The Zionists are whining thread

Beef Supreme_sl · Feb 5, 2013

Dis_sl said:
Everything aside, I agree with your support sentiment. Having said that, I think the same for pretty much every country that is receiving foreign aid from the US.

Agreed.

Although, just because I abhor Israel doesn't mean that I simultaneously support the radical arab/muslim governments surrounding it. Further, Israel throws off the balance of power in the ME, so all this radical fundamentalist shit, although also propped up and put into place by the US, further solidifies their hold to power; crazy begets craziness.

fanaskin · Feb 19, 2013

Araysar · Mar 4, 2013

Magic Numbers_sl said:
Sounds like you have some strong opinions about the Palestinians, Wombat. What solutions would you offer to the problems in the region?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...tlers-1.506869

3/4/13 Haaretz.Com
http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-...ngPath=2.169%?1/1
Israel introduces 'Palestinian only' bus lines, following complaints from
Jewish settlers
Afikim bus company to have special buses for Palestinian workers commuting from the West Bank to jobs in central Israel;
announcement follows complaints from settlers that Palestinians are a security risk.
By Chaim Levinson | Mar.03, 2013 | 12:10 PM | 164
Starting on Monday, certain buses running from the West Bank into central Israel will have separate lines for Jews and Arabs.
The Afikim bus company will begin operating Palestinian-only bus lines from the checkpoints to Gush Dan to prevent Palestinians from
boarding buses with Jewish passengers. Palestinians are not allowed to enter settlements, and instead board buses from several bus stops on the
Trans-Samaria highway.
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Last November, Haaretz reported that the Transportation Ministry was looking into such a plan due to pressure from the late mayor of Ariel,
Ron Nahman, and the head of the Karnei Shomron Local Council. They said residents had complained that Palestinians on their buses were a
security risk.
The buses will begin operating Monday morning at the Eyal crossing to take the Palestinians to work in Israel. Transportation Ministry officials
are not officially calling them segregated buses, but rather bus lines intended to relieve the distress of the Palestinian workers. Ynet has
reported that fliers are being distributed to Palestinian workers notifying them of the coming changes.
Any Palestinian who holds an entrance permit to the State of Israel is allowed by law to use public transportation. Officials at the Samaria and
Judea District Police have said there is no change in the operation of the rest of the buses, nor is there any intention to remove Palestinians
from other bus lines. But Haaretz has in the past reported incidents when Palestinians were taken off of buses, and witnesses at checkpoints say
that such incidents are ongoing.
Ofra Yeshua-Lyth is a member of Machsom Watch, a female advocacy group monitoring West Bank checkpoints. She says that recently, Bus
286 from Tel Aviv to Samaria arrived at a checkpoint filled with Palestinian workers. She filed the following report:
"Police officer Advanced Staff Sergeant Major Shai Zecharia stops the bus at the bus stop. Soldiers order all the Palestinians off the bus. The
first thing they do is collect all their identity cards as they get off. One by one, the Palestinians are told to go away from the bus stop and walk to
the Azzun Atma checkpoint, which is about 2.5 kilometers away from the Shaar Shomron interchange. All of them responded with restraint and
sadness, at most asking why. Here and there they received answers such as, ?You?re not allowed on Highway 5? and ?You?re not allowed on public
transportation.? Advanced Staff Sergeant Major Zecharia gave some vital information to one of the older Palestinians who had arrived there,
telling him: You should ride in special vans, not on Israeli buses.?
In response to the report, the Transportation Ministry said it "has not issued any instruction or prohibition that prevents Palestinian workers
from riding the public bus lines in Israel or in Judea and Samaria. Furthermore, the Transportation Ministry is not authorized to prevent any
passangers from riding those lines."
"The two new lines that will be run as of tomorrow (Monday) are intended to improve the services to Palestinian workers that enter Israel via
the Eyal Crossing," the ministry's statement continued, adding that the new lines will replace the "pirate" driving services who have been
transporting Palestinian workers "at exorbitant prices and in an irregular fashion."
According to the ministry, the new lines will depart from the Tzofim area near Qalqilyah and will transport workers to their places of work in
the Sharon region and Tel Aviv, at "especially cheap prices." For example, the tariff for traveling to Kfar Sava or Raanana will be NIS 5.1, and
to Tel Aviv will cost NIS 10.6. This is compared to some NIS 40 that passengers have been charged by the private transportation services for
each direction, the ministry said.
"The new lines will lessen the burden that has formed on buses as a result of the increase in numbers of working permits provided to
Palestinians, who are permitted to work in Israel and will contribute to the improvements of services, for the betterment of Israelis and
Palestinians as one", the statement said.
The Samaria and Judea District Police have yet to respond to the report.
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Mire_sl · Mar 4, 2013

Hehehe...

Araxen · Jun 20, 2013

Israel has been busted torturing children. How low will they go?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...95J0UJ20130620

alestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N(Reuters) -

By Stephanie Nebehay
GENEVA | Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:35pm EDT

A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.

Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, captured by Israel in the 1967 war, are routinely denied registration of their birth and access to health care, decent schools and clean water, the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child said.

"Palestinian children arrested by (Israeli) military and police are systematically subject to degrading treatment, and often to acts of torture, are interrogated in Hebrew, a language they did not understand, and sign confessions in Hebrew in order to be released," it said in a report.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry said it had responded to a report by the U.N. children's agency UNICEF in March on ill-treatment of Palestinian minors and questioned whether the U.N. committee's investigation covered new ground.

"If someone simply wants to magnify their political bias and political bashing of Israel not based on a new report, on work on the ground, but simply recycling old stuff, there is no importance in that," spokesman Yigal Palmor said.

Kirsten Sandberg, a Norwegian expert who chairs the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child, said the report was based on facts, not on the political opinions of its members.

"We look at what violations of children's rights are going on within Israeli jurisdiction," she told Reuters.

She said Israel did not acknowledge that it had jurisdiction in the occupied territories, but the committee believed it does, meaning it has a responsibility to comply with the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child.

The report by its 18 independent experts acknowledged Israel's national security concerns and noted that children on both sides of the conflict continue to be killed and wounded, but that more casualties are Palestinian.

Most Palestinian children arrested are accused of throwing stones, which can carry a penalty of up to 20 years in prison, the committee said.

The watchdog examined Israel's record of compliance with the children's rights convention as part of its regular review of the pact from 1990 signed by 193 countries, including Israel. An Israeli delegation attended the session.

The U.N. committee regretted what it called Israel's persistent refusal to respond to requests for information on children in the Palestinian territories and occupied Syrian Golan Heights since the last review in 2002.

"DISPROPORTIONATE"

"Hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed and thousands injured over the reporting period as a result of (Israeli) military operations, especially in Gaza," the report said.

Israel battled a Palestinian uprising during part of the 10-year period examined by the committee.

It withdrew its troops and settlers from the Gaza Strip in 2005, but still blockades the Hamas-run enclave, from where Palestinian militants have sometimes fired rockets into Israel.

During the 10-year period, an estimated 7,000 Palestinian children aged 12 to 17, but some as young as nine, had been arrested, interrogated and detained, the U.N. report said.

Many are brought in leg chains and shackles before military courts, while youths are held in solitary confinement, sometimes for months, the report said.

It voiced deep concern at the "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants", saying 14 such cases had been reported between January 2010 and March 2013 alone.

Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings before them and to stand in front of military vehicles to deter stone-throwing, it said.

Almost all had remained unpunished or had received lenient sentences, according to the report.

Sandberg, asked about Israeli use of human shields, said: "It has been done more than they would recognize during the dialogue. They say if it happens it is sanctioned. We say it is not harsh enough."

(Reporting by Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva and Allyn Fisher-Ilan in Jerusalem; editing by Alistair Lyon and Raissa Kasolowsky)

TrollfaceDeux · Jun 20, 2013

Araxen_sl said:
How low will they go?

until dune coons disappear from the face of this earth

it's not like dune coons don't use human shields.

oh no. they respect human rights.

chthonic-anemos · Sep 3, 2013

Pasteton · Sep 9, 2013

This is a chicken or egg question. Did Israel create the monster, or did they become a monster in response to their enemies actions? Its most likely a downward spiral. Regardless, playing morality gods from over here is a very self righteous position to take, whether pro Israel or not. Remember 9-11? Remember how many pro-bush there were in the weeks after the attack?(not months, I mean weeks).

OneofOne · Sep 9, 2013

No, it's not really at all. Someone over at FoH typed up a REALLY good writeup on the how's and why's things ended up the way they did today, going back quite a few decades, that I wish we had for this thread. While not a black and white issue, it's also not as hopelessly convoluted as you make it sound. The thing you also seem to miss is, to some of these zionists, it really doesn't matter who did what to do when - the bible promised the land to them, and that's the end of the story. You can't reason with that line of thought.

Pasteton · Sep 9, 2013

Are the actions of Israel a complete, direct result of Zionist beliefs? Because you seem to imply that. I don't know if that's necessarily the case. Maybe their actions can be perceived as such, but their motivations are clouded and probably are a complex mishmash of patriotism, racism, and yes even self defense

tad10 · Sep 9, 2013

What a stupid thread. Kudos!

chthonic-anemos · Sep 9, 2013

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=43f_1370313451

Erronius · Sep 9, 2013

chthonic-anemos_sl said:

ROFL at that dude.

http://www.summitdaily.com/article/2...NEWS/101250067

http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20070614/NEWS/70614053

BRECKENRIDGE " A six-person jury found Warren W. Smith guilty of harassing a local street preacher Thursday, but not until evidence was presented about a trip to the X Games, the spiritual significance of skulls and a description of King Arthur's sword.

Smith will be sentenced on July 31 at 3:30 p.m.

Smith, a Dillon resident who recycles rubber, represented himself Thursday against allegations that he verbally threatened to kill Milton Kapner on Jan. 30 as Kapner, otherwise known as Brother Nathaniel, a well-known street evangelist, was dancing and singing about Jesus to evening commuters.

Kapner, who often evangelizes on the corner of Highway 9 and Wildernest Road, testified that on the evening of Jan. 30, Smith was threatening him from across Highway 9 while carrying the prosecution's main exhibit: a makeshift flagpole (a broom handle taped to a 3-foot sword) attached to a pirate skull-and-crossbones flag, as well as an American flag.

The flagpole was topped with a human skull with "Nathaniel" written in red ink across the forehead. According to Kapner, Smith began shouting, "I love you Brother Nathaniel," before shouting, "Come over here, you little worm, I'm going to kill you."

Also interesting that he used to be a Jew himself.

chthonic-anemos · Sep 9, 2013

They were amnestied some months later and given a state pardon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte

Folke Bernadotte, Count of Wisborg (in Swedish: Greve af Wisborg; 2 January 1895 ? 17 September 1948) was a Swedish diplomat and nobleman noted for his negotiation of the release of about 31,000 prisoners from German concentration camps during World War II, including 450 Danish Jews from Theresienstadt released on 14 April 1945.[1][2][3] In 1945, he received a German surrender offer from Heinrich Himmler, though the offer was ultimately rejected.

After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab?Israeli conflict of 1947?1948. He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the militant Zionist terrorist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties. The decision to murder him had been taken by Natan Yellin-Mor, Yisrael Eldad andYitzhak Shamir, who later became Prime Minister of Israel.

kudos · Sep 9, 2013

If the US didn't subsidize these fuckers they'd be destroyed by now.

Frenzied Wombat · Sep 10, 2013

wrong thread..

Frenzied Wombat · Sep 10, 2013

Araysar_sl said:
Israel exploits America to fight its proxy wars for them, it doesnt have to kill Americans when it already makes arabs do it for them. Unless its something like USS Liberty, yano to create more wars.

Lmao. That's right, Israel doesn't blow Americans up, they've just manipulated all the Arabs of the world to do it for them over the last 50+ years. Do you not fathom how utterly ridiculous this sounds? That's right, it has nothing to do with the fact that American culture and democracy being diametrically opposed to radical muslim dictatorships.. Nothing to do with oil either of course. It's all those scheming Zionists greedily rubbing their palms together while cackling over a spinning globe that is the Earth. Poor 'Merica, obviously such a dumb, weak, puppet government ruled by Israel, right?

Seriously dude, you should put down your conspiracy books and underground "America is lying to you-- The TRUTH is here!" websites, buy a ticket to Tel-Aviv, then visit Jarusalem, Sederot, and Mash'En. Go see shit with your own eyes. Go talk to the Arabs that live in Israel that ironically have the highest median income and longest lifespan of all Arabs in the middle east. You couldn't PAY them to move to any Arab nation. Go watch the soldiers do their patrols and see the shit they have to deal with. Go take a look at the Arab textbooks vs the Israeli textbooks. Go compare how an Arab woman is treated vs an Israeli woman. Go see things with your own EYES, then come back and talk, K? The fact of the matter is that if America was Israel, the Palestinians territories would be a pile of ash by now.

But you know what? Arguing with you and Foreskin about the Evil Empire that supposedly represents Israel is entirely futile. All I can say is that if you feel that strongly about them, then you should probably renounce your US citizenship, because historically we've done far worse than Israel ever has. Go move to Switzerland or something, you should start feeling much better.

So, to make this argument easier for you I'll hypothetically concede that Israel is pure evil bent solely on exterminating Palestinian lives (despite rocketing Gaza population and obesity), and pulling the strings on their puppet empire that is the USA. Let's just assume that's all true, ok? Having been there and across the middle east, I would STILL support them more than every Arab nation combined. Why? Well, I value a nation's worth based on three criterion.

1) How does the nation contribute to the world as a whole? Things like education, research, technology, and medicine. The things that continue to separate us from the average mammal and enrich everybody's lives.

2) How does the nation treat its own populace? Is there free speech? Freedom of religion? Women's rights? Can people vote? Does the government subjugate its own citizenry?

3) How does the nation interact and treat neighboring nations and the rest of the world?

In relation to point #1, I'll referencehttp://www.imninalu.net/Israel-Arabs.htm. In regards to #2 if it isn't painfully obvious, again reference my suggestion to go visit the region with your own eyes. In regards to #3 we'll go along with your hypothesis that Israel is the Evil Empire, ok?

So, in light of the above, despite Israel being the supposed Darth Sidius of the middle east, I still value them as a nation 1000X more than the backwards, barbaric, don't-contribute-shit-to-mankind that is the rest of the middle east. To me, the fact that a tiny ass nation has accomplished so much, turning a literal desert into lush farmland and managing to invent so much medicine and technology that they are only behind the US and Canada in terms of the number of Nasdaq listings is nothing short of amazing. What the fuck have the Arabs made to help the world, despite literally unlimited funding that can be generated by simply digging holes in the ground?

P.S: Please be sure to dispose of your USB thumb drive, cell phone, X-box Kinect, and CPU as these are al Israeli developed technologies or contain components developed there, and by purchasing them you are indirectly supporting the deaths of Gaza babies at the hands of rabid Israeli soldiers.

Araysar · Sep 10, 2013

I dont really care what the Zionists do. They can do whatever they want and reap the consequences of those actions. I'm just tired of them buying off our politicians and then hiding behind our back like that big mouthed snot nosed little brother that talks shit to everyone in the schoolyard and then runs to us to protect them when people finally had enough.

They are not out friend, not our ally. Just read what their Prime Ministers say about us. They steal from us, spy on us, and undermine us. We are nothing more to them than a big, dumb, strong cash pinata. It's not some binary decision that because I oppose zionists that I automatically support arabs or Palestinians, they have plenty of their own issues too. But at least arabs make no qualms about letting us know where they stand.

Lots of misdirected anger on your behalf, bro. I suggest seeing a therapist.

Araysar · Sep 10, 2013

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
Lotsa derp

I dont really care what the Zionists do. They can do whatever they want and reap the consequences of those actions. I'm just tired of them buying off our politicians and then hiding behind our back like that big mouthed snot nosed little brother that talks shit to everyone in the schoolyard and then runs to us to protect them when people finally had enough.

They are not out friend, not our ally. Just read what their Prime Ministers say about us. They steal from us, spy on us, and undermine us. We are nothing more to them than a big, dumb, strong cash pinata. It's not some binary decision that because I oppose zionists that I automatically support arabs or Palestinians, they have plenty of their own issues too. But at least arabs make no qualms about letting us know where they stand.

Lots of misdirected anger on your behalf, bro. I suggest seeing a therapist.

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 10, 2013

Jews control American media.

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