The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

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When I looked into these things many, many moons ago I took a good long look at the abduction phenomenon. Very long story short, this is what I ended up concluding:

While a good chunk of the UFO world - including abduction stories - is highly suspect as it revolves around people saying something like: "Aliens abducted me and told me the Truth, please buy my book/DVD/whatever." - i.e. they were in it for the money - this did not apply to all. Many accounts were by people who either gained nothing from telling, even lost a lot by it, and seemed sincere about their ordeals.

Two books then opened my eyes about this further. The first was The Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries by renowned anthropologist W. Y. Evans-Wentz from around 1900. The second was Rick Strassman's DMT: The Spirit Molecule. The first book proved that this phenomenon is way older than the 1950/60s. Evans-Wentz records tales from remote areas of Scotland, Wales, Ireland and other places that when stripped down tell stories of abductions by non-human entities (usually called "elves" or "fair people" or some such), changelings, strange lights at night, underground palaces (bases), even "men in black" who come at night in shiny stage coaches to warn off people who have encountered something. All from before the age of flight - let alone flying saucers. The second is about experiments in a closed, hospital environment, under constant supervision, of the effects of the DMT molecule on people. About half encountered some sort of contact with "non-human" entities. One, in particular, told of how he was raped by two crocodile like entities. Now, of course, no physical trauma was evident, as he was under constant supervision, but the nature of DMT and how it is "more real than reality" meant that the mental trauma was just as real.

Now, take three key elements of modern abduction stories that seem to be constant and much talked about. First, is that it runs in families. Often it is explained away as multi-generational experimentation or biological enhancement (creating hybrid species or such). Second is that it seems to favour certain groups over others, most notably people who are in security fields, such as police or military. Third, the encounters are not uniform over their lives, but come at certain times, usually in early childhood (ages 5-8 or so), around puberty (12-16), then mid life (40 or so). What does this possibly say? The occupational fields are both very often hereditary (that is, the children often enter the same occupational field as their parents), but also high stress. The ages are also high stress periods (first around the end of carefree childhood and start of school, then puberty and teen years, then mid-life crises).

What if, we are looking at a hereditary predisposition to the release of DMT under periods of high stress? This results in hallucinations that are "more real than real" and usually involve non-human entities. Take further two additional points - first is Jacques Vallee's analysis of UFO encounters over each 24 hour period, and the fact that they seem to always peak at around 3 AM in every time zone, and Rick Strasmann's view that DMT may be connected to the release of melatonin - a molecule that is released by the body during sleep and reaches a high point at around 3 AM.

What you get is a very compelling argument that one cause of abduction stories is a genetic disorder. Now, two very important elements to add at the end. First is that we still don't know exactly what happens when we are under the effects of hallucinogens. Many claim that they are not figments of our imagination but that we are transported to other "real" realms. I'd say the book is open as to what happens - we still simply do not know enough. Second, even if these are "just" genetically induced hallucinations, does not negate the negative effects that these encounters have on the people who have them. They experience them just as "real" as the real world events.

Well, that's my two cents on this.
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I didn't know the human body had the capability to produce DMT, that only plants could do that
 
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Gruschs about to be fucked with as retribution to scare off those that told him all the things.
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Or...maybe he really is nuts and they don't want this kind of crazy becoming commonplace and stirring up all the 75 IQs?

That's the issue I have with the entire UFO "community." Everything is a cover-up or a misdirection to discredit the "experiencers." Not once does it occur to you or anyone else invested in this stuff that it might just be someone mistaken, making shit up, crazy, or anything else except telling the whole truth. The sentence I quoted above is a perfect summation of that. You fully believe him, no matter what might come out about him or the information, and nothing will sway your opinion.
 
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Or...maybe he really is nuts and they don't want this kind of crazy becoming commonplace and stirring up all the 75 IQs?

That's the issue I have with the entire UFO "community." Everything is a cover-up or a misdirection to discredit the "experiencers." Not once does it occur to you or anyone else invested in this stuff that it might just be someone mistaken, making shit up, crazy, or anything else except telling the whole truth. The sentence I quoted above is a perfect summation of that. You fully believe him, no matter what might come out about him or the information, and nothing will sway your opinion.
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Only a total moron or someone that's totally mental thinks that the ufo community hasn't weighed that it may be a bunch of lunatics operating in the military/intel/gov spaces for over 80 years and have been killing and wrecking peoples lives to keep it a secret for decades.

Why are you so insistent with calling it all bullshit instead of just watching it play out?

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MusicForFish MusicForFish you ever been abducted?
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Yes I have. She was 6'4" tall, had the bones of an angel inked on her back, jet black hair, was amazing in and out of bed. But she went fuckin mental when the woke arrived in Canada and joined the Church of Satan, then got hooked on big pharma thinking she was a sex addict. Was a great time being abducted by that viking goddess in her little cabin in the woods on Van Isle.

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Only a total moron or someone that's totally mental thinks that the ufo community hasn't weighed that it may be a bunch of lunatics operating in the military/intel/gov spaces for over 80 years and have been killing and wrecking peoples lives to keep it a secret for decades.

Why are you so insistent with calling it all bullshit instead of just watching it play out?

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Door is always open to talk, but never open to offer answers to questions

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Why are you so insistent with calling it all bullshit instead of just watching it play out?
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Because it will never play out. Unless you are right and I am wrong, it will never end. Because if I'm right, it is just a coverup or psyop or misdirection to you. A negative can never be proven. Even if billions of official documents came out saying none of this happened, you'd still think that it did and they are just lying to us. There is only upside for you, because either you are right and they actually show us shit, or you are wrong but you don't believe it.

And because it literally is all bullshit until proven otherwise, that's why I don't just sit back and watch people like you say it isn't. None of you, in the history of the world, have proven anything about this stuff to be true. There is speculation and hopium and could-be's, but zero actual evidence. But I'm the crazy one.
 
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Because it will never play out. Unless you are right and I am wrong, it will never end. Because if I'm right, it is just a coverup or psyop or misdirection to you. A negative can never be proven. Even if billions of official documents came out saying none of this happened, you'd still think that it did and they are just lying to us. There is only upside for you, because either you are right and they actually show us shit, or you are wrong but you don't believe it.

And because it literally is all bullshit until proven otherwise, that's why I don't just sit back and watch people like you say it isn't. None of you, in the history of the world, have proven anything about this stuff to be true. There is speculation and hopium and could-be's, but zero actual evidence. But I'm the crazy one.
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😂 I've made offers to show you stuff in the PNW with your eyeballs on repeated occasions and you declined. You argue against everything, and would probably argue that the interdimensional cake eaters that landed in your yard and are currently giving you a triple titted lap dance and blowjobs isn't real and that you're just crazy. You really need to up the dose on those crazy pills of yours, they aren't working.
At least you've kept the same act all these years though, props.
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I'm right, you're wrong. There, that was easy.

I surely don't need the government to tell me I'm right or wrong either, or confirm anything.
That seems to be a you thing, yet you're so at odds with anything resembling "proof" from ANY source so I don't know how to reconcile that for ya bud.

I am interested in seeing how this government spin cycle goes this round.
I wasn't alive when the first one happened back in the blue book days, so this is fun times for anyone that likes international espionage, subterfuge, military bullshit and UFO stuff. Just let me enjoy watching it and sharing the journey with like minded friends you asshat.


It's Interdimensional cake eaters.
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😂 I've made offers to show you stuff in the PNW with your eyeballs on repeated occasions and you declined. You argue against everything, and would probably argue that the interdimensional cake eaters that landed in your yard and are currently giving you a triple titted lap dance and blowjobs isn't real and that you're just crazy. You really need to up the dose on those crazy pills of yours, they aren't working.
At least you've kept the same act all these years though, props.
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If I could come up and see it with my own eyeballs in a short visit (am I supposed to stay there for weeks?), just set up a fucking camera and record it. It must be so common that you feel confident that it wouldn't be a big deal to spot something fairly quickly, so just FUCKING FILM IT. And if filming it wouldn't convince me, why do you think me seeing it in person would? You think whatever it is will change my whole perspective, so multiple videos of it should be a good start at least, right?

If something lands on my lawn, after telling them to get the fuck off of it, perhaps I will reconsider my position on UFOs. However, that has never happened, so why should I worry about it until it does? You say I wouldn't believe it, but you don't know that. Now, seeing some bullshit lights in the sky, even in person, sure I'm not going to immediately change my opinion over that, but something more concrete? Sure, I am open to that. There is nothing more concrete though, is there?
 
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MusicForFish said:
😂 I've made offers to show you stuff in the PNW with your eyeballs on repeated occasions and you declined.
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LOL, I'll show you but you gotta fly out to bumfuck PNW from bumfuck whatever and go traipsing in the woods with some MMOer you never met, who just gonna Susanin you. Maybe he'll be nice enough to plant some fake bigfoot hairs on tree bark before you show up that he can show you.

Why not just offer to go to Mars and meet real aliens in the caves?
 
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I didn't know the human body had the capability to produce DMT, that only plants could do that
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Most plants and animals produce DMT naturally, including all mammals. Humans produce it, but usually in extremely low quantities, and it does not last very long in the blood stream. Now, I have not looked into recent research, but back in the 90s, people were still wondering why the human body bothers to produce it at all. Most speculation seemed to think it might have something to do with dreaming, but no-one was really sure. This might have changed, but as I say, I don't know any recent research.
 
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If I could come up and see it with my own eyeballs in a short visit (am I supposed to stay there for weeks?), just set up a fucking camera and record it. It must be so common that you feel confident that it wouldn't be a big deal to spot something fairly quickly, so just FUCKING FILM IT. And if filming it wouldn't convince me, why do you think me seeing it in person would? You think whatever it is will change my whole perspective, so multiple videos of it should be a good start at least, right?

If something lands on my lawn, after telling them to get the fuck off of it, perhaps I will reconsider my position on UFOs. However, that has never happened, so why should I worry about it until it does? You say I wouldn't believe it, but you don't know that. Now, seeing some bullshit lights in the sky, even in person, sure I'm not going to immediately change my opinion over that, but something more concrete? Sure, I am open to that. There is nothing more concrete though, is there?
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I've posted the pics I've been able to take the past few years, the videos are equally as bad and literally not worth the bandwidth. That's why I don't bother posting them. But I'm not Foler Foler rich and don't have a flying armada of flir drones and equipment + helicopter and boars, just a dusty DSLR.
Watching them with eyeballs is the best bet for obvious reasons.

I mean, a short trip would suffice if you preplan ahead of time. The viewing area is usually closed down due to hazardous conditions. What about next summer? I'll bring cake.

***Edit you could always go solo if you're afraid of MFF in the woods but where's the fun in that?!?
 
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