The Matrix Resurrections (2021)

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Chukzombi

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The Long Walk was if the Running Man and Hunger Games had an incest baby.

lol, the end was so harsh.

I had forgotten some of the bits of the Running Man until reading Chuk's post. FreeVee plus locked up books has a lot of parallels even today. You can have corporate newspeak for free. We'll even give you the television. A library card? For someone of your class? I don't think so.

In the "boy this guy used to write some dangerous shit" category can't forget Road Work. A dude's home is being foreclosed upon for a highway and he chooses to make the news instead. Young cocaine fueled Stephen King was pretty based tbh.
Road Work was my favorite next to Running Man. his inner monologue on that story was very rational and IMO it probably was the inspiration for Falling Down.

i didnt like Rage all that much, it was a litte too crazy hippy for my taste. and for some reason Thinner they actually got a lot of it right in the movie. like if you ever had a loved one die from cancer, dont ever fucking watch that movie because youll think of it for the rest of your life.
 
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lol, the end was so harsh.


Road Work was my favorite next to Running Man. his inner monologue on that story was very rational and IMO it probably was the inspiration for Falling Down.

i didnt like Rage all that much, it was a litte too crazy hippy for my taste. and for some reason Thinner they actually got a lot of it right in the movie. like if you ever had a loved one die from cancer, dont ever fucking watch that movie because youll think of it for the rest of your life.

I liked Rage a ton the first time and then reread it and just had no time for it. I'll have to revisit The Bachman Books in the new year. I've read The Long Walk a bunch of times (and can't wait for the Frank Darabont adaptation to actually get made) but the others were more of a one and done. I've probably listened to Different Seasons half a dozen times.
 
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Chukzombi

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I had forgotten some of the bits of the Running Man until reading Chuk's post. FreeVee plus locked up books has a lot of parallels even today. You can have corporate newspeak for free. We'll even give you the television. A library card? For someone of your class? I don't think so.

In the "boy this guy used to write some dangerous shit" category can't forget Road Work. A dude's home is being foreclosed upon for a highway and he chooses to make the news instead. Young cocaine fueled Stephen King was pretty based tbh.
i checked the wiki for Running Man and check out this shit. i blanked on the time this is set in

In 2025, the world's economy is in shambles and America has become a totalitarian dystopia. 28-year-old Ben Richards, an impoverished resident of the fictional Co-Op City, is unable to find work, having been blacklisted from his trade.

then i saw this line and it made me laugh.
A new film adaptation of the novel is in development with Edgar Wright directing and Michael Bacall penning the screenplay.[1]

i wont hold my breath on that one
 
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I explained to the wife why this movie was a clusterfuck and I mentioned something to her that I did not mentioned here.
For as much as we hate the new star wars and the new Indiana Jones movies, they tried to do something that it is 100% necessary when dealing with long running stories... you have to pass the torch to the new generation of actors/cinema viewers. Actors are not going to stay young forever and they will not be able to act the parts in a credible manner. The Xman series had the correct idea with the actual death of the characters in the Last wolverine, you have to let go of that incarnation of actor/character.
You have two choices, one is the bond/spiderman/superman/batman option in where you cast a new actor on a new story and you pretend the old one never existed. That is one way of moving forward to a new generation, the other way is how star wars/wolverine/Indiana Jones where the old actor passes the torch to the new one. In both a figurative and sometimes quite literal manner using artifacts from the universe.
Both are needed because actors age, even if they are willing to play the old part, they simply can not.

Keanu and Trinity are 57 and 54. It is utter ridiculous to have the expectations of them performing physically as they did 20 years ago.
The M4 movie failed to do any of those two things. It did not passed the torch to a new generation, storywise it is at the same spot at the end of M1... but instead of having a hot as fuck trinity at 32 and a fit, athletic Keanu at 34sh, instead we have 2 geriatric actors doing stunts... in a movie where stunts are very important.

This is probably the biggest letdown of M4, from a practical standpoint. Taking away all the tranbullshit and social commentary, the Lana guy failed to transition to a new generation. What is he going to do when Keanu turn 60... what kind of pressure he is putting on Trinity by requiring her to stay physically attractive at that age.

He should have killed Neo again and reincarnate him in a new body actor and have that be the next generation plot line, and it would have been 100% matrix canon.. after all this is the Seventh Neo that existed.

Fuck man, make it like the avatar series where the new neo can see memories and speak with his predecessors and that way you can tie Keanu back and pass the torch that way. That would have been badass , have Keanu on the new Neos mind, guiding him and training him until he is ready. Fuck even put the old agent Smith on his mind as well as a throwback or as a way of creating conflict in his head.


Boom instant hit both old and new generation can enjoy and you can do a proper passing of the torch.
 
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I only meant money, geez. So many of those movies were for-hire cash grab pure garbo "flicks". Raw Deal? Check. Red Heat? Check. Over the Top? Check. And by check, I mean the checks they were cashing and the money they were raking in; not the artistic quality of the movies.

The fucking Bachman books, though. All of those listed are stone cold awesome. I was always kind of meh on Rage but maybe I don't remember it well. I lost my original copy in one of the floods. What a shame. Was Thinner a Bachman Book story or its own novel?
i dunno if he means bombs as in bad movies, or movies that didnt make money. arnold made a few bad movies in his "prime", but they still made money. i really didnt like Raw Deal. i loved me some 80s Ahnuld, but i wasnt feeling it in that one. The Running Man isnt really a good movie, its funny as fuck, though. if you read the book it was based off of, then pissed you the fuck off too. the 80s was really the only time in the last 30 years where a correct adaption of that story could have been made. Arbitrary Arbitrary what are the odds of a true adaption of The Running Man ever being made in our lifetime? or Rage? or The Long Walk? or Roadwork?
lol, the end was so harsh.


Road Work was my favorite next to Running Man. his inner monologue on that story was very rational and IMO it probably was the inspiration for Falling Down.

i didnt like Rage all that much, it was a litte too crazy hippy for my taste. and for some reason Thinner they actually got a lot of it right in the movie. like if you ever had a loved one die from cancer, dont ever fucking watch that movie because youll think of it for the rest of your life.
 

Chukzombi

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I only meant money, geez. So many of those movies were for-hire cash grab pure garbo "flicks". Raw Deal? Check. Red Heat? Check. Over the Top? Check. And by check, I mean the checks they were cashing and the money they were raking in; not the artistic quality of the movies.

The fucking Bachman books, though. All of those listed are stone cold awesome. I was always kind of meh on Rage but maybe I don't remember it well. I lost my original copy in one of the floods. What a shame. Was Thinner a Bachman Book story or its own novel?
i could be wrong, but there was a time where i thought i saw all 5 stories being sold together. there is a 6th one called Blaze, which i think i did read a reworked version years later about a retard who kidnaps a kid or something. it was shit, even the reworked version. then he did a joke Bachman book called The Regulators, which is pure silly Stephen King from the 90s. its not bad, ive read it a number of times, but its not the "dangerous" kind of book that the others were.
 
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Honestly, had the action sequences not been filmed by what looked like the SyFy channel, this wouldn't have been that bad. At least as good as 2 and definitely better than 3. Obviously nothing is going to compare to the original, but nothing ever could. "Bullet time" and the jaw-dropping effects it had were something that was only going to happen once. Once 2 and 3 came around, it was old hat. Now, 22 years later, it has been done about 3000 times in various movies since, so it really lost every bit of, "OMG SO KEWL!!" it had left. Then you throw in cinematography that looks like it was a TV show on the USA network and the movie just has absolutely no "style/character". Something as simple as having a green tint in the original made such a massive difference in "style".

Additionally, the editing was horrid as well. Scenes don't flow together very well, lots of time is wasted on shit that doesn't matter, etc. It's some of the same problems that 2 and 3 had, but even worse in this.

Had they cleaned up the action scenes to make them look like an actual Hollywood quality film and had they gotten Hugo and Fishburne back, this probably would've been a pretty decent movie. As it is though, it's pretty below average. I wouldn't put it in "trash" tier, since I totally expected them to go full "woke" with Trinity (it turns out that The One is actually The Two - which is honestly fairly internally consistent), but it isn't that good.
 
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I explained to the wife why this movie was a clusterfuck and I mentioned something to her that I did not mentioned here.
For as much as we hate the new star wars and the new Indiana Jones movies, they tried to do something that it is 100% necessary when dealing with long running stories... you have to pass the torch to the new generation of actors/cinema viewers. Actors are not going to stay young forever and they will not be able to act the parts in a credible manner. The Xman series had the correct idea with the actual death of the characters in the Last wolverine, you have to let go of that incarnation of actor/character.
You have two choices, one is the bond/spiderman/superman/batman option in where you cast a new actor on a new story and you pretend the old one never existed. That is one way of moving forward to a new generation, the other way is how star wars/wolverine/Indiana Jones where the old actor passes the torch to the new one. In both a figurative and sometimes quite literal manner using artifacts from the universe.
Both are needed because actors age, even if they are willing to play the old part, they simply can not.

Keanu and Trinity are 57 and 54. It is utter ridiculous to have the expectations of them performing physically as they did 20 years ago.
The M4 movie failed to do any of those two things. It did not passed the torch to a new generation, storywise it is at the same spot at the end of M1... but instead of having a hot as fuck trinity at 32 and a fit, athletic Keanu at 34sh, instead we have 2 geriatric actors doing stunts... in a movie where stunts are very important.

This is probably the biggest letdown of M4, from a practical standpoint. Taking away all the tranbullshit and social commentary, the Lana guy failed to transition to a new generation. What is he going to do when Keanu turn 60... what kind of pressure he is putting on Trinity by requiring her to stay physically attractive at that age.

He should have killed Neo again and reincarnate him in a new body actor and have that be the next generation plot line, and it would have been 100% matrix canon.. after all this is the Seventh Neo that existed.

Fuck man, make it like the avatar series where the new neo can see memories and speak with his predecessors and that way you can tie Keanu back and pass the torch that way. That would have been badass , have Keanu on the new Neos mind, guiding him and training him until he is ready. Fuck even put the old agent Smith on his mind as well as a throwback or as a way of creating conflict in his head.


Boom instant hit both old and new generation can enjoy and you can do a proper passing of the torch.
Jokes on you. they are going to try and pioneer digital actors. Keanu is going to be 57 in films for the next 200 years.
 
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I explained to the wife why this movie was a clusterfuck and I mentioned something to her that I did not mentioned here.
For as much as we hate the new star wars and the new Indiana Jones movies, they tried to do something that it is 100% necessary when dealing with long running stories... you have to pass the torch to the new generation of actors/cinema viewers. Actors are not going to stay young forever and they will not be able to act the parts in a credible manner. The Xman series had the correct idea with the actual death of the characters in the Last wolverine, you have to let go of that incarnation of actor/character.
You have two choices, one is the bond/spiderman/superman/batman option in where you cast a new actor on a new story and you pretend the old one never existed. That is one way of moving forward to a new generation, the other way is how star wars/wolverine/Indiana Jones where the old actor passes the torch to the new one. In both a figurative and sometimes quite literal manner using artifacts from the universe.
Both are needed because actors age, even if they are willing to play the old part, they simply can not.

Keanu and Trinity are 57 and 54. It is utter ridiculous to have the expectations of them performing physically as they did 20 years ago.
The M4 movie failed to do any of those two things. It did not passed the torch to a new generation, storywise it is at the same spot at the end of M1... but instead of having a hot as fuck trinity at 32 and a fit, athletic Keanu at 34sh, instead we have 2 geriatric actors doing stunts... in a movie where stunts are very important.

This is probably the biggest letdown of M4, from a practical standpoint. Taking away all the tranbullshit and social commentary, the Lana guy failed to transition to a new generation. What is he going to do when Keanu turn 60... what kind of pressure he is putting on Trinity by requiring her to stay physically attractive at that age.

He should have killed Neo again and reincarnate him in a new body actor and have that be the next generation plot line, and it would have been 100% matrix canon.. after all this is the Seventh Neo that existed.

Fuck man, make it like the avatar series where the new neo can see memories and speak with his predecessors and that way you can tie Keanu back and pass the torch that way. That would have been badass , have Keanu on the new Neos mind, guiding him and training him until he is ready. Fuck even put the old agent Smith on his mind as well as a throwback or as a way of creating conflict in his head.


Boom instant hit both old and new generation can enjoy and you can do a proper passing of the torch.

This is a shitty retarded take. Passing the torch bullshit is stupid and never works. Nobody wants to watch a Rambo movie with a new fucking Rambo. When the focal point of a franchise is done, the franchise is done.

How are you always on the tip of the spear of dumb shit?
 
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This is a shitty retarded take. Passing the torch bullshit is stupid and never works. Nobody wants to watch a Rambo movie with a new fucking Rambo. When the focal point of a franchise is done, the franchise is done.

How are you always on the tip of the spear of dumb shit?

Of course it works. Like I said there are two ways.. one is you ignore the previous actor altogether like EVERY SINGLE BATMAN MOVIE/JAMES BOND/SUPERMAN MOVIE, and choose someone new an you go from there. Or you have the main character die or transition to another role and a new character takes the mantle of the Hero.

It does work. not all the times, but it does work, IE.

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This is passing of the torch in a successful matter.
Another example
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But there are also lots of failure at this... Like indiana jones... But you have to try.
 
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Hollywood just doesn't have any new original ideas is what it is. MCU is red hot right now and even THAT is still borrowing material from the source material: the original comics from the 60's 70's 80's 90's

Everything is retro right now. Just look at toys... so many "reboots" of toy lines that we grew up with too!
 

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Of course it works. Like I said there are two ways.. one is you ignore the previous actor altogether like EVERY SINGLE BATMAN MOVIE/JAMES BOND/SUPERMAN MOVIE, and choose someone new an you go from there. Or you have the main character die or transition to another role and a new character takes the mantle of the Hero.

It does work. not all the times, but it does work, IE.

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This is passing of the torch in a successful matter.
Another example
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But there are also lots of failure at this... Like indiana jones... But you have to try.

Everything you said, again, is wrong and stupid. Batman, James Bond, and Superman aren't tied to any actors as they've existed long before their movies, and they're all playing the exact same characters so no torch passing. Star Trek, again, they're the exact same characters so it's obvious you don't even understand the concept of passing the torch.

Creed is probably the closest, but is a spinoff since they actually changed the title and didn't name the movies "Rocky 6: Creed" or other bullshit. If you want to change the title completely and not claim its something its not then that's absolutely fine.
 
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Everything you said, again, is wrong and stupid. Batman, James Bond, and Superman aren't tied to any actors as they've existed long before their movies, and they're all playing the exact same characters so no torch passing. Star Trek, again, they're the exact same characters so it's obvious you don't even understand the concept of passing the torch.

Creed is probably the closest, but is a spinoff since they actually changed the title and didn't name the movies "Rocky 6: Creed" or other bullshit. If you want to change the title completely and not claim its something its not then that's absolutely fine.
They tried this shit and when people absolutely demolished it, they stopped. Now they do "soft reboots" where basically they remake a movie but in the same continuity and change a few things and keep the original characters around: TFA, the new Star Trek, Creed, Jurassic Kingdom, etc.

i could be wrong, but there was a time where i thought i saw all 5 stories being sold together. there is a 6th one called Blaze, which i think i did read a reworked version years later about a retard who kidnaps a kid or something. it was shit, even the reworked version. then he did a joke Bachman book called The Regulators, which is pure silly Stephen King from the 90s. its not bad, ive read it a number of times, but its not the "dangerous" kind of book that the others were.

People forget how good 70's/80's King was, and not what he has become today.
 
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They tried this shit and when people absolutely demolished it, they stopped. Now they do "soft reboots" where basically they remake a movie but in the same continuity and change a few things and keep the original characters around: TFA, the new Star Trek, Creed, Jurassic Kingdom, etc.



People forget how good 70's/80's King was, and not what he has become today.
i cant bring myself to read his latest stuff anymore. he should have retired 10 years ago. but he still has some decent ideas every now and then. though my god he borrows so heavily from his own tropes its mega obvious every time he uses them. writer protagonist, check, sage black person, check, hyper religious nutcase, check. super racist evil redneck in charge, check. incredibly savvy kids. check check. some weird pedo incest shit. yeah. 70s and 80s was the golden age, then it was only sometimes in the 90s and then hardly at all afterward.
 
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Larry Wachowski was married to his wife Thea for about eight years; then, after The Matrix came out, his behavior abruptly changed. He descended into the sexual underbelly of LA, first as a fanatical new devotee to BDSM, and, later, as a transvestite and then (it is rumored) as a full-blown transsexual. Comments made concerning an earlier film, Bound, would seem to imply that this was a long-term preoccupation of Larry's and, indeed, is treated as such by many fans.

However, the truth is a bit stranger. Ilsa Strix, the woman who is generally acknowledged to have introduced Larry to BDSM, actually was a relative latecomer to his BDSM phase and was primarily a love interest, not a guide. What she did introduce him to was intramuscularly-injected ketamine.

Ketamine is widely known as a "party drug," generally as a poor substitute for ecstasy. But ketamine is neither a stimulant nor a psychedelic, strictly speaking; it is a dissociative anaesthetic, far more similar to dextromethorphan hydrobromide (DXM, in 'Tussin) and PCP than to ecstasy, mushrooms, LSD, et cetera. As "party drug" people are usually wary of needles, they tend to snort ketamine. People tending to enjoy more, ah, intense drug experiences may inject it into a muscle.

Ketamine, injected into muscle, triggers an extremely intense dreamlike state that lasts for days (according to the injectee) or ten minutes (according to consensual reality). The injectee is otherwise unconscious during this time.

It is believed that Ilsa Strix (professional Dominatrix, ex-wife of Buck Angel, for whom you probably do not want to do a Google Image Search) introduced Larry Wachowski to an experiment she had conceived of while watching the film Altered States; what if ketamine intoxication could be combined with the endorphin and psychological rushes resulting from painful domination and sex? A typical session consisted of a long period (sometimes hours) of degradation, beatings and "confusion play" at the hands of Buck Angel, followed by prolonged whipping and prolonged orgasm denial, and then a sudden injection of ketamine at orgasm.

As one might imagine, this had a hell of an effect.

What no one could predict was the immense amount of power that Ilsa Strix would thereafter exercise over Larry Wachowski and, thus, the Wachowski Brothers as a pair. As Larry became more and more fixated on Ilsa and her play, she began transitioning their private relationship into a more public role. Private humiliation turned into public humiliation, with the tall, formerly burly Wachowski forced into increasingly effeminate costumes for degrading public display.

It is thought that, at this time, Ilsa Strix guided the drug-addled, traumatized Larry Wachowski to alter the Matrix epic (originally intended to be an HBO original series, with a theatrical pilot) into a trilogy with the second and third films shot simultaneously á la Back to the Future. Andy Wachowski, who had been in favor of keeping the series theatrical (although he disliked the confinements of the trilogy format) saw a theatrical trilogy as a valid compromise.

The storyline that the brothers had thought out was greatly compressed, and Ilsa Strix's ideas were added (the Twins and the Zion Orgy thing, for instance, but also the recommendation of the incomparable Monica Bellucci). Much of the ambiguity of the first film was discarded and a more conventional Christ mythology was adopted; it is believed that the obvious archetypal interactions of the first film were what Neo was truly trying to destroy -- essentially freeing humanity's minds so that its asses would follow.

In short, the Wachowski Brothers originally intended to present The Matrix series as an allegory of mankind overcoming its genetic predispositions to certain shared narratives (monomyths) that Larry and Andy considered harmful. Instead, the trilogy ended up as just another exercise of those monomyths.

Whatever the outcome of that experiment, the Wachowski Brothers have since shown no signs of fulfilling their early promise. The affair is rumored to have greatly weakened the brothers' abilities to work together, and their "collaborations" since have essentially been for show, more akin to McCartney and Lennon's "collaborations" than a truly shared affair.
 
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Larry Wachowski was married to his wife Thea for about eight years; then, after The Matrix came out, his behavior abruptly changed. He descended into the sexual underbelly of LA, first as a fanatical new devotee to BDSM, and, later, as a transvestite and then (it is rumored) as a full-blown transsexual. Comments made concerning an earlier film, Bound, would seem to imply that this was a long-term preoccupation of Larry's and, indeed, is treated as such by many fans.

However, the truth is a bit stranger. Ilsa Strix, the woman who is generally acknowledged to have introduced Larry to BDSM, actually was a relative latecomer to his BDSM phase and was primarily a love interest, not a guide. What she did introduce him to was intramuscularly-injected ketamine.

Ketamine is widely known as a "party drug," generally as a poor substitute for ecstasy. But ketamine is neither a stimulant nor a psychedelic, strictly speaking; it is a dissociative anaesthetic, far more similar to dextromethorphan hydrobromide (DXM, in 'Tussin) and PCP than to ecstasy, mushrooms, LSD, et cetera. As "party drug" people are usually wary of needles, they tend to snort ketamine. People tending to enjoy more, ah, intense drug experiences may inject it into a muscle.

Ketamine, injected into muscle, triggers an extremely intense dreamlike state that lasts for days (according to the injectee) or ten minutes (according to consensual reality). The injectee is otherwise unconscious during this time.

It is believed that Ilsa Strix (professional Dominatrix, ex-wife of Buck Angel, for whom you probably do not want to do a Google Image Search) introduced Larry Wachowski to an experiment she had conceived of while watching the film Altered States; what if ketamine intoxication could be combined with the endorphin and psychological rushes resulting from painful domination and sex? A typical session consisted of a long period (sometimes hours) of degradation, beatings and "confusion play" at the hands of Buck Angel, followed by prolonged whipping and prolonged orgasm denial, and then a sudden injection of ketamine at orgasm.

As one might imagine, this had a hell of an effect.

What no one could predict was the immense amount of power that Ilsa Strix would thereafter exercise over Larry Wachowski and, thus, the Wachowski Brothers as a pair. As Larry became more and more fixated on Ilsa and her play, she began transitioning their private relationship into a more public role. Private humiliation turned into public humiliation, with the tall, formerly burly Wachowski forced into increasingly effeminate costumes for degrading public display.

It is thought that, at this time, Ilsa Strix guided the drug-addled, traumatized Larry Wachowski to alter the Matrix epic (originally intended to be an HBO original series, with a theatrical pilot) into a trilogy with the second and third films shot simultaneously á la Back to the Future. Andy Wachowski, who had been in favor of keeping the series theatrical (although he disliked the confinements of the trilogy format) saw a theatrical trilogy as a valid compromise.

The storyline that the brothers had thought out was greatly compressed, and Ilsa Strix's ideas were added (the Twins and the Zion Orgy thing, for instance, but also the recommendation of the incomparable Monica Bellucci). Much of the ambiguity of the first film was discarded and a more conventional Christ mythology was adopted; it is believed that the obvious archetypal interactions of the first film were what Neo was truly trying to destroy -- essentially freeing humanity's minds so that its asses would follow.

In short, the Wachowski Brothers originally intended to present The Matrix series as an allegory of mankind overcoming its genetic predispositions to certain shared narratives (monomyths) that Larry and Andy considered harmful. Instead, the trilogy ended up as just another exercise of those monomyths.

Whatever the outcome of that experiment, the Wachowski Brothers have since shown no signs of fulfilling their early promise. The affair is rumored to have greatly weakened the brothers' abilities to work together, and their "collaborations" since have essentially been for show, more akin to McCartney and Lennon's "collaborations" than a truly shared affair.
cool story, bruh, but both chopped their dicks off.
 
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