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Loser Araysar

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I'm over Obama. Guy is worse than Bush when it comes to civil rights. Fuck him.
 

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is chaos still sucking off Obama and the NSA? someone fill me in please
 

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Al Qaeda's embassy closing "conference call" exposed as "a fraudulent story for political purposes"

Dubious sources feed national-security reporter Eli Lake a fraudulent story for political purposes - once again
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Then a number of respected national-security journalists began to question the motives of the leakers, and to cast doubt on the story generally. Ken Dilanian of the Los Angeles Times suggested that the piece was intended to glorify the NSA's signals-intelligence capabilities. Barton Gellman of the Washington Post said there was something "very wrong" with the whole thing. New York magazine got in on the act by parodying the notion of an Al Qaeda conference call.

Despite this tide of doubt and ridicule, the Daily Beast didn't correct the story, though Lake and Rogin made statements that seemed designed to alter its meaning."We used 'conference call' because it was generic enough," Lake tweeted. "But it was not a telephone based communications." In another tweet he informed Ben Wedeman of CNN, "This may be a generational issue, but you can conduct conference calls without a telephone." (Actually, you can't, at least according to the dictionary. Moreover, the "Legion of Doom" source had specifically called it a "phone call.")

In a follow-up story published the day after the original article, Lake wrote that at the request of its sources, the Daily Beast was "withholding details about the technology al Qaeda used to conduct the conference call." The suggestion was that the story had omitted information to keep terrorists from knowing too much about U.S. intelligence operations. But as Dan Murphy of the Christian Science Monitor noted,"If a conference call of some sort took place, then the participants know full well how they did it. And the moment they see a news report that says the United States was listening in to the call, they're going to shut that means of communication down." Others wondered why, given the worldwide uproar about National Security Agency spying, Al Qaeda would risk gathering all of its top operatives for any form of simultaneous multiparty communication.

Lake's past is instructive here. He was an open and ardent promoter of the Iraq War and the various myths trotted out to justify it, contributing to the media drumbeat that helped the Bush Administration sell the war to the public and to Congress. He reported on Saddam Hussein's close ties to Al Qaeda and his stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, and he championed discredited con man Ahmed Chalabi, head of the CIA-backed Iraqi National Congress (INC), who promised that Iraqis would welcome U.S. troops "as liberators" and said there would be little chance of sectarian bloodshed after the invasion. Bogus INC material found its way into at least two of Lake's pieces, including a December 2001 National Review story in which he argued that, with the Taliban defeated in Afghanistan, the United States should consider military action against Iraq, Somalia, and Yemen. "There are very good arguments why all three should be the next target," he wrote. "Iraq after all has been developing nuclear and biological weapons in underground wells and hospitals, according to Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, a defector interviewed by the New York Times. One of the 9/11 hijackers, Mohammed Atta, met with Iraqi intelligence officers in Prague in April."

Even Dick Cheney later acknowledged that the latter story, which was trotted around endlessly by war advocates, had never been confirmed. And the New York Times report to which Lake was alluding, published the day before his piece came out, was written by Judith Miller, a serial fabricator whose reckless Iraq War reporting effectively ended her career as a respectable journalist.

As Jonathan Landay and Trish Wells of Knight Ridder reported a few years later in a look back at that period, the INC by its own admission gave "exaggerated and fabricated" pre-war intelligence to journalists to promote the invasion of Iraq. "Feeding the information to the news media, as well as to selected administration officials and members of Congress," Landay and Wells wrote, "helped foster an impression that there were multiple sources of intelligence on Iraq's illicit weapons programs and links to bin Laden. In fact, many of the allegations came from the same half-dozen defectors."

By 2004, even Chalabi and the Bush Administration had conceded that Saddam didn't have WMD stockpiles. "We are heroes in error," Chalabi told the Daily Telegraph. "As far as we're concerned we've been entirely successful. That tyrant Saddam is gone."

Yet for years, Lake continued to doggedly pursue his belief that Iraq had WMDs, writing pieces (again using questionable sources) claiming that Saddam had in fact possessed large quantities of these weapons, but that Russia had snuck them across the border into Syria on his behalf shortly before the U.S. invasion. In a 2006 piece for the New York Sun, he reported that David Gaubatz, a former special investigator for the Pentagon, said he'd found four sealed underground bunkers in Iraq "that he is sure contain stocks of chemical and biological weapons." But, Lake reported, when Gaubatz asked American weapons inspectors to look into them, he was "rebuffed."

Military authorities may have rebuffed Gaubatz because he showed signs of being unhinged. Two years after Lake's story appeared, Gaubatz wrote a now-scrubbed post about Obama at jihadishere.blogspot.com that read, "We are now on the verge of allowing a self admitted 'crack-head' to have his finger on every nuclear weapon in America." In 2009, he published a book entitled Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America.

In recent years, Lake has, using similarly tainted sources, continued his hunt for Saddam's WMDs and carried water for those seeking a hard-line American approach toward Iran. And now we have the Al Qaeda conference call.

Thus far no major media outlet has confirmed Lake and Rogin's story.U.S. officials told Bloomberg News that reports of a conference call were incorrect, while CNN reported that it had "learned that the al Qaeda leaders communicated via some kind of encrypted messaging system, with multiple points of entry to allow for various parties to join in," adding, "officials continue to insist . . . that there was no traditional conference call."

The thrust of Lake and Rogin's initial report - that Al Qaeda leaders got together to discuss strategy by phone - was false. The pair then effectively retracted the key element of their story by relabeling the call a "non-telephone communication" while failing to acknowledge the error or that at least one of their sources - the Legion of Doom quipster - was either ignorant of the facts or a liar. They even went on to claim that they'd been vindicated by the CNN report, which explicitly refuted their original account.

Lara Jakes and Adam Goldman at the Associated Press appear to have reported the embassy-closure story more accurately yesterday, also challenging the veracity of the Daily Beast article in the process.
The AP story said that the "vague plot" that led the U.S. government to shut down American diplomatic posts may have resulted from comments made by jihadists on encrypted Internet message boards and in chat rooms - which is nothing new - and that it was "highly unlikely" al-Zawahiri was personally part of the chatter or that he would "ever go online or pick up the phone to discuss terror plots."

But just as in the case of the raid that killed bin Laden, the bogus story was better than the truth. A less sensational story would not have provided fodder for John McCain's preposterous remarks on the renewed strength of Al Qaeda (or for the broader political exploitation of the story by the right), nor would it have provided political cover for the NSA, as Ken Dilanian put it.

No matter. The Daily Beast's sources must be pleased with their handiwork, and with the reporters who bought it.
 

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Widney Brown, Amnesty International's senior director of international law and policy, said: "It is utterly improbable that David Michael Miranda, a Brazilian national transiting through London, was detained at random, given the role his partner has played in revealing the truth about the unlawful nature of NSA surveillance.

"David's detention was unlawful and inexcusable. He was detained under a law that violates any principle of fairness and his detention shows how the law can be abused for petty, vindictive reasons.

"There is simply no basis for believing that David Michael Miranda presents any threat whatsoever to the UK government. The only possible intent behind this detention was to harass him and his partner, Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, for his role in analysing the data released by Edward Snowden."
 

Loser Araysar

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Nine hour detention and confiscation of all electronics.

I'm sure one of the resident sheeple who draw a paycheck from the DoD will come along and tell us how this is OK
 

Loser Araysar

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What are the odds on being detained for 9 hours at Heathrow? 1 in 5000? That guy should go buy a lottery ticket.
 

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I don't know if it is just me or not but oddly the confiscation bit bothers me more.

I mean, take my electronics to snag the data, bad enough. I think it is horrible, definitely a search and all kinds of illegal or at least immoral.

Just seizing all my shit essentially indefinitely? That's going against the core of our society. Property is supposed to be damned near sacrosanct.
 

Loser Araysar

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On top of all that, he wasnt even trying to enter UK, he was on a layover there on his way to Brazil from Berlin. It's beyond fucked up.

According to a document published by the UK government about Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act, "fewer than 3 people in every 10,000 are examined as they pass through UK borders" (David was not entering the UK but only transiting through to Rio). Moreover, "most examinations, over 97%, last under an hour." An appendix to that document states that only .06% of all people detained are kept for more than 6 hours.

The stated purpose of this law, as the name suggests, is to question people about terrorism. The detention power, claims the UK government, is used "to determine whether that person is or has been involved in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism."

But they obviously had zero suspicion that David was associated with a terrorist organization or involved in any terrorist plot. Instead, they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting which Laura Poitras, the Guardian and I are doing, as well the content of the electronic products he was carrying. They completely abused their own terrorism law for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism: a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop "the terrorists", and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name.
 

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-chief-before/

San Diego 6 News reports that Hastings had focused his latest project on Brennan, the former White House counterterrorism adviser and current CIA director.
Hastings' wife Elise Jordan also told CNN that a Brennan piece from her late husband will soon be published in Rolling Stone magazine.
San Diego 6 News also reported on a purported email from a CIA contractor which said Brennan was behind "witch hunts of investigative journalists" and someone from the White House was targeting anyone printing material "negative to the Obama agenda."
 

Loser Araysar

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http://www.wikileaks.org/gifiles/doc...ls-do-not.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ery-car-crash/

Additionally, an anonymous source recently provided the news station with "an alarming email" hacked from CIA contractor Strafor's President Fred Burton. The email, which was posted on WikiLeaks, claimed that Brennan previously headed up the government's effort to crackdown on investigative journalists.

"Brennan is behind the witch hunts of investigative journalists learning information from inside the beltway sources," the alleged email reads. "Note - There is specific tasker from the WH to go after anyone printing materials negative to the Obama agenda (oh my.) Even the FBI is shocked. The Wonder Boys must be in meltdown mode."

The email's authenticity has not been confirmed.

More from XETV-TV:

After providing the Stratfor email to the CIA for comment, the spymaster's spokesperson responded in lightning speed. Two emails were received; one acknowledging Hastings was working on a CIA story and the other said, "Without commenting on information disseminated by WikiLeaks, any suggestion that Director Brennan has ever attempted to infringe on constitutionally-protected press freedoms is offensive and baseless."

The emails also prompted a phone from CIA media spokesman Todd Ebitz. He said they were saddened by Michael's death and reiterated their position that they had a cordial working relationship with the investigative reporter.

On the other hand, Stratfor, specifically Fred Burton, remains nonresponsive.
 

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I don't know if it is just me or not but oddly the confiscation bit bothers me more.

I mean, take my electronics to snag the data, bad enough. I think it is horrible, definitely a search and all kinds of illegal or at least immoral.

Just seizing all my shit essentially indefinitely? That's going against the core of our society. Property is supposed to be damned near sacrosanct.
One story is that he was suspected of carrying "encrypted thumb drives" (their words) from Snowden to the journalist. They obviously don't want any more surveillance program leaks, but by being so heavy-handed about it they've drawn attention to just how much they can legally get away with under the guise of anti-terror laws, such as detaining people for 9 hours of questioning without any access to a lawyer, or any need to justify who and why they do so.

Number of people the UK stopped at airports under these anti-terror laws in the last 12 months: 70,000
Number of people arrested: 24
 

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The worst part about this entire NSA bullshit is that it has liberal posters quoting articles from the Blaze. Sigh.
 

Loser Araysar

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No right or left when it comes to this stuff.

We are all Americans
 

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Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act has been widely criticised for giving police broad powers under the guise of anti-terror legislation to stop and search individuals without prior authorisation or reasonable suspicion - setting it apart from other police powers.

Those stopped have no automatic right to legal adviceand it is a criminal offence to refuse to co-operate with questioning under schedule 7, which critics say is a curtailment of the right to silence.
May you live in interesting times.
 

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and it is a criminal offence to refuse to co-operate with questioning under schedule 7, which critics say is a curtailment of the right to silence.
"Critic's say", um, how about everyone should say? Uggh.
 

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My new tin foil hat theory is that in additoin to all the damning evidence Snowden downloaded on electronic spying of US Citizens and Euro Citizens who are not at all connected even remotely with terroism is that he downloaded (accidently? Intentionally) something else.

I have never seen the kind of cross-governmental co-operation as in this case (remember the violation of Bolivian soverignity with the forcing down of Morale's plane?), yesterday's incident in the UK and even Putin's warning to Snowden that he can have asylum but no more releases.

Now what that something else is? I don't have a clue - But I'll give an idea of what I mean by "something else" Suppose we know that AQ has managed to acquire a suitcase nuke and we know they have been trying to smuggle them in. Serious shit that could potentially cause actual panic in the US or EU if released and was believed. Our government certainly believes that the less we know the better, so they and other governments would go to extreme lengths to prevent this information from spilling and cross fingers that they could find the suitcase nuke before AQ let it off in New York City.

Now I am _not_ saying that AQ has a suitcase nuke - I'm sure the folks on this board could think of 1/2 a dozen similiar panic inducing scenarios that would make Obama and co act similiarly. I'm just saying what if that level of secret is why Obama are flipping out because it shows the complete _failure_ of western intelligence services to stop AQ.

Maybe I'm wrong and Obama and co just want to shit all over Snowden and his allies to make sure nobody gets dares to release any more information from the NSA again and the spooks can keep on with their iilegal surveillance. But it just strikes me that for that to happen, they just have to do nothing and the inevitable inertia of the sheep will let them continue their surveillance.

Anyway my tinfoil .02 cents /tinfoilhatoff