Theater Chain Death Watch? Chapter 11s inc

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Harshaw

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do these people lose less money by being closed than being open? cuz if it was my theater, i would be open in any way i could. id limit attendance and put up plastic screens around the concessions. but i would be open.

First off. What are you gonna show? lol. Not sure how many will risk it for old movies. Than I think it becomes a licensing fee issue. Are you gonna get enough people in seats to make money. You can only jack up concessions so high.
 

Chukzombi

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First off. What are you gonna show? lol. Not sure how many will risk it for old movies. Than I think it becomes a licensing fee issue. Are you gonna get enough people in seats to make money. You can only jack up concessions so high.
i dunno, id try to get a few releases, maybe not Black Widow or some other top tier shit, but hundreds of movies get released every year. i could probably get some of that cheddar and if i was the only game in town and i provided a safe environment for customers i could roll 3 or 4 releases across ten screens and social distance people all around. i bet many would love having an almost private theater experience for themselves. i could make that shit work, at least enough so i could cover operating costs and stay in business.
 

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AMC Theaters CEO Adam Aron told investors that these new measures -- ranging from frequent sterilization of venues to limited capacity and more -- would ultimately be "passed on to the consumers," indicating that this would be in the form of increased food and beverage prices or higher ticket prices.
 
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AMC Theaters CEO Adam Aron told investors that these new measures -- ranging from frequent sterilization of venues to limited capacity and more -- would ultimately be "passed on to the consumers," indicating that this would be in the form of increased food and beverage prices or higher ticket prices.

Betcha they wont
 
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Mahes

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At this point they would have to pay me to go see a movie....
 
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AMC Theaters CEO Adam Aron told investors that these new measures -- ranging from frequent sterilization of venues to limited capacity and more -- would ultimately be "passed on to the consumers," indicating that this would be in the form of increased food and beverage prices or higher ticket prices.
In other words, theater chains are dead.
 

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AMC Theaters CEO Adam Aron told investors that these new measures -- ranging from frequent sterilization of venues to limited capacity and more -- would ultimately be "passed on to the consumers," indicating that this would be in the form of increased food and beverage prices or higher ticket prices.
and they're gone.
 
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Armadon

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SO what does Hollywood do with no theaters now? Are we just going to get made for TV stuff now? Will studios create there own streaming services to sell their movies on?
 

Locnar

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SO what does Hollywood do with no theaters now? Are we just going to get made for TV stuff now? Will studios create there own streaming services to sell their movies on?

I enjoy lower budget things anyways.
 

Chukzombi

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SO what does Hollywood do with no theaters now? Are we just going to get made for TV stuff now? Will studios create there own streaming services to sell their movies on?
nobody gonna buy into mass streaming services. it would have to be multiple services bundled into one, then they may as well call it cable tv.
 

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everyone is experimenting

Disney: Mulan on D+ for $30, on TOP of d+ sub. Will it attract even more D+ subs? Thats a big guaranteed revenue stream for them, if they can get people to sub to D+ and stay subbed by putting out 8-15 "big" movies (that you pay extra for!) every year, it probably is more overall money than theatrical release for Disney. The shitty thing is probably Netflix is looking at this and thinking "hmmm.... how can we start charging a premium for new shit..."

Universal, Warner Bros: experimenting with VOD. Scoob, Trolls World Tour, King of Staten Island, and others are going straight to VOD for $15-25. Trolls made over $100m in 3 weeks, 85% of which goes to the distributor for VODs. Probably way more profitable than if it had gone to theaters. They get even more money later when the movie is sold to streaming sites like Netflix or HBO.

I imagine between the backlog of movies that are all waiting to be released and new productions starting up (New Zealand is filming Avatar right now for example) its gonna be harder and harder for Hollywood to figure out how much they care about movie theaters.
 

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Disney: Mulan on D+ for $30, on TOP of d+ sub. Will it attract even more D+ subs? Thats a big guaranteed revenue stream for them, if they can get people to sub to D+ and stay subbed by putting out 8-15 "big" movies (that you pay extra for!) every year, it probably is more overall money than theatrical release for Disney. The shitty thing is probably Netflix is looking at this and thinking "hmmm.... how can we start charging a premium for new shit..."

Universal, Warner Bros: experimenting with VOD. Scoob, Trolls World Tour, King of Staten Island, and others are going straight to VOD for $15-25. Trolls made over $100m in 3 weeks, 85% of which goes to the distributor for VODs. Probably way more profitable than if it had gone to theaters. They get even more money later when the movie is sold to streaming sites like Netflix or HBO.

I imagine between the backlog of movies that are all waiting to be released and new productions starting up (New Zealand is filming Avatar right now for example) its gonna be harder and harder for Hollywood to figure out how much they care about movie theaters.


The futures so bright I gotta wear shades

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kegkilla

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SO what does Hollywood do with no theaters now? Are we just going to get made for TV stuff now? Will studios create there own streaming services to sell their movies on?
There will probably be a lot of reorganization in the short term in the way the studios and TV networks do business. I wouldn't be surprised to see more streaming services attempted and I wouldn't be surprised to see more consolidation between the major studios in the next decade. I think the result is going to be a model for selling movies at a price that is commensurate with a movie's budget. Disney is poised to sell Mulan at $30 on top of their Disney+ sub fee. I can see the price going even higher, $40 or $50, for their big tentpole movies like Avengers and Star Wars. Then at the other end, you can have low budget stuff like comedy and rom-coms for $15 or $20. Overall we'll probably see movie budgets take a slashing and a big chunk of that will be the pay for actors and directors. I don't think theaters are going to completely disappear in the short term, but there will be far less of them, and they will get better terms from studios.

Only thing I'm sure about is that the incentive for piracy is about to go straight to the moon and we're going to see the studios attack the bigger trackers with all their might in the near future. Time to up those ratios and diversify your tracker portfolios.
 

kegkilla

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There will probably be a lot of reorganization in the short term in the way the studios and TV networks do business. I wouldn't be surprised to see more streaming services attempted and I wouldn't be surprised to see more consolidation between the major studios in the next decade. I think the result is going to be a model for selling movies at a price that is commensurate with a movie's budget. Disney is poised to sell Mulan at $30 on top of their Disney+ sub fee. I can see the price going even higher, $40 or $50, for their big tentpole movies like Avengers and Star Wars. Then at the other end, you can have low budget stuff like comedy and rom-coms for $15 or $20. Overall we'll probably see movie budgets take a slashing and a big chunk of that will be the pay for actors and directors. I don't think theaters are going to completely disappear in the short term, but there will be far less of them, and they will get better terms from studios.

Only thing I'm sure about is that the incentive for piracy is about to go straight to the moon and we're going to see the studios attack the bigger trackers with all their might in the near future. Time to up those ratios and diversify your tracker portfolios.
One other comment - moving to a digital model is going to put more emphasis on the international markets for the studios to capture revenue. So expect the China pandering that the studios do to get kicked up another few notches.
 

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SO what does Hollywood do with no theaters now? Are we just going to get made for TV stuff now? Will studios create there own streaming services to sell their movies on?

Well, the DOJ said they were going to move forward to end the Paramount Consent Decrees, which was the thing that prevented studios from owning theater chains. If they go ahead with that plan and the movie theaters go under, I guess we could see the Disneyplex, the Universal Movie House, etc. I imagine Disney owns enough properties to hold open a 16 screen theater only showing their current stuff, plus things from the vault, plus any indie movie they buy before Netflix and Amazon.
 

Chukzombi

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There will probably be a lot of reorganization in the short term in the way the studios and TV networks do business. I wouldn't be surprised to see more streaming services attempted and I wouldn't be surprised to see more consolidation between the major studios in the next decade. I think the result is going to be a model for selling movies at a price that is commensurate with a movie's budget. Disney is poised to sell Mulan at $30 on top of their Disney+ sub fee. I can see the price going even higher, $40 or $50, for their big tentpole movies like Avengers and Star Wars. Then at the other end, you can have low budget stuff like comedy and rom-coms for $15 or $20. Overall we'll probably see movie budgets take a slashing and a big chunk of that will be the pay for actors and directors. I don't think theaters are going to completely disappear in the short term, but there will be far less of them, and they will get better terms from studios.

Only thing I'm sure about is that the incentive for piracy is about to go straight to the moon and we're going to see the studios attack the bigger trackers with all their might in the near future. Time to up those ratios and diversify your tracker portfolios.
its not gonna be something they could stop. not with everyone having a 1080p or 4k quality camera in their backpocket with a mostly empty theater to record whatever. new video downloader websites pop up every day and most of them are based outside of the US. good luck squishing every single one of them. more will be up the next day though. and even if they somehow stopped all the piracy. its not going to bring back all their revenue. people will just watch whatever they already pay for at home.
 

Goatface

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up to 30 people - $150 (pretax) + $150 in food (pre tax/tip) = choice of 40ish movies.
limits on people options are all the same price, but can pick smaller numbers. i don't know if these are the full sized rooms or smaller ones.
 

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Well, the DOJ said they were going to move forward to end the Paramount Consent Decrees, which was the thing that prevented studios from owning theater chains. If they go ahead with that plan and the movie theaters go under, I guess we could see the Disneyplex, the Universal Movie House, etc. I imagine Disney owns enough properties to hold open a 16 screen theater only showing their current stuff, plus things from the vault, plus any indie movie they buy before Netflix and Amazon.

Not 100% sure that will be a good thing. It will be like every shithead trying to make their own streaming site, except now they do it with theaters also.

"Remember kids, you can only see Avengers 28 at DisneyPlex!"

Either that or they cut costs to make it harder for other theaters to compete. Even if tickets were a few bucks less and concessions were a buck or two less at the studio run joint, that would make for a huge incentive for people to go to those theaters. The studios can eat the cost cut because they make money on the tickets and the concessions now (movie theaters have jacked up concession prices because they only get a very small % of the ticket price as profit, so food is how they stay in business).
 
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SO what does Hollywood do with no theaters now? Are we just going to get made for TV stuff now? Will studios create there own streaming services to sell their movies on?
My hope is that the govt or someone steps in to prevent studios from owning these distribution chains (there may already be regulation preventing that, similar to how they won't let car companies just buy up all the dealerships). I'd prefer theaters go back to being owned by independent companies/people/groups rather than these massive chains, that they become more of a niche experience like they used to be.

I think that only happens if they are able to find a way to make their oceans of money via streaming. Otherwise, yeah, Disneyplex28 will be the only movie theater chain in the US and that will be that.