The Walking Dead

attog_sl said:

so it wasnt the girl spying on them and taking ricks blender but the cowardly asshole. how did that work out to be?

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TWD magic!

Really, not sure. Was trying to puzzle that out myself, but gave up trying.

My theory is there's a few people on the inside that are getting rid of any capable people before the wolves siege the city. The cowardly douchebag is playing an act, going on runs leading people to their doom.

Rhuma_sl said:

My theory is there's a few people on the inside that are getting rid of any capable people before the wolves siege the city. The cowardly douchebag is playing an act, going on runs leading people to their doom.

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so the coward dude ( and the sneaky girl?) are working with the wolves? i guess it would make sense for AMC, break something in the power station so they need to head over to the warehouse which is inexplicably stuffed with zombies. but the coward dude was in in just as much risk as everyone in the warehouse. the dude would have said something like "uh guys, i will wait in the van and cover your backs" then he seals them inside.

The wolves know Alexandria is there, filled with guns, food, water and electricity, easily scalable walls and yet nobody makes an attempt? Very curious indeed.

Rhuma_sl said:

The wolves know Alexandria is there, filled with guns, food, water and electricity, easily scalable walls and yet nobody makes an attempt? Very curious indeed.

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With the collecting zombie bodies and stringing people up to lure walkers (they said there are way more around) it could be they are trying to kill off as many as possible without going up against the people

Just going to go ahead and say it since Wolves are not in the comics and it could be any of 3 groups or none of them at all.
The wolves are outcasts of Alexandria. They know it's there because they was tossed out. THAT is why Deana/Alexandria needed Rick's group so much and would explain why the idiots there now didn't die in the first 6 months.
There used to be people there like Rick's group, but they were exiled. Hence the writing on walls/barns 3x Wolves are near now. To remind those in Alexandria to what lies outside the gates.

The female tied to the tree pretty much confirmed that to me this last episode. They want to show the horrible things this group does/did to get exiled. Butchering corpses/people/rape and so forth.
They know Rick is crazy but they know more crazy is outside those gates.

It's the only thing that makes sense. No way they survived zombies/crazy groups this long without a previous tough group. All they got is chickenshits, drunks and old people.

Still sticking with Daryl death as unlikely as it is and also possibly Gabriel/Tara for Rick's group.
Both unlikely but it's what my heart says.
Outside the group going with Pete, Nickolas and Reg( Deana's husband ).

That is a lot of dying and that much death would have probably triggered a social media shitstorm by now but it is what I feels.

I would have thought that Rick should have ended the fight in less than 5 seconds really. He's an experienced police officer from before the Z apocalypse.

He's been toughed further still by years out in the wild zombie filled world.

And yet he's nearly taken out by a doctor, who's fight experience is against a 5' 6" woman.
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Aside from that, also wondering if the W is carved on the forehead of existing zombies ( get close - trap or restrain them - carve W - let them go = huh? )

Or are the W a sign of being a member of the Wolves and is carved into the new recruits as a sign of your commitment. We'll see, or perhaps not.

Gamma Rays_sl said:

I would have thought that Rick should have ended the fight in less than 5 seconds really. He's an experienced police officer from before the Z apocalypse.

He's been toughed further still by years out in the wild zombie filled world.

And yet he's nearly taken out by a doctor, who's fight experience is against a 5' 6" woman.
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Aside from that, also wondering if the W is carved on the forehead of existing zombies ( get close - trap or restrain them - carve W - let them go = huh? )

Or are the W a sign of being a member and is carved into the new recruits as a sign of your commitment. We'll see, or perhaps not.

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The guy isn't exactly small, he is no Abraham but he is larger than Rick and drunk to boot. Rick had em though at the end and as I said before I truly think up until the end he really didn't want to hurt him. Not even sure at the end he wanted to do more than just knock his ass out .
As for the W's I think it is done just to simply show the people of Alexandria they are still out there.
I am convinced Deana and the people know of the Wolves but haven't told Rick or his people yet.

Yeah Rick started off trying to escalate. Guy swings, rick moves punches him back, the guy hits rick and rick trip to talk him down, saying you don't want to do this.

Then the dude hits his wife and rick snapped.

I thought maybe the W was something they did to the exiles then when they turned we saw them, but the cuts look like it was done once already turned.

I was lost on the part with Daryl. We're the limbs from a live human or a walker? Did they lure walkers with blonde lady then chop them up?

Gunnar_sl said:

Yeah Rick started off trying to escalate. Guy swings, rick moves punches him back, the guy hits rick and rick trip to talk him down, saying you don't want to do this.

Then the dude hits his wife and rick snapped.

I thought maybe the W was something they did to the exiles then when they turned we saw them, but the cuts look like it was done once already turned.

I was lost on the part with Daryl. We're the limbs from a live human or a walker? Did they lure walkers with blonde lady then chop them up?

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The limbs were from a black man wearing a clean coat the exact same color as Morgan. Cept the ring thing. Pretty sure that is a misdirect from the writers though.

Almost feel like we should be placing bets on if Hilldog actually knows what is up and is just stalling or if she's just another idiot.

I'd be pretty disappointed if she's all "WHAAAAAT!?" when the attack comes.

What doesn't make sense is that they've been surviving for what is it ... 2 years? More? The crew at Alexandria have been surviving as well. Now all of a sudden Rick is going to tell them they're all wrong. Well the proof is in the pudding. The people of Alexandria are alive and so is Rick's crew. Would Rick's crew do better in a scenario without the walls? Yep. But Alexandria has the walls. Trying to to use this "herp durp ur doing it wrong!" line makes no sense when they're clearly doing it right. Rick crew is bringing up the deaths but guess what Rick your crew has had a few causalities as well.

That is why I am certain the Wolves is ex Alexandrians. No way they survived like it was when Rick showed up.
The people out there used to protect Alexandria but they became the madness they defended against.
Look at the clues from the past.
Gov- Used to be a family man, nice guy. Lost family, daughter turned. Became murderer over time until pure evil. He almost came back from it then crazy took over.
Terminus- Actually let people in( and didn't eat them ) until they let in a bad group that murdered, raped, pillaged what they wanted. They took Terminus back but it became the new Atlanta BBQ.
Atlanta Hospital- Took in everyone. Realized no food for everyone. Started dictating who lived and who died. At the end became power/control freaks.

Speculation=
Alexandria- Built a community with tech- solar, medical, construction and more. HAD a group that did defense/Security. Overtime after playing god who lived who gets exiled became Rickazy started murdering people/raping got thrown out. Vows to come back, probably next week to blow the house down.
Rick's group doesn't know about that, but they probably will after next week.

As for timeline it is now 18 months after Zday.

So you're assuming the reason the crew was so bad at doing runs is because they never had to actually do runs? Why would they be so hard-on for not allowing Rick's crew control of the runs then if that was the case?

Tenks_sl said:

So you're assuming the reason the crew was so bad at doing runs is because they never had to actually do runs? Why would they be so hard-on for not allowing Rick's crew control of the runs then if that was the case?

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Eh? Never mentioned runs. Everyone has a job. Them being bad at runs has nothing to do with exiled murderous security.
Have you ever wondered why they pick loners/people not attached to life in Alexandria to do the recruiting?

The only thing that doesn't make sense is that who would be the one to throw out Alexandria's security? If they were far superior physically, then were tossed out (even if staggered) and now are some other group just lingering beyond the walls, what was ever to stop them from re-taking it? It's been shown Alexandria has basically zero defense aside from the walls. No guard towers, no lookouts, nothing until Rick and crew showed up.

I think it's going to be some lazy writing that the town has somehow miraculously avoided any outside group for all this time. It just wouldn't make sense any other way with the community's complete disregard to the most basic security measures for the world they live in.

Jysin_sl said:

The only thing that doesn't make sense is that who would be the one to throw out Alexandria's security? If they were far superior physically, then were tossed out (even if staggered) and now are some other group just lingering beyond the walls, what was ever to stop them from re-taking it? It's been shown Alexandria has basically zero defense aside from the walls. No guard towers, no lookouts, nothing until Rick and crew showed up.

I think it's going to be some lazy writing that the town has somehow miraculously avoided any outside group for all this time. It just wouldn't make sense any other way with the community's complete disregard to the most basic security measures for the world they live in.

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The security may not have gotten guns prior to being forced out. But if they have known to have issues in the past with getting "survivors" to run security don't you think they'd tighten up security around the gun locker instead of a small window latch and a land whale?

Jysin_sl said:

The only thing that doesn't make sense is that who would be the one to throw out Alexandria's security? If they were far superior physically, then were tossed out (even if staggered) and now are some other group just lingering beyond the walls, what was ever to stop them from re-taking it? It's been shown Alexandria has basically zero defense aside from the walls. No guard towers, no lookouts, nothing until Rick and crew showed up.

I think it's going to be some lazy writing that the town has somehow miraculously avoided any outside group for all this time. It just wouldn't make sense any other way with the community's complete disregard to the most basic security measures for the world they live in.

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Look how much Rick's group supports him/looks up to him but still allowed him to be knocked out for being crazy.
They have done a decent job showing how much people respect Deana's wishes. Even down to the point Rick did himself by not killing Pete after she said not too.
I wouldn't say the exiled people were completely batshit insane when they were exiled but were Rick crazy and once outside the gate started fighting over rabbit halves and claiming shit.
I also think Nickolas or at least SOMEONE in Alexandria is helping them or giving them information. Again all speculation but that is where I am going with it.

Would be interested seeing others full predictions, at least I got a plan!

Tenks_sl said:

The security may not have gotten guns prior to being forced out. But if they have known to have issues in the past with getting "survivors" to run security don't you think they'd tighten up security around the gun locker instead of a small window latch and a land whale?

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Look at who was in Alexandria. I can't name one person capable of security in that place Pre Rick that we saw. They have had Aaron and Deana say a few times they NEEDED a group like Rick's. Why? Why were they ok 18 months and now need them, unless they did something to warrant needing badasses all a sudden to fight badasses.

They managed to have a lot of deaths despite their walls, electricity, running water, etc. And all of their people who are marginally capable of fetching supplies are dying off. Remember construction guy who panicked and quit? Fagbro seems to be the only useful person, and that might just be because he has Daryl along with him.

Nooooot really fair to compare their experience with team Rick.

EDIT: Also, possible that they had other capable groups come and they weeded them out through divide and conquer. Like we just saw with Rick. Some people become more loyal to the walls and hot showers than their old "family." Eventually, the ones that stayed became domesticated and weak.