The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

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correct. low iq people skip videos.
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Meh, I wouldn't ascribe the dogmatic skepticism to low IQ. It's some other kind of deficiency that all types of people have. In this very thread we've discussed this in the past.

There is no source Skeptics (capital "S" because it's a title in their chosen religion of Skepticism) like Mudcrush or Void or the like will ever believe. Even if all the mainstream media showed a UFO on the White House lawn, they still wouldn't believe it. There is no definable thing or evidence that will prove it to them, for whatever reason. Typically it's academics that participate in that toxic ecosystem, and there are no peers to review UFO's, so fake it must be.

Hell, even if they experienced something paranormal, their first action would be to question their own sanity. The dis/mis information over the decades has made some really dull thinkers.
 
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Meh, I wouldn't ascribe the dogmatic skepticism to low IQ. It's some other kind of deficiency that all types of people have. In this very thread we've discussed this in the past.

There is no source Skeptics (capital "S" because it's a title in their chosen religion of Skepticism) like Mudcrush or Void or the like will ever believe. Even if all the mainstream media showed a UFO on the White House lawn, they still wouldn't believe it. There is no definable thing or evidence that will prove it to them, for whatever reason. Typically it's academics that participate in that toxic ecosystem, and there are no peers to review UFO's, so fake it must be.

Hell, even if they experienced something paranormal, their first action would be to question their own sanity. The dis/mis information over the decades has made some really dull thinkers.
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You're correct. I was just giving him a hard time. ;)
 
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correct. low iq people skip videos.
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Yeah, we do that low IQ thing called reading. And use proper capitalization and punctuation.

Insert <we trolled you into watching his video lolz> because you guys are so smart. I'll watch it because Julian appears to be earnest in his discussions. I may not agree with him, but at least he approaches it with a willingness to converse.

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Meh, I wouldn't ascribe the dogmatic skepticism to low IQ. It's some other kind of deficiency that all types of people have. In this very thread we've discussed this in the past.

There is no source Skeptics (capital "S" because it's a title in their chosen religion of Skepticism) like Mudcrush or Void or the like will ever believe. Even if all the mainstream media showed a UFO on the White House lawn, they still wouldn't believe it. There is no definable thing or evidence that will prove it to them, for whatever reason. Typically it's academics that participate in that toxic ecosystem, and there are no peers to review UFO's, so fake it must be.

Hell, even if they experienced something paranormal, their first action would be to question their own sanity. The dis/mis information over the decades has made some really dull thinkers.
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Why is it my deficiency? Why isn't it your deficiency for believing things without any proof whatsoever? I mean, you guys can feel free to insult me and call me dull all you want, but I'm not the one claiming truths that don't actually stand up to any standard of proof whatsoever.

As I said way back on page motherfucking one of this thread (feel free to re-read it, I stand by everything I said), I really WANT there to be something more. I'd love nothing more than to find out that ghosts are real, that souls exist, that squatches love bacon, that there is an alien threat to galvanize the entire planet to band together for defense or betterment or whatever, but having crackpots like Lazar as your poster boys isn't getting it done. Oh, are we not all over his nuts these days? What changed?! I was told, repeatedly, that he was legit, he worked at Area 51, he had a piece of the mystery element, etc. Is that still true? Is there a newsletter that tells me which ones I'm supposed to believe this week?

But I'm the one with a deficiency.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and nice one with the Mudcrush reference, you totally got me bro! Jimmies rustled!!!
 
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Yeah, we do that low IQ thing called reading. And use proper capitalization and punctuation.

Insert <we trolled you into watching his video lolz> because you guys are so smart. I'll watch it because Julian appears to be earnest in his discussions. I may not agree with him, but at least he approaches it with a willingness to converse.


Why is it my deficiency? Why isn't it your deficiency for believing things without any proof whatsoever? I mean, you guys can feel free to insult me and call me dull all you want, but I'm not the one claiming truths that don't actually stand up to any standard of proof whatsoever.

As I said way back on page motherfucking one of this thread (feel free to re-read it, I stand by everything I said), I really WANT there to be something more. I'd love nothing more than to find out that ghosts are real, that souls exist, that squatches love bacon, that there is an alien threat to galvanize the entire planet to band together for defense or betterment or whatever, but having crackpots like Lazar as your poster boys isn't getting it done. Oh, are we not all over his nuts these days? What changed?! I was told, repeatedly, that he was legit, he worked at Area 51, he had a piece of the mystery element, etc. Is that still true? Is there a newsletter that tells me which ones I'm supposed to believe this week?

But I'm the one with a deficiency.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and nice one with the Mudcrush reference, you totally got me bro! Jimmies rustled!!!
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My intention was not to rustle you my man. It was more a commentary on a certain type of mind, as it's a deficiency to be dogmatic in anything. That's why I said it the way I did.

What would I be deficient in, just wanting people to take the "paranormal" seriously when warranted? 95% of reports are misidentified, wrong, or some other prosaic thing. The very fact that such an overwhelming majority is not worth investigation has now caused our better minds and the systems they "believe" to dismiss the minority.

It's not worth it in more than that sense, too: The system that you would trust to investigate these topics is fed by mostly outside funding, which is also run by smart people. Those smart people would much rather bet on some topic that is likely to pay off, than a fringe topic that has unknown or unlikely payoffs in the future.
 
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Yeah, we do that low IQ thing called reading. And use proper capitalization and punctuation.

Insert <we trolled you into watching his video lolz> because you guys are so smart. I'll watch it because Julian appears to be earnest in his discussions. I may not agree with him, but at least he approaches it with a willingness to converse.


Why is it my deficiency? Why isn't it your deficiency for believing things without any proof whatsoever? I mean, you guys can feel free to insult me and call me dull all you want, but I'm not the one claiming truths that don't actually stand up to any standard of proof whatsoever.

As I said way back on page motherfucking one of this thread (feel free to re-read it, I stand by everything I said), I really WANT there to be something more. I'd love nothing more than to find out that ghosts are real, that souls exist, that squatches love bacon, that there is an alien threat to galvanize the entire planet to band together for defense or betterment or whatever, but having crackpots like Lazar as your poster boys isn't getting it done. Oh, are we not all over his nuts these days? What changed?! I was told, repeatedly, that he was legit, he worked at Area 51, he had a piece of the mystery element, etc. Is that still true? Is there a newsletter that tells me which ones I'm supposed to believe this week?

But I'm the one with a deficiency.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and nice one with the Mudcrush reference, you totally got me bro! Jimmies rustled!!!
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There are some legit people in the armed forces coming out and talking about his stuff recently. Here are a couple that I find credible.

Rear Admiral Timothy Gallaudet
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Colonel Karl Nell



Commander David Fravor

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It’s time we wake up and see the two party system and their respective propaganda departments of the mainstream media for what they are. Two different sides of the same coin of an apparatus that is designed to keep us divided, fearful, angry, and scrolling. Turn off the tv, stop scrolling, and spend some time doing things you enjoy or spending quality time with friends and family. Choose love, not fear. You might find out the people on the other side of the aisle are not as different as you were led to believe. It’s time we stop falling for it. Don’t let them monetize your anger and attention anymore. Don’t let the media and, often times by extension, the intelligence community, tell you what to think.
 
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Moogalak said:
My intention was not to rustle you my man. It was more a commentary on a certain type of mind, as it's a deficiency to be dogmatic in anything. That's why I said it the way I did.

What would I be deficient in, just wanting people to take the "paranormal" seriously when warranted? 95% of reports are misidentified, wrong, or some other prosaic thing. The very fact that such an overwhelming majority is not worth investigation has now caused our better minds and the systems they "believe" to dismiss the minority.

It's not worth it in more than that sense, too: The system that you would trust to investigate these topics is fed by mostly outside funding, which is also run by smart people. Those smart people would much rather bet on some topic that is likely to pay off, than a fringe topic that has unknown or unlikely payoffs in the future.
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My apologies if I took offense where you didn't intend any then.

To discuss this a little more calmly, here is my point of view about what you said. I don't feel that I'm dogmatic, because I'd happily change my mind IF a level of proof were ever obtained that I'm comfortable with. But if that never happens, is it me being unwilling to open my mind to possibilities, or is it other people being too willing to accept them? Why am I the one in the wrong here?

We all hate analogies, I know, but pick literally any other situation where extraordinary claims are made. Let's say I've got a friend that has cancer, and he decides he's not going to do any treatment or anything, he's just going to leave it in God's hands. I tell him to drink cinnamilk, so to humor me he does. Somehow, he's cured and there is no trace of the cancer anywhere.

Now, we have a variety of possibilities here.
1) God really did cure him.
2) Cinnamilk cured him.
3) He never actually had cancer, it was a misdiagnosis.
Or 3a) he made it up to get sympathy/donations from people.
4) Somehow his body cured it by itself.
5) He lied and actually did get treatment, he just never told anyone
There are obviously infinite more possibilities, like a friendly alien passed by and cured him in secret, etc. but let's assume those are the main options.

If I claim that cinnamilk cured him, would you believe me? Why, or why not? For the purposes of this experiment, we have absolutely zero way of knowing how he was cured, we just know that he doesn't have cancer now.

Now what if I said I were a doctor? Would that suddenly lend credibility to my cinnamilk claim? If so, why? I didn't prove anything, you just gave what I said more weight because I'm a doctor. Maybe I also whack it to anime pillows too...but I'm a doctor, so it's ok! You see? Someone's job doesn't always make them more credible. Just like being a Rear Admiral or Colonel doesn't automatically give you more credibility about unknown drone-like objects, etc. (Not a jab at Julian, just an obvious example posted above, which I haven't watched at all yet because work.)

This is how I view pretty much everything in this thread. I don't know the truth behind any of it, not for certain. I can speculate, and I can weigh what I think is most likely, but no, I can't know that aliens aren't behind everything. But if I want you to believe that cinnamilk can cure cancer, I would expect that I'd need to give you something more than because I said so.

I know no one is going to spend the time to go look, but I've reiterated these points probably dozens of times over the course of this thread, most of the time to nothing more than MFF just laughing about how he triggered me and made me write another novel. I haven't changed since page one, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to change. It just means that no one has given me something worth changing for. You guys are believing the doctor that said cinnamilk cured cancer despite there being nothing more than a result and him saying so. I'm not going to believe it until that doctor does it many, many more times, with legitimate proof, not just a picture of a "CURED!" diagnosis.
 
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Let's say I've got a friend that has cancer, and he decides he's not going to do any treatment or anything, he's just going to leave it in God's hands. I tell him to drink cinnamilk, so to humor me he does. Somehow, he's cured and there is no trace of the cancer anywhere.

Now, we have a variety of possibilities here.
1) God really did cure him.
2) Cinnamilk cured him.
3) He never actually had cancer, it was a misdiagnosis.
Or 3a) he made it up to get sympathy/donations from people.
4) Somehow his body cured it by itself.
5) He lied and actually did get treatment, he just never told anyone
There are obviously infinite more possibilities, like a friendly alien passed by and cured him in secret, etc. but let's assume those are the main options.

If I claim that cinnamilk cured him, would you believe me? Why, or why not? For the purposes of this experiment, we have absolutely zero way of knowing how he was cured, we just know that he doesn't have cancer now.

You guys are believing the doctor that said cinnamilk cured cancer despite there being nothing more than a result and him saying so. I'm not going to believe it until that doctor does it many, many more times, with legitimate proof, not just a picture of a "CURED!" diagnosis.
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This is a good way of putting it.

They are going for the most interesting/sensational explanation when other explanations have equal evidence, that's not even going into other explainations being more logically sound or more likely or even with more evidence.

Then it is fairly interesting to speculate on mysteries, but the absolute most retarded things are continually brought up as possibilities and they never learn.
 
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I don't blame Void at all, we've all got things we won't believe unless it's basically in our face. As I've gotten older I've realized the things I know well enough to say with confidence is considerably smaller what I'm aware of. Anything NHI/UAP related is a whole subject I could never say anything about with confidence, I've never seen a craft, never met an alien. I've invested a huge amount of time researching it and if anything the truth of what it is, or what's going on has just gotten more confusing and uncertain.

I have aphantasia, which means I have no minds eye at all. The vast majority of dreams I have are purely audio but occasionally I have dreams typically paired with sleep paralysis that are incredibly vivid. They always involve the same locations, with the same people and it's been that way for decades. When the telepathy tapes talk about the "hills", they sound eerily similar to these dreams. I've had conversations there that have given me information I couldn't of known, when I was young they were often clairvoyant but of little impact. It'd be what simpsons rerun would on tomorrow or what my parents would make for dinner. Between UAPs and telepathy, telepathy I can say with confidence is something I know is real phenomenon.
 
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I listened to that entire episode over the weekend. The first thing I did was try to see the actual videos, but they are behind a pay wall, so all I have to go off of are the audio recordings.

I will start by saying that I am going to assume that the audio is accurately portraying the video. There are still images on her website that correspond, so good enough for now. I'll also say that I am NOT claiming that the family in Mexico or this lady are cheating or lying or otherwise deceiving us, nor am I saying that the girl isn't actually telepathic. She very well could be. That being said....

The lady even says at the end of that episode that her tests wouldn't be considered scientific, and she's amazed at that revelation, almost suggesting that it is a conspiracy theory designed to keep these inconvenient truths from getting out to the general population. Is there a conspiracy? Maybe. Again, I can't say.

But what I can say is that, if there are really dozens or even hundreds of families experiencing this same exact thing, it would be almost impossible to keep that hidden. There is a $500,000 prize for anyone that can prove telepathy exists. Are you telling me a family in Mexico can't use that money? Or any of the other families she supposedly did videos with? For that matter, the lady she contacted that supposedly got her credentials taken away (sorry, no idea of names because I can't re-listen while I'm at work, and it isn't worth the time even if I could) would probably love to rub everyone's face in proof like that, right? Or this lady herself, she'd instantly become world famous if she proved telepathy exists.

Let's say somehow none of those things work though, and "the truth" really is being repressed. I guarantee there is a Mr. Beast or similar influencer that is just dying for something like this to put them on the map. Hell, if you can catch Bill Nye or NDT when they aren't cleaning their wife's boyfriend's cock, they'd probably love the boost to their fame as well. Or even a hungry journalist looking for their big break. Or fuck, get the right TikTok dancer. There are more opportunities to get the word out today than there ever were.

If this were as slam dunk as she makes it sound, with 95%+ accuracy for dozens of cases, then do a real scientific test. Get the fucking family out of the room, bring in impartial observers (that "skeptic" she got as a cameraman was pathetic), put them in separate rooms, all that jazz. It should be a piece of cake with how those kids are supposedly nailing it every single time.

But instead of becoming world famous, or at least trying to, she does podcasts and charges for a membership to her site. Even if she isn't looking for fame or fortune, she claims to want to get this knowledge out there, right? So commission some real tests, get some legitimate people to verify it, win that prize, and blow everyone's minds. And if for some reason she's not willing to be that person, it would be trivial for anyone, even you or me, to contact some of those families and win that half a million prize. Yet she hasn't, and no one else has either. I am forced to assume that something else is going on then, because there is literally no good reason for someone, anyone, even the families themselves, to try to win that prize and let their children be seen as the something special they claim they are.

Obviously I only listened to the one episode, so I have no idea how far she went in future episodes and with other families, but she absolutely has to know about that prize, as does the "disgraced" lady she coordinated with. Has she addressed trying for that?

At this point any of you could come reply to me and say they fear for their lives or they are actively being prevented or a million other excuses. Sure, maybe those things are happening. But the whole fearing for their lives thing always kills me, as they go on and talk about the thing they are supposedly in fear over anyway. And even then, what better way to remove the threat to your life than getting the info out so widely that killing you won't stop it?

Even if the videos of those tests are super-duper convincing, they are still just videos that someone is telling me are legit. I don't care how earnest they sound, there is always a chance that someone is a big fat liar. A lot of people in this thread are immediately willing to believe the random person giving a convincing speech or interview, no matter how wild the claims, because they want to believe it is true. If the option is believing in telepathy or believing that people are lying (on purpose or unknowingly), I'm the opposite because people are shitty and thus I'll lean towards them lying. Do official tests, and then I'll start considering changing my mind.
 
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I listened to that entire episode over the weekend. The first thing I did was try to see the actual videos, but they are behind a pay wall, so all I have to go off of are the audio recordings.

I will start by saying that I am going to assume that the audio is accurately portraying the video. There are still images on her website that correspond, so good enough for now. I'll also say that I am NOT claiming that the family in Mexico or this lady are cheating or lying or otherwise deceiving us, nor am I saying that the girl isn't actually telepathic. She very well could be. That being said....

The lady even says at the end of that episode that her tests wouldn't be considered scientific, and she's amazed at that revelation, almost suggesting that it is a conspiracy theory designed to keep these inconvenient truths from getting out to the general population. Is there a conspiracy? Maybe. Again, I can't say.

But what I can say is that, if there are really dozens or even hundreds of families experiencing this same exact thing, it would be almost impossible to keep that hidden. There is a $500,000 prize for anyone that can prove telepathy exists. Are you telling me a family in Mexico can't use that money? Or any of the other families she supposedly did videos with? For that matter, the lady she contacted that supposedly got her credentials taken away (sorry, no idea of names because I can't re-listen while I'm at work, and it isn't worth the time even if I could) would probably love to rub everyone's face in proof like that, right? Or this lady herself, she'd instantly become world famous if she proved telepathy exists.

Let's say somehow none of those things work though, and "the truth" really is being repressed. I guarantee there is a Mr. Beast or similar influencer that is just dying for something like this to put them on the map. Hell, if you can catch Bill Nye or NDT when they aren't cleaning their wife's boyfriend's cock, they'd probably love the boost to their fame as well. Or even a hungry journalist looking for their big break. Or fuck, get the right TikTok dancer. There are more opportunities to get the word out today than there ever were.

If this were as slam dunk as she makes it sound, with 95%+ accuracy for dozens of cases, then do a real scientific test. Get the fucking family out of the room, bring in impartial observers (that "skeptic" she got as a cameraman was pathetic), put them in separate rooms, all that jazz. It should be a piece of cake with how those kids are supposedly nailing it every single time.

But instead of becoming world famous, or at least trying to, she does podcasts and charges for a membership to her site. Even if she isn't looking for fame or fortune, she claims to want to get this knowledge out there, right? So commission some real tests, get some legitimate people to verify it, win that prize, and blow everyone's minds. And if for some reason she's not willing to be that person, it would be trivial for anyone, even you or me, to contact some of those families and win that half a million prize. Yet she hasn't, and no one else has either. I am forced to assume that something else is going on then, because there is literally no good reason for someone, anyone, even the families themselves, to try to win that prize and let their children be seen as the something special they claim they are.

Obviously I only listened to the one episode, so I have no idea how far she went in future episodes and with other families, but she absolutely has to know about that prize, as does the "disgraced" lady she coordinated with. Has she addressed trying for that?

At this point any of you could come reply to me and say they fear for their lives or they are actively being prevented or a million other excuses. Sure, maybe those things are happening. But the whole fearing for their lives thing always kills me, as they go on and talk about the thing they are supposedly in fear over anyway. And even then, what better way to remove the threat to your life than getting the info out so widely that killing you won't stop it?

Even if the videos of those tests are super-duper convincing, they are still just videos that someone is telling me are legit. I don't care how earnest they sound, there is always a chance that someone is a big fat liar. A lot of people in this thread are immediately willing to believe the random person giving a convincing speech or interview, no matter how wild the claims, because they want to believe it is true. If the option is believing in telepathy or believing that people are lying (on purpose or unknowingly), I'm the opposite because people are shitty and thus I'll lean towards them lying. Do official tests, and then I'll start considering changing my mind.
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Thanks for checking it out man, much respect. I haven’t watched past the episode either but it’s interesting enough for me I’ll probably work through it in the next couple weeks.
 
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