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Homsar

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Do you actually think the mafia plot in this show was interesting or new in some way?

Have you ever seen any of the other ten thousand mafia shows and movies that exist?
They're always similar or the same for the most part
 

MusicForFish

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Whomever went into watching this and expected anything better than a basic, typical mafia organization being written out of Hollywood in the 2020's should lower their expectations drastically.
 

jayrebb

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I watched it for the character. The plot just needed to be serviceable.

Nobody thought it was going to reinvent the wheel. In fact, everyone was mocking and loving the idea of a trashy mobster shlock before it aired.

Penguin was never meant to be taken as a Godfather epic.
 
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spronk

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yeah in 2024/2025 i'd infinitely prefer a basic mob story with good characters than the alternative, which is 100% the same thing every time now - lesbian black or brown 90 or 250 lb lady kills misogynistic men and takes power while saving da keedz

we can go back to crazier stories once hollywood rebuilds the foundation of simple, solid storytelling but we are still years and years deep into woke DEI bullshit and its gonna take years and years to get back to basics.

i do think the success of the taylor sheridanverse has hollywood noticing no one is buying their bullshit anymore (i haven't watched any of his stuff, i just assume its less woke than Disney/Amazon shit)
 
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Sanrith Descartes

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yeah in 2024/2025 i'd infinitely prefer a basic mob story with good characters than the alternative, which is 100% the same thing every time now - lesbian black or brown 90 or 250 lb lady kills misogynistic men and takes power while saving da keedz

we can go back to crazier stories once hollywood rebuilds the foundation of simple, solid storytelling but we are still years and years deep into woke DEI bullshit and its gonna take years and years to get back to basics.

i do think the success of the taylor sheridanverse has hollywood noticing no one is buying their bullshit anymore (i haven't watched any of his stuff, i just assume its less woke than Disney/Amazon shit)
Sheridan stuff is woke, its just usually down beneath really good story telling. It does come to the surface though (re: end of Yellowstone).
 
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Animosity

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Sheridan stuff is woke, its just usually down beneath really good story telling. It does come to the surface though (re: end of Yellowstone).
Woke but still includes smoke shows so it gets a pass unlike other woke media only using the ugliest of uglies.
 
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Homsar

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Ok I've only seen couple seasons of Yellowstone, sicario, Hell or High water, Wind River, Tulsa king, and Landman. I don't know what the hell has been woke
 

Sanrith Descartes

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Ok I've only seen couple seasons of Yellowstone, sicario, Hell or High water, Tulsa king, and Landman. I don't know what the hell has been woke
Watch the ending of Yellowstone. Or if you cant make it to the end, the Piper Perabo plot line. Watch Lioness. Hell or High Water is all about the rich/working class divide and how the working class is being stepped on. The gender questionable chick in Tulsa King who is the best shot of the bunch. The entirety of Wind River is the plight of native American women. It wasn't a coincidence the bad guys were all white men working for an oil company.

Sicario was his first film I believe and there isn't much of anything there.
 

Animosity

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Ok I've only seen couple seasons of Yellowstone, sicario, Hell or High water, Wind River, Tulsa king, and Landman. I don't know what the hell has been woke
Everything with Beth in Yellowstone and 1887 was just ridiculous.
 
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Khane

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Exactly. Please provide examples of woke

Like in general? Or on this forum?

On this forum:

Woke - Any story/current event where there is an objective antagonist and protagonist. Antagonist must be white, protagonist must be non-white OR non-male. Subject matter/plot is irrelevant.
 
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Sheridan likes girl bosses. He's the right's Joss Whedon.

He also likes noble savages, but he DOES paint them in a more realistic light than most of hollywood. Sheridan likes to make them capable and brutal, not capable and peaceful.
 

Bandwagon

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Didn't Blunt and Olsen get there asses kicked?
I have zero complaints about Sicario. Emily Blunt in Sicario is one of the best portrayals of a strong woman, imo.
I like women like that. I don't like the Hollywood mary sue version of it, which Sheridan definitely has in some of his more recent shit.

edit: he still puts out more solid stories than anybody else in the industry, so it's a minor complaint.
 
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Bald Brah

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Sheridan likes girl bosses. He's the right's Joss Whedon.

He also likes noble savages, but he DOES paint them in a more realistic light than most of hollywood. Sheridan likes to make them capable and brutal, not capable and peaceful.
His shits not even original. He's just regurgitating shit like dynasty and falcon crest. Who shot JR?
 

spronk

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Exactly. Please provide examples of woke

simple examples

Bridgerton - replacing traditional British royalty with black and brown people. Its not just simple race swapping characters where their race doesn't really matter (comedies, modern day drama, sci fi, fantasy, etc) but its more insidious rewriting of history to pretend that non white people built the foundations of modern society, and that you should be "ashamed" of being white for stealing other races history. This happens all modern TV shows from Vikings, Troy, Roman period pieces, Hamilton, on and on. Bridgerton is THE most popular show on the planet now thanks to dumb women, and its not a "BBC sucks" problem as the show was created by Netflix and the creator is a black American woman.

ugly ass old black women are now the face of the monarchy in British period TV shows



She Hulk - didn't watch and this scene in episode 1 convinced me not to, she hulk whines to Hulk how she is instantly better at controlling her anger than him because all her life men have been mansplaining to her:



I don't really give a shit about race/gender swaps or fags in entertainment, thats whatever. But you start realizing a lot of Hollywood writers are pushing an ideological beat in their writing that masculinity is bad, America is evil, women don't need men, white men are evil and shouldn't have power, and trannies are normal not mentally ill.
 

TomServo

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I have zero complaints about Sicario. Emily Blunt in Sicario is one of the best portrayals of a strong woman, imo.
I like women like that. I don't like the Hollywood mary sue version of it, which Sheridan definitely has in some of his more recent shit.

edit: he still puts out more solid stories than anybody else in the industry, so it's a minor complaint.
Yes he has girl boss retardedness and is his biggest sin.

The native shit in Yellowstone is cringe. But not what I would call woke.
simple examples

Bridgerton - replacing traditional British royalty with black and brown people. Its not just simple race swapping characters where their race doesn't really matter (comedies, modern day drama, sci fi, fantasy, etc) but its more insidious rewriting of history to pretend that non white people built the foundations of modern society, and that you should be "ashamed" of being white for stealing other races history. This happens all modern TV shows from Vikings, Troy, Roman period pieces, Hamilton, on and on. Bridgerton is THE most popular show on the planet now thanks to dumb women, and its not a "BBC sucks" problem as the show was created by Netflix and the creator is a black American woman.

ugly ass old black women are now the face of the monarchy in British period TV shows



She Hulk - didn't watch and this scene in episode 1 convinced me not to, she hulk whines to Hulk how she is instantly better at controlling her anger than him because all her life men have been mansplaining to her:



I don't really give a shit about race/gender swaps or fags in entertainment, thats whatever. But you start realizing a lot of Hollywood writers are pushing an ideological beat in their writing that masculinity is bad, America is evil, women don't need men, white men are evil and shouldn't have power, and trannies are normal not mentally ill.

I meant on Sheridan shows. But that has been covered. Women power fantasy shit with Beth etc
 

Jive Turkey

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Oz chokes him out right after Vic says the line about being family. I think that was his deathknell.
This.
2 reasons he killed Vic:
- When Vic said they were family, Cobb realized having someone around that he potentially cared about was a weakness.
- Vic had served his purpose and was disposed of.
 
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