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chaos

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That isn't evidence, it's a blog post. The stuff about presumption is no different than it has always been. The standard for oversight has always been that if te target is not on US soil, it is presumed to be foreign. Not just for the NSA, but for all agencies ever.
 

Arbitrary

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Are you disputing that domestic communications can be retained forever if they contain "foreign intelligence information" or evidence of a crime, or if they are encrypted or aid "traffic analysis" because I can follow a couple links to the actual leaked NSA documents that were leaked and read them.
 

fanaskin

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he see's at as all justified because it follows a protocol book like it's an ethical masterpiece.
 

tad10

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. The only person to confirm anything Snowden is saying about data interception on the internet is that same guy you are decrying as a liar.
Everything you've said or suggested about Snowden has ben bullshit. Including this. You're part of the cover-up team. I'm sure there's a memo out there in Chaos-NSA land "sow FUD". Good job buddy.
 

W4RH34D_sl

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Something to think about. If the security was shit-house enough for Snowden to get unfettered access, don't you think the ecosystem of that system would also be shit-house? Its hard to imagine a shitty security setup for a glorious unified government computer system in which Snowden could get access to everything the NSA is up to. Highly suspect.
 

tad10

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Yeah most of this is people failures, not computer security protocol failures.
Whatever dude. Go join chaos with the "Snowden" must be a super-spy bullshit. Sysadmins have a great deal of access. Snowden was a sysadmin. That is beginning and end of the story. Anything else from you guys is FUD.
 

W4RH34D_sl

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Whatever dude. Go join chaos with the "Snowden" must be a super-spy bullshit. Sysadmins have a great deal of access. Snowden was a sysadmin. That is beginning and end of the story. Anything else from you guys is FUD.
Dude I'm saying he wasn't. I'm saying this story is bullshit.
 

ZyyzYzzy

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Everything you've said or suggested about Snowden has ben bullshit. Including this. You're part of the cover-up team. I'm sure there's a memo out there in Chaos-NSA land "sow FUD". Good job buddy.
Why wouldn't the NSA have a sleeper agent at a MMO forum to quell people's suspicions they have about their programs? Or everything isn't some conspiracy and chaos is just being logical and actually thinking about the situation unlike you who wishes he was living in The Enemy of the State as Will Smith
 

Torrid

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The stuff he was leaking was very different in nature. Not a single document Manning leaked was classified TS and most of it was State Dept shit that isn't classified at all. The stuff Snowden got from the NSA was not something that politicians or generals would need access to, it is stuff they would be briefed about. And he got it on NSA's network, which does not have 1.4 million people with access to it. It has nothing to do with encryption, ffs we use Windows.
Manning had Top Secret clearance, even if his leaks had no top secret documents in them. But hey, lets throw the book at him anyway.

Microsoft Windows started offering built-in encryption in Windows 2000 Professional (Encrypting File System) and full disk encryption (bitlocker) since Windows Vista Ultimate. Using encryption isn't some arcane feature only used by UNIX gurus.

The NSA puts its stamp of approval on certain encryption cyphers (i.e. AES) and actively helps strengthen some of them (DES).Their own policiesdictate that top secret documents must use AES 192 or 256 bit encryption. I suppose that might only apply when transmitting documents out of their network or whatever, I dunno.

Encryption can be used to prevent system administrators from viewing the data they administrate; some cloud providers offer client side encryption/decryption. Mega upload's new service is doing that, for example. Perhaps the NSA could outsource to Kim Dotcom.
 

iannis

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One of the problems is that crap like this makes conspiracy nutters look less nutter.

But no one involved with the program(s) is going to say a god damn thing about it for what I would hope are obvious reasons. Some of those reasons might be perfectly good ones which even a nutter would agree with. They might all be. They might none be. NONE BE. When your intelligence gathering is this far reaching I do think maybe it could use either a little bit more transparency or a little bit more oversight. A little bit more transparency might be self-defeating. But a shadow court where the overseers aren't even allowed to talk to each other and a 51% certainty rule (for a system this sophisticated) -- it's pretty hard to swallow calling that "oversight". You can't let the nutters have final say about what happens in the asylum.

It's not really even about if you trust policy or any person/agency in particular. That just sounds like a really loose way to organize something potentially important.
 

W4RH34D_sl

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One of the problems is that crap like this makes conspiracy nutters look less nutter.

But no one involved with the program(s) is going to say a god damn thing about it for what I would hope are obvious reasons. Some of those reasons might be perfectly good ones which even a nutter would agree with. They might all be. They might none be. NONE BE. When your intelligence gathering is this far reaching I do think maybe it could use either a little bit more transparency or a little bit more oversight. A little bit more transparency might be self-defeating. But a shadow court where the overseers aren't even allowed to talk to each other and a 51% certainty rule (for a system this sophisticated) -- it's pretty hard to swallow calling that "oversight". You can't let the nutters have final say about what happens in the asylum.

It's not really even about if you trust policy or any person/agency in particular. That just sounds like a really loose way to organize something potentially important.
Yup, its the poor execution from the highest authority that makes me uneasy. They're spying on us? Say it ain't so. I mean, I know its bad, but its not really a big deal to me personally. Inept dick swingers writing checks they can't cash while representing me...Now that has me concerned.
 

Dabamf_sl

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I really hope he makes it to Venezuela safely and stays there forever. I don't care if what he did was illegal. The gov is clearly overstepping it's boundaries in pretty much every area possible, so pretty much any exposure is good. Fuck the government. Anyone who exposes secrets is a hero (a real one, not that meaningless term used just because some firefighter died).
 

iannis

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How is it that giving/risking your life in the defense of others or to protect the community meaningless but protecting your self interest at any cost (to others) is heroic?

I seriously don't understand people like you. Sure, I understand what you mean. I don't understand how you can be so completely backwards.

I hope the NSA spies on you.
 

zombiewizardhawk

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Don't you know that the only way to be a hero is to be a spy? I bet if Snowden leaked a bunch of shit to some foreign power who used it to invade us people wouldn't be calling him a "hero".

Hey Dabamf, you ever fib on your taxes or anything ever? Maybe I should investigate and narc you out to the irs so I can be a hero for exposing your secrets.
 

chaos

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Manning had Top Secret clearance, even if his leaks had no top secret documents in them. But hey, lets throw the book at him anyway.

Microsoft Windows started offering built-in encryption in Windows 2000 Professional (Encrypting File System) and full disk encryption (bitlocker) since Windows Vista Ultimate. Using encryption isn't some arcane feature only used by UNIX gurus.

The NSA puts its stamp of approval on certain encryption cyphers (i.e. AES) and actively helps strengthen some of them (DES).Their own policiesdictate that top secret documents must use AES 192 or 256 bit encryption. I suppose that might only apply when transmitting documents out of their network or whatever, I dunno.

Encryption can be used to prevent system administrators from viewing the data they administrate; some cloud providers offer client side encryption/decryption. Mega upload's new service is doing that, for example. Perhaps the NSA could outsource to Kim Dotcom.
Bro, I helped roll out EFS and Bitlocker support for the Army, I know. NSA still uses XP which does not support that. Access to documents is controlled by file permissions. Their policies apply to document transmission, not storage.
 

chaos

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Are you disputing that domestic communications can be retained forever if they contain "foreign intelligence information" or evidence of a crime, or if they are encrypted or aid "traffic analysis" because I can follow a couple links to the actual leaked NSA documents that were leaked and read them.
I've read the documents, and the more outrageous claims are not backed up by the documentation that has been released. Like interception and storage of all internet traffic, the whole "any analyst can listen to any phone conversation at the press of a button" thing, etc. I don't remember the documents addressing interception of encrypted documents, either, I was pretty sure the only source for that was the DNI's testimony. A guy says something like "The NSA is intercepting and storing all internet traffic" and I'm probably not going to buy that unless I see some kind of evidence.
 

a_skeleton_03

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Just because Manning had a TS does not mean he ever had access also.

I have had a TS for a while but no need for any TS documents. Manning would have leaked any TS documents he came across.