the ends justify the means?). The ending tries to say it doesn't, but it sends such a mixed message that the ending falls flat and is insulting to the audience when taken with the context of everything that lead up to that point.

I suspect the game will probably end up settling around a 5 or 6ish audience score, with the primary drivers being a) forced to play an unlikable character for an extended stretch of time with a storyline of minimal interest b) inconsistencies with TLOU1 character development c) garbage ending.

Noodleface said:

I hated Chrono cross. Number one complaint was the size of the cast.

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What isn't there to love about a game with 45 playable characters?

the true theme of TLOU2 is never, ever, ever leave any witnesses when you murder someone and just to be safe kill everyone who even might know you were involved. An odd morality for a liberal jew to push but good to keep in mind in the riots to come.

The funny thing is 2020 has turned me into a fucking weeb, the last few games I've played and really enjoyed are Yakuza, Tokyo Mirage Fire Emblem, Fire Emblem 3 Houses, and currently playing and loving Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition. Soon I'll be watching anime and shit I bet since 90% of the new west TV shows also look stupid as fuck. Thanks, shitty western game studios

spronk said:

. Soon I'll be watching anime and shit

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Anime does really well with comedy, but the shit they do for tragedies/drama can be seriously disturbing.

Cybsled said:

I'm saying that it -is- being reviewed bomb in those early reviews for the most part (not all of them obviously, but obviously not all of them played the game or even watched it all) and as time goes on, it will be shown whether or not the general public agrees with that.

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If you know what happens in the game and know that there's ZERO chance that anything else they could do would change your mind about it, there's nothing wrong with a review even if you haven't actually played it. Especially for something like TLoU, which is at best an interactive movie. This type of game only works when the story is so good that no one minds being railroaded through a linear plot in which the player has absolutely no way affect the outcome. Even David Cage understands this, and his games (with the exception of Beyond, which deserves a score far lower than other QD games and copycats like Until Dawn) have a range of endings where people die, killers get away with it, etc. but there's always the option for the player to do everything right and get the best ending.

TLoU2 has none of that. There's one ending, and one set of plot points from start to end, and every single one of them would be like the player fucked up in the worst possible way in a game with choices. I can say with 100% confidence as a huge fan of the first game that this absolutely deserves a 0/10. Hell, I said that before I saw the actual ending so I guess it should be pretty deep in the negatives now.

TLOU2's story isn't all bad. There are some nice elements, especially the Ellie flashbacks with Joel and how that sort of fills in the blanks between TLOU1 and TLOU2.

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The fact that Joel and Ellie stuff only happens in flashbacks is one of the worst parts of the game and a very big part of why people hate it so much. The trailers showed Joel saying "You didn't think I'd let you do this alone did you?" and made everyone think that there'd be gameplay with the two of them again, but that was a straight up fucking lie and it's actually Jesse who says that to Ellie.

Looks like that IGN writer deleted her tweet insulting her audience calling them virgins. But her twitter feed right now is her still insulting her audience and being reassured by blue check marks how awesome she is. These people are clueless. So far iv seen XQC, 39Daph, Sodapoppin, and Jinnytty beat the game and they all disliked it. These reviewer are really disconnected from who they are suppose to be writing for.