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Strifen

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If even 20% of the internet using populace went the info-flooding route, I'm sure their Xkeyscore jimmies would be rustled something fierce.

You can only have so much storage.

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I wouldn't be too sure of that, William Benney said in a Q and A that the new Utah Data Center would be able to store the worlds text based communications for the next 100 years.

The NSA Is Building the Country's Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say - Wired)

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Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world's communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails-parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital "pocket litter." It is, in some measure, the realization of the "total information awareness" program created during the first term of the Bush administration-an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans' privacy.

In the process-and for the first time since Watergate and the other scandals of the Nixon administration-the NSA has turned its surveillance apparatus on the US and its citizens. It has established listening posts throughout the nation to collect and sift through billions of email messages and phone calls, whether they originate within the country or overseas. It has created a supercomputer of almost unimaginable speed to look for patterns and unscramble codes. Finally, the agency has begun building a place to store all the trillions of words and thoughts and whispers captured in its electronic net. And, of course, it's all being done in secret. To those on the inside, the old adage that NSA stands for Never Say Anything applies more than ever.
 
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Is this really a good justification for mass surveillance of the population? The FBI plays a huge role in creating these foiled terror plots in the first place, they lead these people along the way but bust them before they actually follow through with it.

Terroist Plots Helped Along by the FBI - NY Times
I don't see the problem here ? That's how stings work. Hell, years back I worked as a pharmacy tech to pay my way through college. Dude came in with a forged RX. We called the doc, confirmed it was forged, and filled the prescription. We called 911 and sold him the drugs. Once he paid and left, cops were outside the door waiting. That doesn't mean we "enabled" him. But to make an air-tight case, you gotta catch them in the act.

Most of these guys were reaching out for someone to help them carry out these attacks. I'd rather they find the feds than the real bad guys. You can't really find proof that these stings actually keep us safer, but the fact that it's hard for me to think of really successful attacks on American soil in the 12 years or so after 9/11, despite us pissing off the entire extremist Muslim world, suggests to me that the government is doing a decent job.
 

Woolygimp

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Rand isn't my congressman but I wrote him an e-mail last week after the resolution curbing NSA phone surveillance funding was narrowly defeated, and got this response:

August 12, 2013



Dear Mr. XXXX,



Thank you for taking the time to contact me with your kind words of support and encouragement.

I took the oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States with great pride and it was a very important moment for me. I understand the gravity of the responsibility I have been entrusted with; I acknowledge the tremendous amount of work there is to undertake. I am quite optimistic about what can be accomplished and look forward to empowering the American people through legislative action.



Sincerely,

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Rand Paul, MD
United States Senator
This man needs wins the presidential nomination in 2016.
 

Woolygimp

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I don't see the problem here ? That's how stings work. Hell, years back I worked as a pharmacy tech to pay my way through college. Dude came in with a forged RX. We called the doc, confirmed it was forged, and filled the prescription. We called 911 and sold him the drugs. Once he paid and left, cops were outside the door waiting. That doesn't mean we "enabled" him. But to make an air-tight case, you gotta catch them in the act.

Most of these guys were reaching out for someone to help them carry out these attacks. I'd rather they find the feds than the real bad guys. You can't really find proof that these stings actually keep us safer, but the fact that it's hard for me to think of really successful attacks on American soil in the 12 years or so after 9/11, despite us pissing off the entire extremist Muslim world, suggests to me that the government is doing a decent job.
I know a girl who forged prescriptions for years and was caught recently. It happened exactly like this. She turned in the prescription, the tech asked her to wait for about thirty minutes and then filled it. When she walked outside there were several officers waiting to bust her.

The question is how this would've turned out had she used a drive-thru? Drive-thrus are incredibly busy and this process usually takes 15-30 minutes (to call physician and then the police, and then wait for those police to arrive). And she probably would've noticed police pull into the parking lot and then pulled off before obtaining the illegal medications. Just something I was thinking about, not that I ever plan to do this kind of thing or aid someone in breaking the law.
 

Torrid

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Yeah I saw that earlier on tv as I was passing by. Did someone think that the contents of your emails were private? They've been doing the data mining and targeted advertising for many, many years. Basically ever since gmail was a thing. Who cares? You sign up to use their free service, they target advertising to you. It seems like there is a pretty obvious solution if you have a problem with the practice.
There is a difference between algorithms scanning keywords in email to better select the ads to deliver, and algorithms scanning email for keywords to determine weather or not a human is going to read it or if it should be archived in a database somewhere. Furthermore Google tells users they are doing that; (and it's just obvious) the government does it in secret. You can't opt out of the government's scans, but you can opt out of Google's by paying a service like lavabit to be your provider instead. (and likewise duckduckgo for searches)

Google doesn't bother me. I can easily evade their tracking or simply not use their services.
 

W4RH34D_sl

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There is a difference between algorithms scanning keywords in email to better select the ads to deliver, and algorithms scanning email for keywords to determine weather or not a human is going to read it or if it should be archived in a database somewhere. Furthermore Google tells users they are doing that; (and it's just obvious) the government does it in secret. You can't opt out of the government's scans, but you can opt out of Google's by paying a service like lavabit to be your provider instead. (and likewise duckduckgo for searches)

Google doesn't bother me. I can easily evade their tracking or simply not use their services.
So how come the gov hasn't gone after small businesses that use open source server software for their own email and traffic? Kinda weird how if you have an actual use for such equipment you get left alone.
 

chaos

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Rand isn't my congressman but I wrote him an e-mail last week after the resolution curbing NSA phone surveillance funding was narrowly defeated, and got this response:



This man needs wins the presidential nomination in 2016.
You're smoking crack.
 

chaos

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There is a difference between algorithms scanning keywords in email to better select the ads to deliver, and algorithms scanning email for keywords to determine weather or not a human is going to read it or if it should be archived in a database somewhere. Furthermore Google tells users they are doing that; (and it's just obvious) the government does it in secret. You can't opt out of the government's scans, but you can opt out of Google's by paying a service like lavabit to be your provider instead. (and likewise duckduckgo for searches)

Google doesn't bother me. I can easily evade their tracking or simply not use their services.
My understanding is that they were referencing their targeted ad services, not government encroachment. If that was your concern, again, you really can't do anything to stop the government from seeing your email. Even lavabit, which no longer exists, sent email in the clear, it was only encrypting data-at-rest.
 

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NSA broke privacy rules thousands of times per year, audit finds

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Torrid

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My understanding is that they were referencing their targeted ad services, not government encroachment. If that was your concern, again, you really can't do anything to stop the government from seeing your email. Even lavabit, which no longer exists, sent email in the clear, it was only encrypting data-at-rest.
I know that. I said you can opt out ofGooglescanning your email by using something like Lavabit.

Incidentally Lavabit's main selling point was that they encrypted user email with keys that included the customer's password, so even Lavabit themselves could not read customer email without it. Of course the feds can still get them via DPI as they are sent to Lavabit, but if the NSA is doing what they CLAIM to be doing and only looking at foreign communications, then it puts up another roadblock for them if you use Lavabit for domestic communications and they seize the servers. (which is why they forced it offline) Of course people like Snowden PGP their email because the protocol is insecure. (time to replace it FFS)
 

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Angela Merkel launches re-election bid amid cacophony of spying scandal
German voter outrage over revelations from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden remains unknown quantity in September poll


"Merkel stop watching us" screamed a banner above a noisy group of protesters which forced Angela Merkel to raise her voice as she launched her election campaign.

Barely concealing her irritation, the German chancellor struggled to drown out honking vuvuzelas, and chants of "hypocrite" and "liar", with promises of more of the same from a third term at the helm of Europe's biggest economy - jobs, stability and stronger growth.

But Germans want reassurance on a different front. Whistleblower Edward Snowden's revelations have plunged privacy-conscious Germany into convulsive outrage. Distrust of the government's handling of the surveillance scandal is as high as ever - and threatens to damage Merkel's re-election bid.

Despite dominating opinion polls, she knows voter anger may yet bring nasty surprises in September's poll which she warned could be "very, very close". Her government is mounting an effort to take back control and put a lid on the scandal.

"All suspicions which have been raised have been dispelled," the German interior minister, Hans-Peter Friedrich, told the Rheinische Post, referring to a government assertion this week that it had been reassured that Britain and US agencies "had observed German laws in Germany".

But critics remained sceptical, pointing out that observing German laws on German soil would not stop foreign agencies accessing German online communication data transferred to the US-based servers of Google, Facebook or Microsoft.
 

W4RH34D_sl

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I remember the days when presidents were impeached for breaking in hotels.
But when you break in to everyone's email you get a nobel prize. Noice.
 

fanaskin

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Udall, Wyden Issue Statement on Reports of Compliance Violations Made Under NSA Collection Programs

Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Senators Mark Udall and Ron Wyden, who serve on the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, issued the following statement regarding reports that the NSA has violated rules intended to protect Americans' privacy rights:

"The executive branch has now confirmed that the rules, regulations and court-imposed standards for protecting the privacy of Americans have been violated thousands of times each year. We have previously said that the violations of these laws and rules were more serious than had been acknowledged, andwe believe Americans should know that this confirmation is just the tip of a larger iceberg.

"While Senate rules prohibit us from confirming or denying some of the details in today's press reports, the American people have a right to know more details about the scope and severity of these violations, and we hope that the executive branch will take steps to publicly provide more information as part of the honest, public debate of surveillance authorities that the Administration has said it is interested in having.

"In particular, we believe the public deserves to know more about the violations of the secret court orders that have authorized the bulk collection of Americans' phone and email records under the USA PATRIOT Act.The public should also be told more about why the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has said that the executive branch's implementation of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act has circumvented the spirit of the law, particularly since the executive branch has declined to address this concern.

"We appreciate the candor of the chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court regarding the court's inability to independently verify statements made by the executive branch.We believe that the court is not currently structured in a way that makes it an effective check on the power of the executive branch. This highlights the need for a robust and well-staffed public advocate who could participate in significant cases before the court and evaluate and counter government assertions. Without such an advocate on the court, and without greater transparency regarding the court's rulings, the checks and balances on executive branch authority enshrined in the Constitution cannot be adequately upheld."
 

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"I could be arrested for this action," Ladar Levison told NBC News about his decision to shut down his company, Lavabit LLC, in protest over a secret court order he had received from a federal court that is overseeing the investigation into Snowden.

Lavabit said he was barred by federal law from elaborating on the order or any of his communications with federal prosecutors. But a source familiar with the matter told NBC News that James Trump, a senior litigation counsel in the U.S. attorney?s office in Alexandria, Va., sent an email to Levison's lawyer last Thursday ? the day Lavabit was shuttered -- stating that Levison may have "violated the court order," a statement that was interpreted as a possible threat to charge Levison with contempt of court.
 

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Ladar Levison is a freedom fighter and a hero. Men like him, Snowden, andNicholas Merrillkeep this country from dissolving into what the founders rebelled against. Respect is due.

All the liberals who don't criticize Obama because 'he's our guy' can go fuck themselves.
 

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Ladar Levison is a freedom fighter and a hero.
All the liberals who don't criticize Obama because 'he's our guy' can go fuck themselves.
Is disgusting. And truth is if it was a Republican in the office 1/2 to 3/4 of the Republicans protesting Obama would be acting the same way as your silent libs . Partisanship is more important than country so we've totally fucked our future.