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Eorkern_sl said:
Now does someone have a source about the fact that he would had intentionally took that job to get l33t sh4d0w intelz ?
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http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/a...a-surveillance

My question is did he have an inkling of what he was looking for before he took the job. I don't know what he did before that job but if he had learned of Prisim's existence before that and decided to take that job knowing he would get proof is quite a bit different than taking the job to fish for whatever he could find to throw out there.
 
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Vatoreus Malfost_sl said:
Well, I tried arguing you on the principles of your belief and the only response you had was "But he did it to America!" Sorry if you didn't have anything further to justify your blind support of a system that abuses you.

If you can give me a clear cut reason this guy should be tried and imprisoned based on more than your blind nationalist belief, let me hear it.
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Yeah bro, totes. If someone has a different opinion than you, you should probably just start calling them racial slurs. I mean hey, you tried right? You made the effort.

He broke the law, he should be tried. How is it that a simple "house American Inventor" like me can grasp that but you still can't?
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
YOU don't make the call of what is or isn't endangered. That's now how the process works.
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If you don't see the major loophole in that, I don't know how you ever will, there comes a point where the mysticism of an oath has to sidestep rational thought, but your a guy who believes an invisible man in the sky guides all your actions so whatever.

Oaths are an religious concept, One problem is the secular things you take oaths to aren't infallible.

was there an oath ceremony and was there a bible present?
 
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http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/a...a-surveillance

My question is did he have an inkling of what he was looking for before he took the job. I don't know what he did before that job but if he had learned of Prisim's existence before that and decided to take that job knowing he would get proof is quite a bit different than taking the job to fish for whatever he could find to throw out there.
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Doubtful. The way this shit works there is no reason he would have known about that program before he went to the NSA.
 
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Eorkern_sl said:
Yeah, that's why I'm asking man, there was nothing of that sort in it. Could you quote it because I'd like to call your bluff on that.
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Yeah I don't use the internet much I just answer phones, I am a secretary. I must have just overheard it and I am making it up despite several other people talking about it in this thread that aren't myself or chaos.

It's almost as if you don't want to know the information since you spent more time asking for other people to link it than to just google it.

Will it hurt your view on Snowden? Not likely. You have already idolized him anyways.
 
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If you don't see the major loophole in that, I don't know how you ever will, there comes a point where the mysticism of an oath has to sidestep rational thought, but your a guy who believes an invisible man in the sky guides all your actions so whatever.

Oaths are an religious concept, One problem is the secular things you take oaths to aren't infallible.
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Then call it a contract instead of an oath. Whatever.
 
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Vatoreus Malfost_sl said:
Well, I tried arguing you on the principles of your belief and the only response you had was "But he did it to America!" Sorry if you didn't have anything further to justify your blind support of a system that abuses you.

If you can give me a clear cut reason this guy should be tried and imprisoned based on more than your blind nationalist belief, let me hear it.
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He should be tried though as he broke the law and an oath. Even if he is tried and as a result the programs he revealed are unconstitutional, he should still face the consequences of his actions.

There are more than enough appropriate channels he could have gone through if he wanted to. Instead he chose the path we see him on now.
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
It seems you are the one guilty of making assumptions about people based on their stance of on one topic. What'd you call me, 1.5%? Said I do nothing for society and I'm ruining the human race? Stop getting so rustled and remember what you say to people.
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You began with an ad hominem attack against me here:

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Except, no. You just sound crazy.
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and here:

ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
As I stated earlier to you, your privacy along with your pathetic life are meaningless.
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Maybe if you had tried an actual argument against my stance, we could have had some better discussion. Oh well.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
If you don't see the major loophole in that, I don't know how you ever will, there comes a point where the mysticism of an oath has to sidestep rational thought, but your a guy who believes an invisible man in the sky guides all your actions so whatever.

Oaths are an religious concept, One problem is the secular things you take oaths to aren't infallible.
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You heard it here first ladies and gentlemen.

Oaths are a religious concept.

When Bush took the Oath of Office it was bullshit so everything he did during his terms should have been ok.

No doctors need to follow the do no harm rule any more.

The government should start war with our allies tomorrow because oaths and treaties are for dumbass religious people .....

Fanaskin, get a clue, you are an idiot.
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
He should be tried though as he broke the law and an oath. Even if he is tried and as a result the programs he revealed are unconstitutional, he should still face the consequences of his actions.

There are more than enough appropriate channels he could have gone through if he wanted to. Instead he chose the path we see him on now.
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Ok, so he broke the law. We all know every law ever made is right and shouldn't be questioned. By your stand more than half the people involved with the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s should have been put on trial. You may have full faith in our justice system, but I don't sit back and ignore the fact that we incarcerate people by the truck full that don't deserve to be there. The court systems have never sentenced any innocent people to prison ever.
 
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Don't get mad at me because I read more than my fair share of history books, when I used to be a traditional catholic I actually read the history of religion like it was a holy endeavor(ironcally that's the best way to figure out exactly why it's a man made construct), oaths most certainly originated from a religious concept, what do you think is the psychology of the glue that makes the oath stick, you have to believe in something that isn't physical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath

An oath (from Anglo-Saxon a?, also called plight) is either a statement of fact or a promise calling upon something or someone that the oath maker considers sacred, usually God
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
Don't get mad at me because I read more than my fair share of history books, and when I used to be a traditional catholic I actually read about it like it was a holy endevor, oaths most certainly originated from a religious concept, what do you think is the glue that makes the oath stick, you have to believe in something that isn't physical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath

An oath (from Anglo-Saxon a?, also called plight) is either a statement of fact or a promise calling upon something or someone that the oath maker considers sacred, usually God
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Well it's a good thing that we use verbatim definitions to define everything. I guess we don't get gay marriage now, fanaskin won't allow it.

I guess you are going to say the Non Disclosure Agreement that we sign is also some kind of religious hocus pocus? You realize it's not an oath he takes it is an NDA he signs right? Tell me you know that. There is no "Oath of Classified Documents". Government employees take an oath to the government that contractors do not. We both sign NDA's.

You have already stated you know absolutely everything about anything classified though so you knew this right. I mean why else would you be talking about an oath that Snowden never ever said?
 
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chaos_sl said:
Doubtful. The way this shit works there is no reason he would have known about that program before he went to the NSA.
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From a_skeleton_03's article:
Greenwald noted that Snowden had been working at the NSA since 2009 and that his public statements show he'd already concluded serious wrongdoing was going on, so he may well have gotten the job at Booz Allen in order to get documents he needed to make that case.
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See, that right there is huge to me. He had found out something was going on and was able to get himself into a position where he could get the proof he needed to show the world. If he had just gone in with the attitude of fuck it I'll take anything I can get then sure, string him up as one giant spy. If what Greenwald asserts is true however then I'm firmly in the whistle blower camp.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
even if taken at face value, you still ascribe no motive for why, which is why your letter of the law approach is so obviously shallow.
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Someone translate this into English? I linked an article talking about Snowden admitting he took the job under false pretenses to spy on the NSA and leak whatever information he found. Then fanaskin strung some words together in reply that I don't understand here.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
even if taken at face value, you still ascribe no motive for why, which is why your letter of the law approach is so obviously shallow.
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Why does motivation matter? Is he not violating the law if he thinks his motives are pure?
 
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Vatoreus Malfost_sl said:
Ok, so he broke the law. We all know every law ever made is right and shouldn't be questioned. By your stand more than half the people involved with the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s should have been put on trial. You may have full faith in our justice system, but I don't sit back and ignore the fact that we incarcerate people by the truck full that don't deserve to be there. The court systems have never sentenced any innocent people to prison ever.
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The unauthorized release of classified information is not an unjust law.

Also I called you crazy because you said that everyone is treated as an enemy of the state. A pretty radical and crazy statement.
 
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