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TheBeagle

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I'm going to go with not so much. Feel free to show me where Marx mentions 3D printers.
That same logic can be applied to the founding fathers and the Constitution. Feel free to show me where they mentioned automatic weaponry, 24 hour news cycles, and the internet. Yet you conservatives love to cling to strict interpretations of the Constitution as if it were the holy word of God himself and are unwillinging to compromise in the face of new technological realities. Thanks for demonstrating typical conservative hypocrisy once again.
 

Dumar_sl

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I'm going to go with not so much. Feel free to show me where Marx mentions 3D printers. Also, with respect to the deleted stuff: way to miss the point. Nobody really has a clue where capitalism is heading. Maybe Vinge's Singularity, maybe the Bpocalypse, maybe something else.
We can look at it easily. Assume current trends and trends of the last 30 years. the 1% get exponentially even more richer, median wage will never get better. Another crisis will occur, likely due to another pumping of a market bubble. If its bigger/worse than before, will be another massive wealth transfer upwards from the working class.

It's easy to see the future because cycles go well.. in cycles. And corruption is the constant.
 

khalid

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Seriously though, even if you count Marx as a scientist and marxist critical theory as a science, even then, citing Marx now would be silly. The amount of knowledge that has been added to ANY field is tremendous since then. Given any field of study, if you talk about it now you can cite all kinds of current papers on the subject. Attempts to falsify stuff, attempts verify things, etc.

Except apparantly marxism, where they still cite Marx. They make zero attempts to falsify it. Make zero attempts to show practical results in experiments. Just simply go back to "because marx said it".
 

Dumar_sl

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L R Hubbard wrote in detail about the metaphysical connections of the mind and body. He was the founder of scientology. He wrote extensively on it. That doesn't make scientology a science.
This is observable. We can see it in action. It's also predictive. We can predict the effects of mass media on that person that works at Wal-Mart, for example. Just because we're not working with mathematical formulas doesn't mean it's not science.
 

khalid

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It's easy to see the future because cycles go well.. in cycles. And corruption is the constant.
So any crisis happens, you take it as a sign that you are correct. If no crisis happens, you say "just wait, the next crisis is coming!". How totally convenient that no results could possibly falsify your beliefs. How like a religious zealot.
 

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I'm going to go with not so much. Feel free to show me where Marx mentions 3D printers. Also, with respect to the deleted stuff: way to miss the point. Nobody really has a clue where capitalism is heading. Maybe Vinge's Singularity, maybe the Bpocalypse, maybe something else.
The corporations will do everything in their power to outlaw 3d printers. And if things continue going the way they have been for the last few decades, you can be sure that why will be successful.

And while you are correct and we have no idea what is in store in the future, this does not mean we cannot look at the last few decades, notice the trends of things, and attempt to extrapolate some information about the future. Any of these extrapolations can be based on prior evidence and scholarly work. And some of this work happens to be Marx'.
 

Dumar_sl

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So any crisis happens, you take it as a sign that you are correct. If no crisis happens, you say "just wait, the next crisis is coming!". How totally convenient that no results could possibly falsify your beliefs. How like a religious zealot.
Seeing the pumping of capital into asset and financial bubbles is not a religious point of view. We've witnessed the biggest wealth transfer in the history of the world, and you're labeling me a zealot? Marx wrote much about crises in capitalism. Heck, that video I linked you was all about crises. A crisis WILL happen: they always do. And if you would've watched that vid, you'd know that capitalism never solves them - it shifts them elsewhere.
 

khalid

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and you're labeling me a zealot?
Of course you are a zealot. You take one person's beliefs as gospel, ignoring pretty much any evidence that contradicts it. You also advocate for violent overthrow, don't you? You said Chomsky was all talk. What else should he be doing?
 

Karloff_sl

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You didn't give a specific example, however its my experience that when we oppose legislation that might benefit us, we are not opposing the help, but the overall cost associated with that help. If something is passed, but it will cost the taxpayers billions of dollars, we would rather see that money being used to pay down the debt etc....
Err you do take advantage of the WIC program? Who pays for that?
 

Dumar_sl

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Of course you are a zealot. You take one person's beliefs as gospel, ignoring pretty much any evidence that contradicts it. You also advocate for violent overthrow, don't you? You said Chomsky was all talk. What else should he be doing?
How do you feel about the Constitution? Do you think it's a well-written document? And this is an open question to all.
 

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The Bible goes into great detail about how salvation and a relationship with God really work. This isn't editorial pieces, but analyses. You're getting into hodj territory here.
 

khalid

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How do you feel about the Constitution? Do you think it's a well-written document? And this is an open question to all.
Yes, I believe it is pretty well-written. I think we are in large part the most powerful and successful country in the world due to many of the things put in it. I think the best part about it is the Bill of Rights and pretty much all those rights have stood the test of time.

It is far from perfect certainly. However, I believe most of those mistakes have been taken care of with new amendments or court interpretations.
 

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So he was a unique snowflake and without him, these "truths" wouldn't have come to light? If so, that is probably an indication that those aren't scientific truths at all.
Marxism is obviously so effective that no countries of import are willing to use it.
 

Dumar_sl

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Yes, I believe it is pretty well-written. I think we are in large part the most powerful and successful country in the world due to many of the things put in it. I think the best part about it is the Bill of Rights and pretty much all those rights have stood the test of time.

It is far from perfect certainly. However, I believe most of those mistakes have been taken care of with new amendments or court interpretations.
So allow me to provide a perspective that you likely haven't considered before regarding the Constitution. And this perspective should shed some mental light on Marxian thought and analysis.

The following is from one of the foremost academics in the social sciences (Cambridge educated, teaches @ CUNY), one of the foremost cited in the humanities, appears in TIME, etc. This isn't some fringe conspiracy nutjob, but a real, often cited academic.

Marx addresses the western concept of rights, freedom, and the Constitution in his work, and this is a snippet of a lecture on that topic. Please give me your thoughts after watching (again, open inquiry to all).

 

Shonuff

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Dumar, explain the mass number of countries that have left Marxism.List of socialist states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Theory is just that, and it's not good theory if it doesn't work.

You won't probably respond to this thread, because from here on, it won't be pretty. I usually don't argue Economics on this board, but I'm going to do it just once.

I did the same with Grobbee, and the guy stopped responding I pulped him so bad.

 

Dumar_sl

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Dumar, explain the mass number of countries that have left Marxism.List of socialist states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Theory is just that, and it's not good theory if it doesn't work.

You won't probably respond to this thread, because from here on, it won't be pretty. I usually don't argue Economics on this board, but I'm going to do it just once.

I did the same with Grobbee, and the guy stopped responding I pulped him so bad.
No communist state has ever existed. Stalinist and Maoist terror regimes were not communist in any sense of the word: they were state-sponsored capitalist systems using the propaganda of communism to oppress and terrorize their people. It never came close to fulfilling communism as described by Marx. We can certainly go into the history of the Soviets all you'd like, try to pulp away.