The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

B_Mizzle · Jan 19, 2019

a c i d.f l y said:
I'm not insinuating anything. I'm pretty clear in what I said. There are several known methods or ways in which is could be done. It's no mystery. A simple Google will net you a solid group of various means available at the time to accomplish said feats. I never said there was a single, solid, agreed upon method.

And yes I'm going to be smug about it, because we can put up a two trillion ton building today in a month. The feasibility of moving a single 1000 ton brick becomes asinine. To say we have trouble today is blatantly ignorant. The weight and quantity of steel that was produced and necessary to construct every building on Long Island. Yeah, different time, significant differences in tech, but stacking LEGO bricks for a society that has clearly built these things that have managed to sustain and exist to this day... Ironically, most of said modern building would deprecate after a single millenia.

There was no magic involved. No special tools. No aliens. Dude, you have the power of the internet and are actively choosing to remain ignorant. Yes, it's fascinating to propose or speculate, but to say it is entirely improbable or flat out impossible is dumb as fuck.

Your modern homes are designed using the cheapest materials. Of course they're going to fall apart, but they do generally last at least one or two lifetimes. And speaking of tech to counter earthquakes, we have towers designed with that in mind. Tech that isn't incorporated into your peon housing because it's not fucking necessary. Earthquakes are the reason a lot of this shit is in ruins, because it fell over. The pyramids and sphinx are hardly in their original form, either.

You cite that we can build massive buildings today and how much they weigh in total. Sure, but that is not even close to the same thing. Moving 500 pound beams around and using concrete is not even remotely the same thing as moving around a 100 ton block and fitting it into place. And no you can't just google the way these things were built. I do believe it was up until what 10 years ago modern "science" was still telling us a bunch of slaves used ramps to build the pyramids. Get over yourself and your ancient history 100 class please.

Solved! How Ancient Egyptians Moved Massive Pyramid Stones

Going to add in a modern take on how the Egyptians were moving stones around. Apparently, the consensus is that now they used sleds and put water on the sand, but not too much water, and not too little, but just the right amount. Because if there is not enough water this method doesn't work and too much water and it doesn't work either. Going to throw some shade on this and say I'm not fully convinced and I remain skeptical.

Kiroy · Jan 19, 2019

B_Mizzle said:
You cite that we can build massive buildings today and how much they weigh in total. Sure, but that is not even close to the same thing. Moving 500 pound beams around and using concrete is not even remotely the same thing as moving around a 100 ton block and fitting it into place. And no you can't just google the way these things were built. I do believe it was up until what 10 years ago modern "science" was still telling us a bunch of slaves used ramps to build the pyramids. Get over yourself and your ancient history 100 class please.

Solved! How Ancient Egyptians Moved Massive Pyramid Stones

Going to add in a modern take on how the Egyptians were moving stones around. Apparently, the consensus is that now they used sleds and put water on the sand, but not too much water, and not too little, but just the right amount. Because if there is not enough water this method doesn't work and too much water and it doesn't work either. Going to throw some shade on this and say I'm not fully convinced and I remain skeptical.

people roll in and read a few of the out there posts that show up in here and think everything we're talking about is insane fringe

this thread really isn't that conspiratorial or fringe as a whole

Chukzombi · Jan 19, 2019

Kiroy said:
people roll in and read a few of the out there posts that show up in here and think everything we're talking about is insane fringe

this thread really isn't that conspiratorial or fringe as a whole

too bad they cant just GTFO instead they have to brag about their stupidity. herp derp, guys aliens didnt do this. its just stacking rocks herp derp, i saw a redneck drag his barn around on youtube. hyuck.

Chukzombi · Jan 19, 2019

a c i d.f l y · Jan 20, 2019

B_Mizzle said:
You cite that we can build massive buildings today and how much they weigh in total. Sure, but that is not even close to the same thing. Moving 500 pound beams around and using concrete is not even remotely the same thing as moving around a 100 ton block and fitting it into place. And no you can't just google the way these things were built. I do believe it was up until what 10 years ago modern "science" was still telling us a bunch of slaves used ramps to build the pyramids. Get over yourself and your ancient history 100 class please.

Solved! How Ancient Egyptians Moved Massive Pyramid Stones

Going to add in a modern take on how the Egyptians were moving stones around. Apparently, the consensus is that now they used sleds and put water on the sand, but not too much water, and not too little, but just the right amount. Because if there is not enough water this method doesn't work and too much water and it doesn't work either. Going to throw some shade on this and say I'm not fully convinced and I remain skeptical.

Dude, you're literally proving my point. You Googled a method that could have been used. That's the most agreed upon method at this point. But the point stands, there are methods that are humanly capable.

I'm even more amused that my drunken ravings are holding true. You want to believe stupid shit about how humans would have been incapable of accomplishing something that was clearly built by humans as evidenced by how these buildings, walls, whatever.... I dunno, are still there. All across the planet. Just because they're all ancient isn't a counter argument.

a c i d.f l y · Jan 20, 2019

Chuk, I try to take folks seriously. But dude. No.

Chukzombi · Jan 20, 2019

a c i d.f l y said:
Chuk, I try to take folks seriously. But dude. No.

since you have it all figured out. then you have no reason to continue posting in this thread. later.

Kiroy · Jan 20, 2019

a c i d.f l y said:
Just because they're all ancient isn't a counter argument.

it's literally the whole point of our conversations

you're coming at this like we're talking aliens or some shit, it's fucking odd

the whole point of this thread is to discuss and debate alternate theories, not just splurge out like you're doing, you're not even open to discussion so like chuk said, why the fuck you here? go reeee out in the lumi thread

Chukzombi · Jan 20, 2019

Kiroy said:
it's literally the whole point of our conversations

you're coming at this like we're talking aliens or some shit, it's fucking odd

the whole point of this thread is to discuss and debate alternate theories, not just splurge out like you're doing, you're not even open to discussion so like chuk said, why the fuck you here? go reeee out in the lumi thread

saying it was aliens is the same as saying it was magic. depending on how old these structures are, there is a possibility it wasnt even homo sapien sapiens, but we arent even saying it was that because we simply dont know exactly how old these structures are. the pyramids have never been dated ditto the other megalithic structures around the world. what academia has done is assigned their dates and builders according to the earliest known civ they have records of in the region. when you factor in something like the Youngar Dryas which wiped out whomever was here chilling in those megaliths at the time then the next people to come along got the credit for it. the Inca who named Machu Picchu which translates to "ancient mountain" only discovered those structures and had no fucking clue who built them. they certainly didnt know how to duplicate them. their attempts were decent, but in comparison werent up to the test of time.

Chris · Jan 20, 2019

Chukzombi said:
saying it was aliens is the same as saying it was magic. depending on how old these structures are, there is a possibility it wasnt even homo sapien sapiens, but we arent even saying it was that because we simply dont know exactly how old these structures are. the pyramids have never been dated ditto the other megalithic structures around the world. what academia has done is assigned their dates and builders according to the earliest known civ they have records of in the region. when you factor in something like the Youngar Dryas which wiped out whomever was here chilling in those megaliths at the time then the next people to come along got the credit for it. the Inca who named Machu Picchu which translates to "ancient mountain" only discovered those structures and had no fucking clue who built them. they certainly didnt know how to duplicate them. their attempts were decent, but in comparison werent up to the test of time.

I don't understand how you can go straight from "two different construction techniques" to "wiped out non human master race using high technology".

Yeah maybe two groups of regular people built it.

Maybe they were into strong foundations.

Maybe the buildings were remodeled by later generations and they discovered an easier way to make them higher.

Maybe there was a limit to how high they could lift heavy stones.

TJT · Jan 20, 2019

a c i d.f l y said:
Chuk, I try to take folks seriously. But dude. No.

The primary topic of discussion in this thread (to me) is really how the mainstream narrative of humanity propagating throughout the world and establishing civilization is full of massive plot holes. Every single historical, "fact" regarding the dawn of human civilization is framed through the lens of 40k years ago humans walked out of Africa, across Asia and Europe then used the Bering Strait landbridge to cross into NA and SA. Any other explanation, no matter how mundane, that questions this broad lens is immediately vilified and discarded by the global academic community.

TJT · Jan 20, 2019

Chukzombi that Jersey City one is interesting to me. Something like that should be immediately identifiable as it would have to have been built sometime in the past 300 years at MOST in order to fit with the founding of the USA. Maybe you should go check this one out!

Who do they say built it?

Chukzombi · Jan 20, 2019

TJT said:
Chukzombi that Jersey City one is interesting to me. Something like that should be immediately identifiable as it would have to have been built sometime in the past 300 years at MOST in order to fit with the founding of the USA. Maybe you should go check this one out!

Who do they say built it?

the Reddit thread says its being credited to the Penn RR company during the 1800s. but its only one small section like that. its not impossible they did build it. its just odd they would use that design and only in that section.

iannis · Jan 20, 2019

TJT said:
The primary topic of discussion in this thread (to me) is really how the mainstream narrative of humanity propagating throughout the world and establishing civilization is full of massive plot holes. Every single historical, "fact" regarding the dawn of human civilization is framed through the lens of 40k years ago humans walked out of Africa, across Asia and Europe then used the Bering Strait landbridge to cross into NA and SA. Any other explanation, no matter how mundane, that questions this broad lens is immediately vilified and discarded by the global academic community.

It's a little more convoluted than that, even. There are fits of migration that have to have happened to match the fossil records combined with the geological records about ocean levels. The mainstream narrative takes almost as much suspension of disbelief as some of the videos in this thread. It has the advantage of fossil evidence. It has the DISadvantage of the difficulty of precise dating and that evidence is sparse.

I will admit that an ancient civ global network would simplify those migration patterns. But the idea raises other problems which also shouldn't just be brushed under the rug because it's a neat and exciting idea. The evidence for this is even more sparse than the questionable fossils.

Neaderthals had bigger brains than us. Europe was also colonized last.

UNLEASH YOUR YETI BLOOD.

Or maybe don't. Apparently we're much meaner.

Chukzombi · Jan 20, 2019

iannis said:
It's a little more convoluted than that, even. There are fits of migration that have to have happened to match the fossil records. The mainstream narrative takes almost as much suspension of disbelief as some of the videos in this thread. It has the advantage of fossil evidence. It has the DISadvantage of the difficulty of precise dating and that evidence is sparse.

I will admit that an ancient civ global network would simplify those migration patterns. But the idea raises other problems which also shouldn't just be brushed under the rug because it's a neat and exciting idea. The evidence for this is even more sparse than the questionable fossils.

Neaderthals had bigger brains than us. Europe was also colonized last.

UNLEASH YOUR YETI BLOOD.

a 12k year old global trade network sounds implausible or downright impossible when told that humans were just drooling idiots spearing wooly mammoths and living in caves. but then Gobekli Tepe comes along and smashes the hunter gatherer theory into a million pieces. now the idea of a global trade network isnt so far fetched when you compare the symbology from other continents art and similarity in construction and engineering.

Kiroy · Jan 20, 2019

Chukzombi said:
a 12k year old global trade network sounds implausible or downright impossible when told that humans were just drooling idiots spearing wooly mammoths and living in caves. but then Gobekli Tepe comes along and smashes the hunter gatherer theory into a million pieces. now the idea of a global trade network isnt so far fetched when you compare the symbology from other continents art and similarity in construction and engineering.

the serious aspects of this thread wouldn't exist without gobekli, and now that the greenland impact crater has been discovered, all but proving the younger dryas, it's very easy to believe the "fringe crazy" explanations of why our whole dating methods have been completely fucked at megalythic sites all over the world

because of gobelki, almost all textbook anthropological 'facts' relating to civilization are bunk

iannis · Jan 20, 2019

Sure, but it comes down to evidence. What you have are pictures of walls, inexplicable megalith construction (different than the walls), an impact crater, and some similiarities in representational art.

What they have are bones and genetic mapping.

The mainstream theory is weak and undoubtably wrong. This is weaker though. That doesn't mean it's wrong. It means it needs more to support it.

I do think that's why (outside of egyptologists, they've got other completely self serving reasons) no one pursues it professionally. Even in the modern world we have found bizzare enclaves. Remember the hobbits? These ruins could be disjointed in time by any number of generations just as well as they are in space.

Kiroy · Jan 20, 2019

iannis said:
Sure, but it comes down to evidence. What you have are pictures of walls, inexplicable megalith construction (different than the walls), an impact crater, and some similiarities in representational art.

What they have are bones and genetic mapping.

The mainstream theory is weak and undoubtably wrong. This is weaker though. That doesn't mean it's wrong. It means it needs more to support it.

I do think that's why (outside of egyptologists, they've got other completely self serving reasons) no one pursues it professionally. Even in the modern world we have found bizzare enclaves. Remember the hobbits? These ruins could be disjointed in time by any number of generations just as well as they are in space.

You're not wrong, my only argument would be that they are equally weak but people who are interested in looking into it are lead to believe one is a good strong theory while one is pure conspiracy nonsense

Seems like every month we get more evidence of dryas, and there are 100's of nearby tepe sites similar to gobekli, but because it's turkey and the sites assblast the mainstream theories, the excavation is essentially non-existent at the sister sites. I believe last I heard is they've even stopped excavating gobekli and just turned it into a tourist walk through now.

Either way, gobekli really assfucks all the mainstream theories on civilization.

Chukzombi · Jan 20, 2019

iannis said:
Sure, but it comes down to evidence. What you have are pictures of walls, inexplicable megalith construction (different than the walls), an impact crater, and some similiarities in representational art.

What they have are bones and genetic mapping.

The mainstream theory is weak and undoubtably wrong. This is weaker though. That doesn't mean it's wrong. It means it needs more to support it.

I do think that's why (outside of egyptologists, they've got other completely self serving reasons) no one pursues it professionally. Even in the modern world we have found bizzare enclaves. Remember the hobbits? These ruins could be disjointed in time by any number of generations just as well as they are in space.

what bones? bones of the people who were obliterated during the impact? who was going to bury them? man has been around for a million years. we should be finding mountains of human bones everywhere. we dont because when unburied, carcasses+bones decay in a very short time.
also burying corpses is only a custom in recent time. the american indians didnt even bury their dead. they put them in wooden cairns. those no longer exist.

TJT · Jan 20, 2019

Kiroy said:
You're not wrong, my only argument would be that they are equally weak but people who are interested in looking into it are lead to believe one is a good strong theory while one is pure conspiracy nonsense

Seems like every month we get more evidence of dryas, and there are 100's of nearby tepe sites similar to gobekli, but because it's turkey and the sites assblast the mainstream theories, the excavation is essentially non-existent at the sister sites. I believe last I heard is they've even stopped excavating gobekli and just turned it into a tourist walk through now.

Either way, gobekli really assfucks all the mainstream theories on civilization.

Yeah. Even the academics agree that Gobekli Tepe was built 12000 years ago. If we follow the main lens then mankind was fucking around doing Clan of the Cave Bear shit and fighting with neanderthals at this time.

Meanwhile, a society had become efficient enough (farming) to have a wide swathe of specialist workers in stonemasonry, engineering, art, etc to build Gobekli Tepe out in Turkey. So, in order for this to work with that narrative, this society had to create itself in a vacuum and be a complete isolate when compared to every single other pocket of human civilization. Which is completely absurd.

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