The NSA watches you poop.
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You're right, it's just collecting massive amounts of data and storing it for later use. Still not ok with me. I was pissed about the Patriot Act, decrying it as an open door that could be expanded and abused. 10 years later, look what we have, an expanded and abused system allowed by the Patriot Act. I don't trust our current, money corrupted government to not continue the expansion and abuse of the system. The reaction of this administration to the enlightenment of the situation is clear enough evidence to me to mistrust the system. The current president ran on a platform of dismantling this shit, and instead he chose to expand upon it.
Which is why I'm still here and not trying to board the next plane to wherever. I'm pissed at the blantant lies this president fed to the people. I'm pissed that here we are, 10 years after the PA was put into place, that what exactly people were worried about happening, is happening. I'm pissed that the news for the past few weeks has been about this fucking guy, and not about the system he exposed.
On top of everything else wrong in this country right now, I think going out to see more of the world would be a great option.
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Im not sure how that makes Ellsberg's situation any better. if anything its a clear proof of how broken the system was and still is.
I'm sure if SNowden tried to right this stuff within the system, everyone would be like "Oh yeah, totally forgot about the constitution. Let's not build that $2 billion NSA data center in Utah after all"
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chaos
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Maybe. But what is reasonable to expect them to release? As I said, if they mark it TS they have already judged that its release would cause "exceptionally grave damage to national security." How much of that are they supposed to release? Obviously people wouldn't be satisfied there, some people would always want more disclosure and the nature of the program and the agency is that they can't release that information. It's a no win.
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I'm still waiting for any sign of "exceptionally grave damage to national security." what accountability is there for the people making that statement? There is a clear motive to say that even if it's not true.
"Cheney's claim that Snowden's revelations have caused significant damage to US national security has been rejected by other top security experts, who assert that terrorists already assume their communications are under surveillance and are therefore unaffected by the information released by the whistleblower."
Top National Security Experts: Spying Program Doesn't Make Us Safer, and Spying Leaks Don't Harm America
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...m-america.html
"Cheney's claim that Snowden's revelations have caused significant damage to US national security has been rejected by other top security experts, who assert that terrorists already assume their communications are under surveillance and are therefore unaffected by the information released by the whistleblower."
Top National Security Experts: Spying Program Doesn't Make Us Safer, and Spying Leaks Don't Harm America
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...m-america.html
We have Manning's case as an example of what would happen to Snowden.
"The Rules for Courts Martial (RCM) 707 states that under normal circumstances the accused should be brought to trial within 120 days of charges having been brought."It took them over 1,000 days to start his trial after intentionally delaying the process."prosecutors have allegedly characterized "federal weekends and holidays" as "excludable delays." Coombs says there is no case law supporting the maneuver.
The abuse of the law never ends.
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Nine months of solitary confinement and abuse until the media outrage made them stop. Long term solitary confinementcauses permanent mental illness and is considered a form of torture. He was also forbidden 'unathorized exercise', only allowed 1 hour a day.Wikipedia_sl said:
The defense is also not allowed to present evidence as to Manning's intent, nor present any witness or document showing that no harm resulted from his actions. The worst that happened from the cable leaks was"one Ethiopian journalist had to leave his country and the U.S. government said it had to relocate several sources."according to Manning's biographer. So the prosecution is going to call141 witnesses to try and prove harm while the judge is only allowing ONE witness for the defense. 33 witnesses will be heard in closed sessions-- so the trial won't be secret, just the testimony. Makes me feel MUCH better.
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You spent a lot of time citing a military case here referencing what might happen to a civilian. Pretty epic fail, didn't even read all of it.
fanaskin
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Bradley manning is not being tried in civilian court?
http://www.thenation.com/blog/174689...#axzz2XFARAzae
http://www.thenation.com/blog/174689...#axzz2XFARAzae
Stop right there.
Snowden is not able to be charged under the UCMJ. You are a moron.
End post.
The point of the article, if you had attempted to read it, was that the civilian court system is just as fucked and awful as the UCMJ court marshal system.
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I don't really want or expect all the nitty gritty details but there very much should have been some sort of public discussion before the Government decided they'd just scoop up all the metadatas and sort through it later. Not even allowing some public discussion about this is, to me, their biggest fuck up. It would have been nice to have at least been allowed to stand up and say, "No thanks, I don't really want my country going down this road" instead of being blindsided with it years after they started.
I also don't really buy into the "exceptionally grave damage to national security" line. I doubt this revelation has really effected the NSA's ability to continue Prism. The only damage that's been done is to our public image. The only real damage argument could be one of diplomatic damage.
I also don't really buy into the "exceptionally grave damage to national security" line. I doubt this revelation has really effected the NSA's ability to continue Prism. The only damage that's been done is to our public image. The only real damage argument could be one of diplomatic damage.
It isn't though. You know it, I know it. I did read the article. It was leftist propaganda and you know it. Come on try to at least pretend to be centrist here.