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fanaskin
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You guys were talking about PACs in here?
It turns out the 'Evil' Koch Bros are only the 59th biggest donors in American politics. Can you guess who is number one?
Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014 | OpenSecrets
democrats have raised way more PAC money than republicans have while they have the gall to bitch about PACs.
alot of the times when one side will cloak their ways by accusing the other side of doing the same thing.
It turns out the 'Evil' Koch Bros are only the 59th biggest donors in American politics. Can you guess who is number one?
Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014 | OpenSecrets
democrats have raised way more PAC money than republicans have while they have the gall to bitch about PACs.
alot of the times when one side will cloak their ways by accusing the other side of doing the same thing.
Vaclav
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Koch Brothers donate via at least three names directly - Koch Industries and each brother individually which they conveniently ignore. (And of course note, private donations from individuals are ignored for OpenSecrets.org)
Additionally "politically active nonprofits" are not subject to their numbers as well, and case in point my friend Jeremy D. Adams who was bankrolled in his campaign by a Koch supported PAC, that one was a "politically active nonprofit" (admittedly the portion he saw of it as a very low tier politician in the Carolinas that are hardly battlegrounds was almost nothing but still they're involved in SOME degree).
Additionally "politically active nonprofits" are not subject to their numbers as well, and case in point my friend Jeremy D. Adams who was bankrolled in his campaign by a Koch supported PAC, that one was a "politically active nonprofit" (admittedly the portion he saw of it as a very low tier politician in the Carolinas that are hardly battlegrounds was almost nothing but still they're involved in SOME degree).
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Supposedly somewhere around $60M if not more in 2012 for the Cock bros.
Charts: How Much Have the Kochs Spent on the 2012 Election? | Mother Jones
Charts: How Much Have the Kochs Spent on the 2012 Election? | Mother Jones
fanaskin
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And that's only a fraction of the money spent (by all sides) during the elections
Democratic super PACs trounce GOP rivals: Republicans intraparty rivals may be hurting fundraising.
Pro-Democratic super PACs outspend conservatives
Democratic super PACs have early advantage over GOP | wtsp.com
It's boogey man politics
Democrats: "koch brothers are evil for spending money to manipulate politics" *spends more money than kochs to manipulate politics*
Democratic super PACs trounce GOP rivals: Republicans intraparty rivals may be hurting fundraising.
Pro-Democratic super PACs outspend conservatives
Democratic super PACs have early advantage over GOP | wtsp.com
It's boogey man politics
Democrats: "koch brothers are evil for spending money to manipulate politics" *spends more money than kochs to manipulate politics*
Vaclav
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Has anyone claimed the PACs are one-sided?
You're beating on a straw horse, retard.
And $60m attributed to them is a far cry from the opensecrets.org figure which just goes to show how much they try to mask things. (And note opensecrets.org is quoting 8 election years versus the ONE that they spent $60m in, it's THAT far off)
Also note that for a good hunk of that timeframe PACs didn't even exist in their current form - it was 2010 that the new laws went into place that made them nefarious - for the other 12 years that OpenSecrets.org represents they were any other thing that had publicly available information and really couldn't do anything nefarious.
So yea, awesome data - if you're a retard who is incapable of seeing through smoke and mirrors.
[LOL @ $18m attributed to them for 8 elections on OS.org when there's $60m that has been found for just 2012 alone - gogo legitimacy - assuming their spending was lets say half of 2012 on average, that's $240m, only off by a bit over 1000% - legitimate source to quote right there, only off by 1000% - I think the monkey making superbowl picks does better than that]
You're beating on a straw horse, retard.
And $60m attributed to them is a far cry from the opensecrets.org figure which just goes to show how much they try to mask things. (And note opensecrets.org is quoting 8 election years versus the ONE that they spent $60m in, it's THAT far off)
Also note that for a good hunk of that timeframe PACs didn't even exist in their current form - it was 2010 that the new laws went into place that made them nefarious - for the other 12 years that OpenSecrets.org represents they were any other thing that had publicly available information and really couldn't do anything nefarious.
So yea, awesome data - if you're a retard who is incapable of seeing through smoke and mirrors.
[LOL @ $18m attributed to them for 8 elections on OS.org when there's $60m that has been found for just 2012 alone - gogo legitimacy - assuming their spending was lets say half of 2012 on average, that's $240m, only off by a bit over 1000% - legitimate source to quote right there, only off by 1000% - I think the monkey making superbowl picks does better than that]
Loser Araysar
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WOWOWOWOW 10.8 million!!!
Liberal super PACs have spent $10.8 million on federal races this year -twice as much as conservative super PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics' tally of independen
Sheldon Adelson by himself donated $150M to Romney in 2012.
Anyways, if you are so upset about the Super PACs then you should have no problem siding with the Democrats against Citizens United.
fanaskin
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araysar your democrat compatriots not even 2-3 pages ago were explaining how most of the money for pacs aren't spent, so comparing donations to spending is =/=
sign me up
Vaclav
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Lots spend over 70% in "adminstration" and the like, yea. Spending needs to be compared to spending - some almost just use it like a money laundering operation. (As stupid as it sounds, it really should work well for such if you're so inclined from everything I understand about their privacy laws)
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You can be ETERNALLY VIGILANT while still be comfortable with a government. Stop living your entire life in pant pissing fear