The Matrix Resurrections (2021)

Kirun · Dec 27, 2021

Ossoi said:
Larry Wachowski was married to his wife Thea for about eight years; then, after The Matrix came out, his behavior abruptly changed. He descended into the sexual underbelly of LA, first as a fanatical new devotee to BDSM, and, later, as a transvestite and then (it is rumored) as a full-blown transsexual. Comments made concerning an earlier film, Bound, would seem to imply that this was a long-term preoccupation of Larry's and, indeed, is treated as such by many fans.

However, the truth is a bit stranger. Ilsa Strix, the woman who is generally acknowledged to have introduced Larry to BDSM, actually was a relative latecomer to his BDSM phase and was primarily a love interest, not a guide. What she did introduce him to was intramuscularly-injected ketamine.

Ketamine is widely known as a "party drug," generally as a poor substitute for ecstasy. But ketamine is neither a stimulant nor a psychedelic, strictly speaking; it is a dissociative anaesthetic, far more similar to dextromethorphan hydrobromide (DXM, in 'Tussin) and PCP than to ecstasy, mushrooms, LSD, et cetera. As "party drug" people are usually wary of needles, they tend to snort ketamine. People tending to enjoy more, ah, intense drug experiences may inject it into a muscle.

Ketamine, injected into muscle, triggers an extremely intense dreamlike state that lasts for days (according to the injectee) or ten minutes (according to consensual reality). The injectee is otherwise unconscious during this time.

It is believed that Ilsa Strix (professional Dominatrix, ex-wife of Buck Angel, for whom you probably do not want to do a Google Image Search) introduced Larry Wachowski to an experiment she had conceived of while watching the film Altered States; what if ketamine intoxication could be combined with the endorphin and psychological rushes resulting from painful domination and sex? A typical session consisted of a long period (sometimes hours) of degradation, beatings and "confusion play" at the hands of Buck Angel, followed by prolonged whipping and prolonged orgasm denial, and then a sudden injection of ketamine at orgasm.

As one might imagine, this had a hell of an effect.

What no one could predict was the immense amount of power that Ilsa Strix would thereafter exercise over Larry Wachowski and, thus, the Wachowski Brothers as a pair. As Larry became more and more fixated on Ilsa and her play, she began transitioning their private relationship into a more public role. Private humiliation turned into public humiliation, with the tall, formerly burly Wachowski forced into increasingly effeminate costumes for degrading public display.

It is thought that, at this time, Ilsa Strix guided the drug-addled, traumatized Larry Wachowski to alter the Matrix epic (originally intended to be an HBO original series, with a theatrical pilot) into a trilogy with the second and third films shot simultaneously á la Back to the Future. Andy Wachowski, who had been in favor of keeping the series theatrical (although he disliked the confinements of the trilogy format) saw a theatrical trilogy as a valid compromise.

The storyline that the brothers had thought out was greatly compressed, and Ilsa Strix's ideas were added (the Twins and the Zion Orgy thing, for instance, but also the recommendation of the incomparable Monica Bellucci). Much of the ambiguity of the first film was discarded and a more conventional Christ mythology was adopted; it is believed that the obvious archetypal interactions of the first film were what Neo was truly trying to destroy -- essentially freeing humanity's minds so that its asses would follow.

In short, the Wachowski Brothers originally intended to present The Matrix series as an allegory of mankind overcoming its genetic predispositions to certain shared narratives (monomyths) that Larry and Andy considered harmful. Instead, the trilogy ended up as just another exercise of those monomyths.

Whatever the outcome of that experiment, the Wachowski Brothers have since shown no signs of fulfilling their early promise. The affair is rumored to have greatly weakened the brothers' abilities to work together, and their "collaborations" since have essentially been for show, more akin to McCartney and Lennon's "collaborations" than a truly shared affair.

Captain Suave · Dec 27, 2021

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The Long Walk was if the Running Man and Hunger Games had an incest baby.

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I was super confused, initially thought you were talking about this. "Hunger Games? Not the parallel I'd have drawn..."

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Torrid · Dec 27, 2021

I'm actually rather surprised at how many people liked this movie and the new Star Wars, recent MCU flicks etc. The few I actually saw I think are fucking dog shit tier garbage; although they're amusing to laugh at between the teeth clenching cringe.

My current working theory is that there are basically two types of movie goers: type A (lets call them triple digit IQ people) care much more about the plot and a story that makes fucking sense that isn't full of contrived nonsense and gaping holes. Type B (lets call them double digit IQ people) just care about visuals and 'cool looking stuff'. Before CGI was common/easy, filmmakers needed a plot because the monster was a dude in a costume and to make the movie not seem ridiculous they needed to suspend disbelief with an engrossing story. Now they just make CGI pewpew and that satisfies enough type Bs to make money, ruining it for type As.

I hate wokeness as much as ya'all, even if I'm a leftist (I need to call myself a classical leftist now, apparently. either that or I'm getting redpilled) however even if they cuck the white males hard in these films, they can still come up with a plot that makes some kind of sense, and they don't. I had presumed they were diversifying the fuck out of shit as a stupid attempt at creating broader appeal (and therefore increased profit) and not realizing that they are alienating their core fan bases. Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity and whatnot. However that argument gets harder to defend with time. Although ultimately it's not Kathleen "the force is female" Kennedy's fault that Star Wars is ruined as much as it is Lucas and Disney for putting her in charge. That was leadership incompetence more than anything else.

The original Matrix just seems like an incredible stroke of luck to a couple of dudes who didn't know what they were doing. Either that or the BDSM chick REALLY fucked with their heads.

BoozeCube · Dec 27, 2021

Ossoi said:
Larry Wachowski was married to his wife Thea for about eight years; then, after The Matrix came out, his behavior abruptly changed. He descended into the sexual underbelly of LA, first as a fanatical new devotee to BDSM, and, later, as a transvestite and then (it is rumored) as a full-blown transsexual. Comments made concerning an earlier film, Bound, would seem to imply that this was a long-term preoccupation of Larry's and, indeed, is treated as such by many fans.

However, the truth is a bit stranger. Ilsa Strix, the woman who is generally acknowledged to have introduced Larry to BDSM, actually was a relative latecomer to his BDSM phase and was primarily a love interest, not a guide. What she did introduce him to was intramuscularly-injected ketamine.

Ketamine is widely known as a "party drug," generally as a poor substitute for ecstasy. But ketamine is neither a stimulant nor a psychedelic, strictly speaking; it is a dissociative anaesthetic, far more similar to dextromethorphan hydrobromide (DXM, in 'Tussin) and PCP than to ecstasy, mushrooms, LSD, et cetera. As "party drug" people are usually wary of needles, they tend to snort ketamine. People tending to enjoy more, ah, intense drug experiences may inject it into a muscle.

Ketamine, injected into muscle, triggers an extremely intense dreamlike state that lasts for days (according to the injectee) or ten minutes (according to consensual reality). The injectee is otherwise unconscious during this time.

It is believed that Ilsa Strix (professional Dominatrix, ex-wife of Buck Angel, for whom you probably do not want to do a Google Image Search) introduced Larry Wachowski to an experiment she had conceived of while watching the film Altered States; what if ketamine intoxication could be combined with the endorphin and psychological rushes resulting from painful domination and sex? A typical session consisted of a long period (sometimes hours) of degradation, beatings and "confusion play" at the hands of Buck Angel, followed by prolonged whipping and prolonged orgasm denial, and then a sudden injection of ketamine at orgasm.

As one might imagine, this had a hell of an effect.

What no one could predict was the immense amount of power that Ilsa Strix would thereafter exercise over Larry Wachowski and, thus, the Wachowski Brothers as a pair. As Larry became more and more fixated on Ilsa and her play, she began transitioning their private relationship into a more public role. Private humiliation turned into public humiliation, with the tall, formerly burly Wachowski forced into increasingly effeminate costumes for degrading public display.

It is thought that, at this time, Ilsa Strix guided the drug-addled, traumatized Larry Wachowski to alter the Matrix epic (originally intended to be an HBO original series, with a theatrical pilot) into a trilogy with the second and third films shot simultaneously á la Back to the Future. Andy Wachowski, who had been in favor of keeping the series theatrical (although he disliked the confinements of the trilogy format) saw a theatrical trilogy as a valid compromise.

The storyline that the brothers had thought out was greatly compressed, and Ilsa Strix's ideas were added (the Twins and the Zion Orgy thing, for instance, but also the recommendation of the incomparable Monica Bellucci). Much of the ambiguity of the first film was discarded and a more conventional Christ mythology was adopted; it is believed that the obvious archetypal interactions of the first film were what Neo was truly trying to destroy -- essentially freeing humanity's minds so that its asses would follow.

In short, the Wachowski Brothers originally intended to present The Matrix series as an allegory of mankind overcoming its genetic predispositions to certain shared narratives (monomyths) that Larry and Andy considered harmful. Instead, the trilogy ended up as just another exercise of those monomyths.

Whatever the outcome of that experiment, the Wachowski Brothers have since shown no signs of fulfilling their early promise. The affair is rumored to have greatly weakened the brothers' abilities to work together, and their "collaborations" since have essentially been for show, more akin to McCartney and Lennon's "collaborations" than a truly shared affair.

You should keep your sick faggot fanfics to yourself you disgusting degenerate.

Ossoi · Dec 27, 2021

BoozeCube said:
You should keep your sick faggot fanfics to yourself you disgusting degenerate.

LMAO we know why the above does not appeal to you - you lack sufficient muscle mass to inject ketamine into, no wonder you are anti-vaxx lmao.

Vanessa · Dec 27, 2021

Ossoi said:
LMAO we know why the above does not appeal to you - you lack sufficient muscle mass to inject ketamine into, no wonder you are anti-vaxx lmao.

So that's the seedy story behind the Matrix, huh? Unreal. I looked up Ilsa Strix. Everything you posted appears to be true, which is wild. Puts things into perspective!

It'd just be better if it was original material you put forth... that would've been so cool. I'd have been like... damn, we underestimated the asshat and his connections.

But... no.

TheNozz · Dec 27, 2021

BoozeCube said:
You should keep your sick faggot fanfics to yourself you disgusting degenerate.

I heard about him and his relationship with a bdsm dominatrix way back before the trans thing started

not the gory details, but I was aware he was dating a dominatrix

the story seems entirely plausible

jayrebb · Dec 27, 2021

Yikes

rhinohelix · Dec 27, 2021

When he fucked up end of The Dark Tower, I was done.

Chukzombi said:
i cant bring myself to read his latest stuff anymore. he should have retired 10 years ago. but he still has some decent ideas every now and then. though my god he borrows so heavily from his own tropes its mega obvious every time he uses them. writer protagonist, check, sage black person, check, hyper religious nutcase, check. super racist evil redneck in charge, check. incredibly savvy kids. check check. some weird pedo incest shit. yeah. 70s and 80s was the golden age, then it was only sometimes in the 90s and then hardly at all afterward.

Torrid said:
I'm actually rather surprised at how many people liked this movie and the new Star Wars, recent MCU flicks etc. The few I actually saw I think are fucking dog shit tier garbage; although they're amusing to laugh at between the teeth clenching cringe.

My current working theory is that there are basically two types of movie goers: type A (lets call them triple digit IQ people) care much more about the plot and a story that makes fucking sense that isn't full of contrived nonsense and gaping holes. Type B (lets call them double digit IQ people) just care about visuals and 'cool looking stuff'. Before CGI was common/easy, filmmakers needed a plot because the monster was a dude in a costume and to make the movie not seem ridiculous they needed to suspend disbelief with an engrossing story. Now they just make CGI pewpew and that satisfies enough type Bs to make money, ruining it for type As.

I hate wokeness as much as ya'all, even if I'm a leftist (I need to call myself a classical leftist now, apparently. either that or I'm getting redpilled) however even if they cuck the white males hard in these films, they can still come up with a plot that makes some kind of sense, and they don't. I had presumed they were diversifying the fuck out of shit as a stupid attempt at creating broader appeal (and therefore increased profit) and not realizing that they are alienating their core fan bases. Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity and whatnot. However that argument gets harder to defend with time. Although ultimately it's not Kathleen "the force is female" Kennedy's fault that Star Wars is ruined as much as it is Lucas and Disney for putting her in charge. That was leadership incompetence more than anything else.

The original Matrix just seems like an incredible stroke of luck to a couple of dudes who didn't know what they were doing. Either that or the BDSM chick REALLY fucked with their heads.

There is an argument that goes along the lines that some of what we are seeing ala Identity politics is due to changing movie audience demographics and not *all* ideology. As it goes, women make viewing decisions like 65-70% of time (IIRC, number is vague, I could easily be wrong) and a much larger percentage of the audience typically; Blacks are overrepresented typically I think due to urban film audience sampling/less streaming/internet and more traditional viewing habits but make up something like 25/30% of moviegoers. So the bean counters are skewing movies toward these audiences isn't shocking but rather than making content for these groups, they are taking mainstream fare, couching it in political terms, also taking traditional big-budget tent pole movies and attacking traditional demos is somewhat shocking.

RE: the Wachowskis, I think the reality is, they had an idea, that they had probably worked on for a decade, which hit just at the right moment and have forever been chasing that high. They are one trick ponies. They invented the Run-and-Shoot offense but guess what? Now everyone runs and defends what made the Run and Shoot special. It's no longer a Ritz, now its just a cracker.

Arbitrary · Dec 27, 2021

Ossoi said:
an experiment she had conceived of while watching the film Altered States

Chukzombi · Dec 27, 2021

rhinohelix said:
When he fucked up end of The Dark Tower, I was done.
There is an argument that goes along the lines that some of what we are seeing ala Identity politics is due to changing movie audience demographics and not *all* ideology. As it goes, women make viewing decisions like 65-70% of time (IIRC, number is vague, I could easily be wrong) and a much larger percentage of the audience typically; Blacks are overrepresented typically I think due to urban film audience sampling/less streaming/internet and more traditional viewing habits but make up something like 25/30% of moviegoers. So the bean counters are skewing movies toward these audiences isn't shocking but rather than making content for these groups, they are taking mainstream fare, couching it in political terms, also taking traditional big-budget tent pole movies and attacking traditional demos is somewhat shocking.

RE: the Wachowskis, I think the reality is, they had an idea, that they had probably worked on for a decade, which hit just at the right moment and have forever been chasing that high. They are one trick ponies. They invented the Run-and-Shoot offense but guess what? Now everyone runs and defends what made the Run and Shoot special. It's no longer a Ritz, now its just a cracker.

his endings just suck, thats another trope. not all, but it happens enough that its a thing. he really needed Frank Darabont to take the series on and he even hinted at just that in the opening scene of The Mist.

for whatever reason that never happened or it was just a silly easter egg, but Darabont was the right guy at the right time. now its been ruined because somebody dropped a "how about Idris Elba" at the exec meeting and now the franchise is destroyed.

Arbitrary · Dec 27, 2021

Chukzombi said:
his endings just suck, thats another trope. not all, but it happens enough that its a thing. he really needed Frank Darabont to take the series on and he even hinted at just that in the opening scene of The Mist.

for whatever reason that never happened or it was just a silly easter egg, but Darabont was the right guy at the right time. now its been ruined because somebody dropped a "how about Idris Elba" at the exec meeting and now the franchise is destroyed.

THE MOVIE IS THE LAST TIME AROUND TWEETED BY KING HIMSELF LAST TIME AROUND

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Ossoi · Dec 27, 2021

TheNozz said:
I heard about him and his relationship with a bdsm dominatrix way back before the trans thing started

not the gory details, but I was aware he was dating a dominatrix

the story seems entirely plausible

It's well known and well documented.

BoozeCube is just salty because he is actually the aforementioned Buck Angel, ftm transsexual porn star and first husband to Mistress Strix who got cucked by Lana

Lendarios · Dec 27, 2021

Ambiturner said:
Everything you said, again, is wrong and stupid. Batman, James Bond, and Superman aren't tied to any actors as they've existed long before their movies, and they're all playing the exact same characters so no torch passing. Star Trek, again, they're the exact same characters so it's obvious you don't even understand the concept of passing the torch.

Creed is probably the closest, but is a spinoff since they actually changed the title and didn't name the movies "Rocky 6: Creed" or other bullshit. If you want to change the title completely and not claim its something its not then that's absolutely fine.

You are so fucking stupid that you think there is a literal torch involved.

Even the og spok was on the first star trek with the new cast.

Ambiturner · Dec 27, 2021

Lendarios said:
You are so fucking stupid that you think there is a literal torch involved.

Even the og spok was on the first star trek with the new cast.

Passing the torch is both characters are in a movie and an older generation gets replaced with future generation. You gave a bunch of examples of the exact same character being played by different actors.

You are once again out of your depth and have no idea what you're talking about.

Lendarios · Dec 27, 2021

Ambiturner said:
Passing the torch is both characters are in a movie and an older generation gets replaced with future generation. You gave a bunch of examples of the exact same character being played by different actors.

You are once again out of your depth and have no idea what you're talking about.

It is not the only way. Also when the old actor does a small part on a unrelated role it is also a passing of the torch.

You are definitely being "cop dumb" right now.. stop.

Ambiturner · Dec 27, 2021

Lendarios said:
It is not the only way. Also when the old actor does a small part on a unrelated role it is also a passing of the torch.

You are definitely being "cop dumb" right now.. stop.

Usually when people are wrong as often as you, they see a pattern and think to themselves "I am an idiot, maybe I'm wrong like the millions of other times"

Not you, though. You're literally to dumb to know you're dumb

Lendarios · Dec 27, 2021

Ambiturner said:
Usually when people are wrong as often as you, they see a pattern and think to themselves "I am an idiot, maybe I'm wrong like the millions of other times"

Not you, though. You're literally to dumb to know you're dumb

The Five Best “Passing of the Torch” Moments in Movies - TVovermind

It's called 'passing the torch' and it's an important part of show business and life to be fair since it indicates that those that have paved the way feel confident that those that are coming in their wake are ready to take on the responsibility they've kept for so long. Some folk might think it's

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stop being cop stupid please.

Also by the way it is used on the context when a retiring action star acknowledges the new up and coming star

There are lot of variations to the trope.

HOWEVER THE POINT WAS THAT THE MATRIX 4 DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THIS.

Ambiturner · Dec 27, 2021

Lendarios said:
The Five Best “Passing of the Torch” Moments in Movies - TVovermind

It's called 'passing the torch' and it's an important part of show business and life to be fair since it indicates that those that have paved the way feel confident that those that are coming in their wake are ready to take on the responsibility they've kept for so long. Some folk might think it's

tvovermind.com

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stop being cop stupid please.

Also by the way it is used on the context when a retiring action star acknowledges the new up and coming star

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There are lot of variations to the trope.

HOWEVER THE POINT WAS THAT THE MATRIX 4 DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THIS.

lol this faggot tries to link some buzzfeed shit and ends up making my point for me.

Lendarios · Dec 27, 2021

Ambiturner said:
lol this faggot tries to link some buzzfeed shit and ends up making my point for me.

You are so dumb that you are the posterboy for police reform. Meter maid dumb.

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