The NSA watches you poop.
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Skanda
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Because as a country we have a history of, at least somewhat, protecting whistle blowers. Motive would be a very large part of determining if Snowden is.
chaos
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I don't like troll Araysar nearly as much as I liked old Araysar.
But yeah, Daniel Ellsberg was arrested and went to trial.
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Clarify this for me please.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/EvanL
HOST
WHEN YOU HAVE A SECURITY CLEARANCE, DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN OATH OF SOME TYPE IF
GUEST:00:19:40
YES. WHETHER YOU ARE A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE OR A FEDERAL CONTRACTOR, THEY TAKE THE SAME ESSENTIAL OATH THAT THEY'RE THERE TO PROTECT THE INFORMATION ...
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/EvanL
HOST
WHEN YOU HAVE A SECURITY CLEARANCE, DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN OATH OF SOME TYPE IF
GUEST:00:19:40
YES. WHETHER YOU ARE A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE OR A FEDERAL CONTRACTOR, THEY TAKE THE SAME ESSENTIAL OATH THAT THEY'RE THERE TO PROTECT THE INFORMATION ...
He left the CIA in 2009 in order to take his first job working for a private contractor that assigned him to a functioning NSA facility, stationed on a military base in Japan.
Government work: His first job with the National Security Agency was as a security guard, and the next stop was an information-technology job with the CIA, which stationed him in Geneva in 2007, he claimed. He said he left the CIA in 2009 to work for private contractors, including Dell and Booz Allen. Through his job with Booz Allen, he was assigned to NSA offices in Japan and, more recently, Hawaii. Booz Allen said he has been an employee for about three months. He told reporters he made about $200,000 a year.
Yeah nope.
He was a security guard at the NSA not an analyst. He did some private contractor work with Dell before Booz Allen which was all of 3 months. He took the job to "spy" plain and simple and he is admitting it.
Skanda
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Every one of those whistleblowers have been in the country and stood the trial as part of the process.
chaos
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Motive is subjective, and good intentions don't erase negative consequences of actions committed in their name.
A pretty key difference between a guy like Ellsberg and Snowden is that Snowden didn't even try to use the system in place to fight what he thought was illegal practice (it isn't, but whatever). He went straight to this shit. Ellsberg tried for years to work within that system.
That was before 2009 and he didn't have access to the information or even an inkling of it at that point. He was tech support for laptops and desktops probably all Dells which is why he took a job with Dell later. He installed Windows updates basically ....
Nice try editing it out even you realize you don't know shit. This guy gave information to his OWN GODDAMN GOVERNMENT to stop the problem .....
Except Ellsberg was cleared of charges only because someone was willing to bring forth the evidence that the government was illegally spying on him. Only now, the government has managed to specifically allow for that exact type of spying, so that won't save Edward Snowden from an unfair, biased trial against him. With the overwhelming reality of the situation weighing on him, I would have said fuck this system and gone on the run, too.
I'm currently trying to decide if staying in this country is my best option or not, truthfully. Once I have the financial ability to go, I may. I'm also torn because I do love this nation, regardless of its past inability to live up to itself. I've served in the military in an intelligence capacity, and got out based on some shit I experienced. I was also a military contractor working for SBI, and was in charge of developing an online training system for the intel schools at Goodfellow. I believe in the spirit of the Constitution, and wish our nation had the balls to actually adhear to it.
Skanda
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I'm not one of the ones here arguing that he shouldn't face a court. I would have serious concerns about the fairness of his trial however. Leaving aside the media's effect in this I've no clue how a trial could even work when you'd more than likely have to tiptoe around "I'm sorry but those documents are Top Secret so we can't provide them to your defense" for the entire case.
You can't clear Snowden of all charges when he is in a non-extraditing country.
You seriously should leave the country. Don't move. Just leave for a year and live somewhere else for that time frame. You will come crawling back and begging for your emails to be read by your government.
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vacationing in rome sucked though.
And I spent a lot of time with Italian nationals, traveling and the like. I really would like to travel more, get out of this country for a while. But I will never wish for the government to spy on me in an overreaction to a problem that barely even exists.