The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

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Also it has the time line all out of whack and claims that it was Nungesser who has the time line wrong, but Nungesser has screencapped the actual facebook messages with time stamps as part of the lawsuit documents.

Basically, Jezebel are almost as retarded as Sulkowitz.
 

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they got comments from Emma (and 2 other alleged victims)
All of whom lost in the Columbia University review board on the case. ALL their cases were thrown out AND it was proven that the other two alleged victims MADE UP THEIR CHARGES at the behest of a mutual friend of Sulkowitz and theirs.

Get fucking wrekt Moon bat.

You're citing people who are DEMONSTRATED LIARS.

they got her to annotate the Facebook messages that are often used as "evidence" against her
Her "annotations" are just more DEMONSTRABLY FRAUDULENT HORSESHIT and LIES, as proven by the COURT RECORDS of the facebook conversations, with time stamps, filed by Nungesser in his lawsuit against Columbia University.

You're simply so underinformed on this shit its laughable.
 

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And remember, they had ALL THE CARDS stacked in their favors during the Columbia review hearings. All they needed to prove was that it WAS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT that they were sexually assaulted. 51%. That's it.

They couldn't even do that.
 

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The messages just are what they are, and they don't support Emma's story one bit. It actually sounds like he's the one who was trying to get away from her, while she keeps trying to get him to come back to her and "talk". Her annotations are fine, more info, but nowhere does it say "and here's the proof he raped me". Because it isn't there. The messages actually go a long way towards showing her motive... she kept reaching out to him, she kept trying to get him to re-engage with her, but he was done with her. That made her mad.

I mean we can argue that rape on campus is a problem and of course any rapes are a problem. But Emma is only a problem in the lying discarded bitch way.
 

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Link to Nungesser's filed complaint

http://www.scribd.com/doc/262956362/Nungesser-Filed-Complaint#scribd

Note that this is a matter of public and legal record now, which is way more than Emma and company were ever willing to do with their false allegations, because that would leave them open to criminal charges for filing false charges against someone, since no rape occurred and they know it.
 

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I don't read A Voice For Men or Stormfront either, if that makes you feel better.

If her words were worth hearing, someone with legitimacy would put their weight behind her. Until then, I'll have to suffer my own ignorance of Emma's (allegedly) regrettable but sex.
 

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Cad: "The messages just are what they are, and they don't support Emma's story one bit. It actually sounds like he's the one who was trying to get away from her, while she keeps trying to get him to come back to her and "talk". Her annotations are fine, more info, but nowhere does it say "and here's the proof he raped me". Because it isn't there. The messages actually go a long way towards showing her motive... she kept reaching out to him, she kept trying to get him to re-engage with her, but he was done with her. That made her mad.

I mean we can argue that rape on campus is a problem and of course any rapes are a problem. But Emma is only a problem in the lying discarded bitch way."

Yes, she was reaching out to him. That's actually not all that unusual when someone is raped by someone they trusted and were very close to. She tried to speak to him how they had always talked with each other. She wanted to confront him face to face about what happened, but in the end neither of them made the push to actually meet (she admits that she herself didn't follow through when she could have). The communication between them understandably stopped eventually, and she had decided to put it behind her and move on. Then she met more supposed victims and decided she should pursue it after all, well after the fact.

You're right, though: She has no proof he raped her. There was never enough evidence to find him guilty and there never will be, and based on that alone we can not assume he is guilty and we can not demand he should be punished. But Emma sure as hell can assume he's guilty if it happened, and she sure as hell can turn her frustration into a performance art piece.

I mean, I understand the knee-jerk "lying crazy bitch" reaction, but the alternative explanation is actually much more logical. I mean, you understand that there are tons of actual rape cases with insufficient evidence to find the accused guilty, right? I agree that not having enough evidence must lead to a "not guilty" verdict, but I disagree that a "not guilty" verdict automatically means the accuser was lying or is trying to ruin some poor guy's life for no reason (no reason besides the incredibly lazy "women are sometimes crazy bitches").
 

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Suit yourself, Quaid. Stay in the dark. Just keep pretending you know the whole story and laughing at those who have info you don't.
 

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but I disagree that a "not guilty" verdict automatically means the accuser was lying or is trying to ruin some poor guy's life for no reason (no reason besides the incredibly lazy "women are sometimes crazy bitches").
How complex must an explanation be for it to qualify as 'not lazy', Loombie?
 

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Women are sometimes lying crazy bitches. Men are sometimes rapists. Both can be true.

In her messages, why didn't she mention the rape? Why didn't she say, look that was not cool what happened. I didn't like how you X Y and Z. At least it wouldn't look made up later. She mentions NOTHING about a forcible rape? 1-2 days later? And meets him at parties?

Sorry, but the evidence tends towards lying crazy bitch in this one. There isn't proof he DIDNT rape her, of course, so anything is possible. But seeing what documentation there is, and seeing just how double-down crazy she is with the mattress shit, I think the conclusion is obvious.

How do you go from "it's just not worth it" after someone forcibly anally rapes you, to "I think I'll carry a mattress for two years and be super 100% dedicated and follow through and make this my LIFE" ? Because the woman was scorned. And she was scorned again when the college refused to believe her.

I think there's a saying about that.
 

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I mean her asking him to fuck her in the butt just a day or two before the sex act where he fucks her in the butt seems like pretty strong evidence in favor of the fact that she asked for, and got, exactly what she wanted.
 

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but I disagree that a "not guilty" verdict automatically means the accuser was lying
You can disagree with it all you want, but you're fucking wrong, especially when the burden of proof is so low, and FOUR separate accusers accounts are ALL found to be incapable of meeting that burden of proof.

All they had to do was demonstrate it was MORE LIKELY THAN NOT that a sexual assault occured. Not "beyond a reasonable doubt" just 51%.

The fact is that the text messages and her inconsistency on the subject, and her DIRECTLY ASKING HIM TO FUCK HER IN THE ASS, and the fact that it was demonstrated she got the other people to all file false charges against him through a mutual friend, demonstrate CLEARLY that she was a lying sack of shit, the sex was consensual, and no rape occurred.
 

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Suit yourself, Quaid. Stay in the dark. Just keep pretending you know the whole story and laughing at those who have info you don't.
I never laughed at you dude... And I never pretended to know it all. Hell, before today I thought only someone who had been traumatically raped would lug around a mattress for a year to make a statement about it. I just took the guy's guilt at face value. Turns out I may have been incorrect.

If avoiding publications like Jezebel 'keeps me in the dark', somebody please fit me for a blindfold.
 

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We as a society should always go with innocent until proven guilty. In this case, there simply isn't enough evidence for a rape conviction and wasn't even enough evidence for the "more likely than not" standard. So the university at best should have stayed out of it.

Instead, the university seems to have supported her campaign with the mattress. It definitely gave her college credit for her "protest". Then they allowed her to break campus rules during graduation.

My understanding from reading a few articles is that his legal case is fairly weak. The university has pretty broad latitude to do whatever they want and he has a high burden of proof. However, I hope the publicity surrounding it gets how ridiculious this shit is and Emma is turned into less of a hero and more into a Tawana brawley.
 

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Shit, Tawana Brawley is a bad example. Tanoomba probably believes she was actually raped too.
 

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But Emma sure as hell can assume he's guilty if it happened, and she sure as hell can turn her frustration into a performance art piece.
Truth is not a subjective quantity you disingenuous cock sucking mouth breather. She wasn't raped, therefore she can't assume he's guilty when she made the whole fucking thing up, and still maintain a position of intellectual honesty. She is a liar and a fraud.

You're wrong, you know you're wrong, you know all the evidence points to the fact that she begged him to fuck her in the ass, he did so (hesitantly at that) and then dumped her ass, and she couldn't stand the rejection and made up charges that blew up beyond what she expected in her immature naivety, and you can't admit it because you are a fucking retard.
 

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I mean, I understand the knee-jerk "lying crazy bitch" reaction, but the alternative explanation is actually much more logical.
No, it's not. Not if you look at women the same way you do as men. That's the difference--most of us here aren't sexist. We see women capable of the same deviancy and manipulation that men are. You do not; you see them as incapable of such things. And thus you believe it's more logical that she was raped and there simply wasn't enough proof. You are essentially the reason why feminists believe that only between 2-8% of rape accusations are fraud, while counting the 70+% that fall into "not enough evidence to prosecute" are automatically counted as a failure to catch a rapist. In reality, that 70% figure could contain lying women (For any number of reasons) or real victims that were raped and they lacked evidence. But for people that believe women are incapable of being mistaken, or lying? It's just impossible to fathom that.

Hence why you think it's at all logical to believe your ridiculous scenario despite all evidence. It would be like believing the U.S. government launched massive rockets, fabricated TV images, and was able to fool every expert, nation and science organization on the planet--rather than just believing the Moon Landing happened...Oh shit wait.
 

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Especially as sensitive as everyone is about sex and rejection, and how uptight everyone is and how much everyone lies about sex (queue Antarius with his redpill comments), it's not any surprise that casual hookups followed by total rejection cause mad rage in females. She felt like she was IN LOVE. And he casually discarded her. She will TEACH HIM HER VALUE.
 

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Women who were raped having difficulty dealing with the reality of it = Feasible
Women admitting to having been through the textbook definition of forcible rape on an anonymous survey being WAY off because their silly little female memories are playing tricks on them, those little devils = Much less feasible

Cad is a fucking idiot.
Post you quoted Tad was highlighting the mattress girl. The whole subject line was not just about the study. Also, non-rape? Can be emotionally traumatic for a young person--break ups are never easy, even for emotionally stable and mature adults. Those feelings in a young person, struggling with being away from home for the first time? Can be traumatic to the extreme. Boys in this range off themselves at what? Four or five times the rate of women? Maybe a bunch of those boys are dealing with trauma by swallowing a gun barrel, while women deal with it by expressing it openly. Which maybe, just maybe, because relationship endings are so traumatic--those expressions end up extremely distorted. I mean, why discount that distortion happens in this way?

If you believe trauma can affect how you interpret something, then why do you ONLY believe that works in cases where women are raped and then have difficulty with the reality and thus deny the rape. Couldn't we just as easily argue that if a young woman was traumatized by a guy who used her then discarded her; in a flash of anger she might change details about their encounter---even if it's only to convince her friends the guy was horrible. (And once the lie starts--due to peer pressure, maybe it's hard to stop.)...Men do this ALL the time, just not in this way. They tell a lie to mold reality to match their emotional state or their perception of what they want reality to be, then get swept up in the lie.

Why do you believe this is impossible for women? Especially when we have examples of precisely this happening? Emotional and mental trauma, even if the sex was legal? Is very real, Tan. Please stop being a shitlord and marginalizing women's feelings who are hurt by abusive and exploitative (But not rapey) relationships.
 

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Maybe a bunch of those boys are dealing with trauma by swallowing a gun barrel, while women deal with it by expressing it openly.
I was going to say something similar to this in regards to how both sexes handle rejection as well. Plenty of men end up either killing the person rejecting them, or themselves, as a result of being inculturated in a society that eschews male emotions and emphasizes male aggression, and the reverse is very likely that many women, inculturated in a society that condones false rape charges as perfectly acceptable, probably handle rejection in that way as a result.

How people perceive events has been demonstrated to be wildly out of phase with how events actually proceed. Hence why so many people in the Brown shooting case have such wildly contradictory memories of how that played out. Some said he had his back turned, others said he was charging with fists raised, so forth and so on.

Human perception is a very fickle and malleable thing. Repeat a lie to yourself often enough, especially if you want to believe it, and it becomes as real to you as if it were the truth.

But the truth still exists out there, in the ether, as a real, non subjective thing. The rock is still a rock, regardless of the minds around capable of comprehending its existence.

Courts and trials are, ostensibly at least, an attempt to get as close to that non subjective truth as possible. Even sham courts like the University sexual assault tribunal systems, where preponderance of evidence is the barrier to overcome.

So when a tribunal hears this evidence, especially one so slanted in the favor of the "victim", comes up goose eggs on something like this, it can be said with some pretty strong degree of certainty that we have reached a fairly close approximation of what actually happened.

Denying this reality because it is inconvenient to the horseshit position you've decided to plant your banner on and fight for, as Moon bat is doing repeatedly, is a sign only of your own disingenuous nature and lack of care in regards to discerning the functional truth to as great a measure as possible.

It is disgusting degrees of willful ignorance. Malicious degrees, as it were.
 
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