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I haven't heard that anywhere except the two places you said it. Even if true bro, did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, they restricted admin access to ensure no one else is able to use their's to fabricate keys and gain access in the same manner? Nah, godlike admin powers is clearly the answer.
We're speculating here, but if its like any other government agency's process except more robust, just because you have a fake key doesn't mean there has been a lock created for you to open. From what I recall, normally, access is granted on a per user, per contract job basis. The more I think about it, the more I can't believe Snowden acted alone.

Either there are co-conspirators, or Snowden is a willing patsy.

Surely any admin would laugh at this scenario. What contract could that firm possibly point to that requires unfettered access to all of the NSA? Surely there is some oversight by the NSA admin creating these "God" accounts.

This is the government we're talking about here. There are probably 10 sets of eyes that see this type of request before it is executed.

Also, being an Admin for a contractor's computer system doesn't automagically confer any access rights on a different system. Snowden could have been a glorified password reset monkey for his firm for all we know.
 

Agraza

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The MIB was facilitating everything via the CSM. They needed to de-stabilize the NSA to block some information getting to the public. Snowden is Agent S.
 

chaos

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We're speculating here, but if its like any other government agency's process except more robust, just because you have a fake key doesn't mean there has been a lock created for you to open. From what I recall, normally, access is granted on a per user, per contract job basis. The more I think about it, the more I can't believe Snowden acted alone.

Either there are co-conspirators, or Snowden is a willing patsy.

Surely any admin would laugh at this scenario. What contract could that firm possibly point to that requires unfettered access to all of the NSA? Surely there is some oversight by the NSA admin creating these "God" accounts.

This is the government we're talking about here. There are probably 10 sets of eyes that see this type of request before it is executed.

Also, being an Admin for a contractor's computer system doesn't automagically confer any access rights on a different system. Snowden could have been a glorified password reset monkey for his firm for all we know.
But we're not really speculating. Several people on this site work in classified environments for the government. It just isn't done. And this isn't even specific to classified networks, this is like network security 101, even in the corporate world is you don't have a need to know then you wouldn't be given permissions to a certain set of documents.
 

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But we're not really speculating. Several people on this site work in classified environments for the government. It just isn't done. And this isn't even specific to classified networks, this is like network security 101, even in the corporate world is you don't have a need to know then you wouldn't be given permissions to a certain set of documents.
So now that we've stated how insanely unlikely it is that he could get access on his own, it is much more likely that he was shown this information by someone with access. Or someone left a bunch of shit laying around intending for him to see it and he took it and ran.

I mean, this guy has the ability to make his own security token that is probably encrypted to all get out and he somehow got in to someone else's session? I'll take shit that never happens for $900 alex.
 

iannis

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First he tried "1234" as a password. But that didn't work.

It was "!NSAsekrits01". Took him more than a month to hack that shit.
 

chaos

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It is. But depending on what he leaks next it may change things. He certainly is taking his sweet ass time, though.
 

W4RH34D_sl

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I think Snowden was someone's useful idiot, and is distracting from some other plot or foul up they don't want going pub. Now the funny thing would be if this shadow master dude counted on snowden getting killed or jailed relatively quickly with little fallout or if any collateral damage done with the provided secret information is of little consequence.

The dude just doesn't strike me as a brilliant mind. Time will tell, but I have my doubts.
 

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Yes, a much more believable scenario is that anyone at the NSA who has an administrator account can do anything they want on the network and has access to every classified document in existence.
Uh yes? Recall Bradley Manning, the at-the-time unstable 22 year old recently demoted private first class? Or am I supposed to believe he was also a master hacker who 'fabricated digital keys' while he was lip synching to Lady Gaga?

Alexander's 'fabricating digital keys' comment sounded like CYA bullshit if I ever heard it. What does that even mean? Regardless, if one supposedly low level employee obtained those documents then there is undoubtedly a seriously gaping hole in their security at the very least if not egregious network design flaws. You said yourself that the government was too incompetent to pull off a conspiracy, but now you want us to believe that the government is competent enough to keep their classified documents sealed and that Snowden was some brilliant hacker. If some random Ron Paul libertarian with a conscience could get this material, then what are state sponsored double agents getting away with? They won't be leaking documents to the Guardian and flying to Hong Kong to let us know what they are doing.

More likely their security is shitty for one reason: politicians and generals are computer idiots who demand ease of access. Properly employed encryption is unbreakable, but good luck getting those old fools to memorize a 100 character passphrase and lug around a keyfile on top of it then make them enter it in every day. Having 1.4 million people with top secret clearance ain't helping neither.
 

Soriak_sl

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NYT Breaking News_sl said:
President of Venezuela Offers Asylum to Snowden
President Nicol?s Maduro of Venezuela said on Friday that he had decided to offer asylum to the former American intelligence contractor Edward J. Snowden, who is wanted by the United States on charges of revealing classified government information.
Mr. Snowden's applications to more than 20 nations have generated a barrage of negative responses. He is believed to be holed up in the transit area of an international airport in Moscow.
Here's to hoping he can get there safely.
 

W4RH34D_sl

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Uh yes? Recall Bradley Manning, the at-the-time unstable 22 year old recently demoted private first class? Or am I supposed to believe he was also a master hacker who 'fabricated digital keys' while he was lip synching to Lady Gaga?

Alexander's 'fabricating digital keys' comment sounded like CYA bullshit if I ever heard it. What does that even mean? Regardless, if one supposedly low level employee obtained those documents then there is undoubtedly a seriously gaping hole in their security at the very least if not egregious network design flaws. You said yourself that the government was too incompetent to pull off a conspiracy, but now you want us to believe that the government is competent enough to keep their classified documents sealed and that Snowden was some brilliant hacker. If some random Ron Paul libertarian with a conscience could get this material, then what are state sponsored double agents getting away with? They won't be leaking documents to the Guardian and flying to Hong Kong to let us know what they are doing.

More likely their security is shitty for one reason: politicians and generals are computer idiots who demand ease of access. Properly employed encryption is unbreakable, but good luck getting those old fools to memorize a 100 character passphrase and lug around a keyfile on top of it then make them enter it in every day. Having 1.4 million people with top secret clearance ain't helping neither.
That whole fiasco is a failure on many, many levels. However, some govt computer systems and policies are top notch. At least, the ones I've had experience with. The nerdier ones.
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And if I recall, isn't the NSA the authority of computer security for the gov? Kinda ironic.
 

Soriak_sl

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The ACLU is suing the government for more information on NSA activities. I know the organization is not popular among conservatives (although I don't know why), but if you can spare $20 and think this is worth fighting for, head over to their site and throw some money toward the campaign:https://www.aclu.org/secure/join-fig...ernment-spying

This list is also worth reading:The Ten Most Disturbing Things You Should Know About the FBI Since 9/11

USA Patriot Act Abuse

The recent revelation about the FBI using the Patriot Act's "business records provision" to track all U.S. telephone calls is only the latest in a long line of abuse. Five Justice Department Inspector General audits documented widespread FBI misuse of Patriot Act authorities (1,2,3,4,5), and a federal district court recently struck down the National Security Letter (NSL) statute because of its unconstitutional gag orders. The IG also revealed the FBI's unlawful use of "exigent letters" that claimed false emergencies to get private information without NSLs, but in 2009 the Justice Department secretly re-interpreted the law to allow the FBI to get this information without emergencies or legal process. Congress and the American public need to know the full scope of the FBI's spying on Americans under the Patriot Act and all other surveillance authorities enacted since 9/11, like the FISA Amendments Act that underlies the PRISM program.


2008 Amendments to the Attorney General's Guidelines

Attorney General Michael Mukasey re-wrote the FBI's rulebook in the final months of the Bush administration, giving FBI agents unfettered authority to investigate people without any factual basis for suspecting wrongdoing. The 2008 Attorney General's Guidelines created a new kind of intrusive investigation called an "assessment," which required no "factual predicate" before FBI agents could search through government or commercial databases, conduct overt or covert FBI interviews, and task informants to gather information about people or infiltrate lawful organizations. In a two-year period from 2009 to 2011, the FBI opened over 82,000 "assessments" of individuals or organizations, less than 3,500 of which discovered information justifying further investigation.


Racial and Ethnic Mapping

The 2008 Attorney General's Guidelines also authorized "domain management assessments" which allow the FBI to map American communities by race and ethnicity based on crass stereotypes about the crimes they are likely to commit. FBI documents obtained by the ACLU show the FBI mapped entire Chinese and Russian communities in San Francisco on the theory that they might commit organized crime, all Latino communities in New Jersey and Alabama because a street gang has Latino members, African Americans in Georgia to find "Black separatists," and Middle-Eastern communities in Detroit for terrorism investigations. The FBI's racial and ethnic mapping program is simply racial and religious profiling of entire communities.


Unrestrained Data Collection and Data Mining

The FBI has claimed the authority to secretly sweep up voluminous amounts of private information from data aggregators for data mining purposes. In 2007 the FBI said it amassed databases containing 1.5 billion records, which were predicted to grow to 6 billion records by 2012, or equal to "20 separate 'records' for each man, woman and child in the United States." When Congress sought information about one of these programs, the FBI refused to give the Government Accountability Office access. That program was temporarily defunded, but its successor, the FBI Foreign Terrorist Tracking Task Force, currently has 360 staff members running 40 separate projects. Records show analysts are allowed to use data mining tools to establish "risk scores" for U.S. persons. A 2013 IG audit questioned the task force's effectiveness, concluding it "did not always provide FBI field offices with timely and relevant information."


Suppressing Internal Dissent: The FBI War on Whistleblowers

The FBI is exempt from the Whistleblower Protection Act. Though the law required it to establish internal mechanisms to protect whistleblowers, it has a long history of retaliating against them. As a result, a 2009 IG report found that 28 percent of non-supervisory FBI employees and 22 percent of FBI supervisors at the GS-14 and GS-15 levels "never" reported misconduct they have seen or heard about on the job. The FBI has also aggressively investigated whistleblowers from other agencies, leading to an unprecedented increase in Espionage Act prosecutions under the Obama administration, almost invariably targeting critics of government policies.


Targeting Journalists

The FBI's overzealous pursuit of government whistleblowers has resulted in the inappropriate targeting of journalists for investigation, potentially chilling press freedoms. Recently, the FBI obtained records from 21 telephone lines used by over 100 Associated Press journalists, including the AP's main number in the U.S. House of Representatives' press gallery. And an FBI search warrant affidavit claimed Fox News reporter James Rosen aided, abetted, or co-conspired in criminal activity because of his news gathering activities, in an apparent attempt to circumvent legal restrictions designed to protect journalists. In 2010, the IG reported that the FBI unlawfully used an "exigent letter" to obtain the telephone records of seven New York Times and Washington Post reporters and researchers during a media leak investigation.


Thwarting Congressional Oversight

The FBI has thwarted congressional oversight by withholding information, limiting or delaying responses to members' inquiries, or worse, by providing false or misleading information to Congress and the American public. Examples include false information regarding FBI investigations of domestic advocacy groups, misleading information about the FBI's awareness of detainee abuse, and deceptive responses to questions about government surveillance authorities.


Targeting First Amendment Activity

Several ACLU Freedom of Information Act requests have uncovered significant evidence that the FBI has used its expanded authorities to target individuals and organizations because of their participation in First Amendment-protected activities. A 2010 IG report confirmed the FBI conducted inappropriate investigations of domestic advocacy groups engaged in environmental and anti-war activism, and falsified public responses to hide this fact. Other FBI documents showed FBI exploitation of community outreach programs to secretly collect information about law-abiding citizens, including a mosque outreach program specifically targeting American Muslims. Many of these abuses are likely a result of flawed FBI training materials and intelligence products that expressed anti-Muslim sentiments and falsely identified religious practices or other First Amendment activities as indicators of terrorism.


Proxy Detentions

The FBI increasingly operates outside the U.S., where its authorities are less clear and its activities much more difficult to monitor. Several troubling cases indicate that during the Bush administration the FBI requested, facilitated, and/or exploited the arrests and detention of U.S. citizens by foreign governments, often without charges, so they could be interrogated, sometimes tortured, then interviewed by FBI agents. The ACLU represents two victims of such activities. Amir Meshal was arrested at the Kenya border by a joint U.S., Kenyan, and Ethiopian task force in 2007, subjected to more than four months of detention, and transferred between three different East African countries without charge, access to counsel, or presentment before a judicial officer, all at the behest of the U.S. government. FBI agents interrogated Meshal more than thirty times during his detention. Similarly, Naji Hamdan, a Lebanese-American businessman, sat for interviews with the FBI several times before moving from Los Angeles to the United Arab Emirates in 2006. In 2008, he was arrested by U.A.E. security forces and held incommunicado for nearly three months, beaten, and tortured. At one point an American participated in his interrogation; Hamdan believed this person to be an FBI agent based on the interrogator's knowledge of previous FBI interviews. Another case in 2010, involving an American teenager jailed in Kuwait, may indicate this activity has continued into the Obama administration.


Use of No Fly List to Pressure Americans Abroad to Become Informants

The number of U.S. persons on the No Fly List has more than doubled since 2009, and people mistakenly on the list are denied their due process rights to meaningfully challenge their inclusion. In many cases Americans only find out they are on the list while they are traveling abroad, which all but forces them to interact with the U.S. government from a position of extreme vulnerability, and often without easy access to counsel. Many of those prevented from flying home have been subjected to FBI interviews while they sought assistance from U.S. Embassies to return. In those interviews, FBI agents sometimes offer to take people off the No Fly List if they agree to become an FBI informant. In 2010 the ACLU and its affiliates filed a lawsuit on behalf of 10 American citizens and permanent residents, including several U.S. military veterans, seven of whom were prevented from returning home until the suit was filed. We argue that barring them from flying without due process was unconstitutional. There are now 13 plaintiffs; none have been charged with a crime, told why they are barred from flying, or given an opportunity to challenge their inclusion on the No Fly List.
 

W4RH34D_sl

shitlord
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The ACLU is suing the government for more information on NSA activities. I know the organization is not popular among conservatives (although I don't know why), but if you can spare $20 and think this is worth fighting for, head over to their site and throw some money toward the campaign:https://www.aclu.org/secure/join-fig...ernment-spying

This list is also worth reading:The Ten Most Disturbing Things You Should Know About the FBI Since 9/11
Just know if you do you may end up on a list. I'm not even kidding.
 

fanaskin

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you're already on a list somewhere, acting like a rational peasant won't always work out in the end.
 

chaos

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Uh yes? Recall Bradley Manning, the at-the-time unstable 22 year old recently demoted private first class? Or am I supposed to believe he was also a master hacker who 'fabricated digital keys' while he was lip synching to Lady Gaga?

Alexander's 'fabricating digital keys' comment sounded like CYA bullshit if I ever heard it. What does that even mean? Regardless, if one supposedly low level employee obtained those documents then there is undoubtedly a seriously gaping hole in their security at the very least if not egregious network design flaws. You said yourself that the government was too incompetent to pull off a conspiracy, but now you want us to believe that the government is competent enough to keep their classified documents sealed and that Snowden was some brilliant hacker. If some random Ron Paul libertarian with a conscience could get this material, then what are state sponsored double agents getting away with? They won't be leaking documents to the Guardian and flying to Hong Kong to let us know what they are doing.

More likely their security is shitty for one reason: politicians and generals are computer idiots who demand ease of access. Properly employed encryption is unbreakable, but good luck getting those old fools to memorize a 100 character passphrase and lug around a keyfile on top of it then make them enter it in every day. Having 1.4 million people with top secret clearance ain't helping neither.
The stuff he was leaking was very different in nature. Not a single document Manning leaked was classified TS and most of it was State Dept shit that isn't classified at all. The stuff Snowden got from the NSA was not something that politicians or generals would need access to, it is stuff they would be briefed about. And he got it on NSA's network, which does not have 1.4 million people with access to it. It has nothing to do with encryption, ffs we use Windows. "We" being the government.

Alexander's comments sound to me like someone who heads an agency and performed an investigation after an incident to report to his higher ups. Everything isn't an episode of the X-Files, you know.
 

tad10

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Alexander's comments sound to me like someone who heads an agency and performed an investigation after an incident to report to his higher ups. Everything isn't an episode of the X-Files, you know.
Chaos' comment sounds like an NSA shill trying to obfuscate the issues, demonize Snowden and cover-up the blatant illegality of the shit the NSA (and others) have been doing.
 

chaos

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Bro, I must have really butthurt you in a previous life. I'm the bad guy because I want facts rather than "Snowden said?" You would think this would be the default stance.

Anyway you sound silly. You believe everything you hear, except when you decide it isn't something you want to believe, then suddenly there is no credibility there. The only person to confirm anything Snowden is saying about data interception on the internet is that same guy you are decrying as a liar.
 

Soriak_sl

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Someone asked about evidence that the NSA was spying on Americans, not just foreigners:http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-se...tent-it-claims

This deliberate collection of Americans' communications happens in at least three ways. First, the government can target foreigners on the other end of Americans' international communications. So, if you call or email family, friends, or business associates abroad, the NSA can intercept those communications so long as it doesn't intentionally target a specific, known American in another country. The surveillance must also relate to "foreign intelligence," but this term has been construed so broadly as to be all but meaningless.

Second, the government has set a dismally low bar for concluding that a potential surveillance target is, in fact, a foreigner located abroad.By default, targets are assumed to be foreign.That's right, the procedures allow the NSA to presume that prospective targets are foreigners outside the United States absent specific information to the contrary-and to presume therefore that those individuals are fair game for warrantless surveillance.

Third, the procedures allow the NSA to collect not just the communications of a foreign target, but any communications about a foreign target. This provision likely results in significant over-collection of even purely domestic communications. So, rather than striving to protect Americans, the procedures err on the side of over-collection and less respect for privacy rights.
Also shows a potential downside of using VPNs:
Domestic communications can be retained forever ifthey contain "foreign intelligence information" or evidence of a crime, or ifthey are encryptedor aid "traffic analysis." That's a lot of exceptions. And even communications that do not meet any of these criteria can be stored in the NSA's massive databases for as long as five years.
So anything you do via VPN can be stored forever.