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My answer is complex... in the simplest answer that you are seeking I would say I would want zero "normal" kids to be sacrificed to afford very young trannies comfort. But you see the crux of this issue is that I can also say in that same breath that I would want to zero transkids to suffer just to entirely halt puberty blocker / HRT implementation either. It's not a willful dodging of any question (this entire thread is a testament to me answering any and all questions posed at me about anything and everything), it's that it's too complex to JUST say zero. Because here again, it sounds like what many of you are saying is "fuck the 20%... let them suffer" and as I stated before, you all tell me how THAT sentiment is NOT child abuse too? Because they're fucking weirdos with a mental problem? That shit ain't right either and you're back to square one dealing with suffering children.

I think anyone anytime could have later regret. You asked me personally, however, and can say no... never had regrets and I'm extremely happy with my life, how my transition went, and wouldn't change a thing. The ONLY thing I wrestled with was the moral dilemma of it all. Y'know... how to rectify or justify this choice with my relationship with God/Jesus. As we all well know, the church doesn't exactly condone transgenderism heh. I can safely say that, even with all that, that that issue is safely behind me too and everything jives quite well.

There's also another facet to all this that I have dwelled upon and it's difficult to describe (partly because it's a long explanation to begin with and partly because I'm still working out the "kinks" in it) but it would be well suited to a video moreso than a post. But in a nutshell it deals with exactly what you're asking and how to justify this scientifically and (more as to what the peanut gallery is pressing me on) ethically.


Panface, I don't mean this to be insulting, but based on what you say about this topic (and say often) you are either:

A) Dense as lead
B) Not paying attention
C) Thinking about all of this in entirely a backwards way.

I can't accurately discern exact what scenario is more likely with you.

"This problem wouldn't exist if trannies didn't exist"

Do you not understand that trannies have existed since at least Biblical times? I mean seriously, are you aware of this fact at all?

You say "this wouldn't exist if trannies didn't exist" as if we were beamed down by Scotty in the past 10 years and have the option to just pack up our things and be beamed u[ any time we're ready... I mean what the fuck?

Yeah man... you know, like, suicide wouldn't exist if depressed people didn't exist, man! <--- that's what you sound like.

Also, can someone besides ME inform Panface how many times on this forum I have said it's a mental illness? But you're asking me why can't I just simply admit that this is a mental illness? Ridiculous.

Yeah...the problem with you is you think the solution is gender treatment instead of treating it as mental illness.

You justify your existence by thinking gender dysmorphia is somehow legitimate. Your problem that you force on others to accept.

No Vanessa Vanessa , you make this into an issue when it is not really an issue. You try to make transgender acceptable when it is a waste of resource and backward in all sense of reasoning.

You preach your gospels like a charletan that you are and your being is nothing but toxic to every men and women that is suffering from mental illness.

Your solution to this issue is evil and insanity.
 
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Isn't there this movement of circumcision regret? like these regretters are saying "i was NOT given the option to get circumcised when i was born, NOW i'm half a man!!!"

in a few years we'll have kids that are pre-teen go trans and now they'll regret it soon.
 
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Yeah...the problem with you is you think the solution is gender treatment instead of treating it as mental illness.

You justify your existence by thinking gender dysmorphia is somehow legitimate. Your problem that you force on others to accept.

No Vanessa Vanessa , you make this into an issue when it is not really an issue. You try to make transexual acceptable when it is a waste of resource and backward in all sense of reasoning.
Holy fucking SHIT dude... you are STILL wayyy back there in thinking GD isn't even real. Spell this out with me: W I L L F U L - I G N O R A N C E.

In case you missed it, I have also stated that what I would PREFER is a better medicine / solution / treatment that becomes available that would eliminate the need for social transition altogether because I have ADMITTED that social transition is messy and imperfect.

So, AGAIN, you are either not paying attention to what I have been saying about ALL of this or just dense.

Also, don't conflate me with leftist trannies out there and the LGBTQWTF agenda... I have never forced anything on anyone; ever. I think some of you forget that they're my enemies too.
 
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Gender dysphoria isn't real. It's a symptom of an underlying REAL mental disorder. Treating symptoms never solves the problem.
 
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Holy fucking SHIT dude... you are STILL wayyy back there in thinking GD isn't even real. Spell this out with me: W I L L F U L - I G N O R A N C E.

Being skeptical is not ignorance nor is it willful. It is natural and it is the way of scientific thinking.
In case you missed it, I have also stated that what I would PREFER is a better medicine / solution / treatment that becomes available that would eliminate the need for social transition altogether because I have ADMITTED that social transition is messy and imperfect.

Yeah how about removing the GD as a diagnosis altogether and come up with a better solution so that we don't fuck up the society.

So, AGAIN, you are either not paying attention to what I have been saying about ALL of this or just dense.
I admit. I came here late. I did not read half the post here cuz...I don't really care any transgender issue
Also, don't conflate me with leftist trannies out there and the LGBTQWTF agenda... I have never forced anything on anyone; ever. I think some of you forget that they're my enemies too.

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My response to Psyek I think should answer your post too LLR, perhaps with this exception: Unless there are some clear cut cases of children who have overwhelmingly clear-cut cases of GD (like Jazz Jennings), how will ever know that puberty blockers ARE effective? See the catch 22 of this?

If you think your reply sufficiently responds to my own, then you didn't read my post carefully enough, because I already addressed the catch 22 aspect of the situation. Since you seem to have be having difficulty seeing it, allow me to expand on that aspect of the problem.

The catch-22 is: you cannot predict the effects of puberty on a child who presents as trans before puberty. Puberty may remove the trans presenting issue, or it may not, but you cannot know ahead of time unless you're going to claim that science is capable of perfect prediction, which it is not now nor is science likely to ever possess that capability. Regardless of any scans done on someone's brain before puberty, any tests of their endocrinology, or anything else, science simply is incapable of perfectly predicting 5 years in the future of an individual. There are simply too many variables to consider.

So, faced with this catch-22, we as a people have to do a cost-benefit analysis. We have potential harm, and potential benefit.

-The potential harm is that the child will be permanently disfigured and rendered incapable of reproducing. Keep in mind that reproducing is the primary drive governed by our biology, and taking that ability away from a person is a tremendous harm to that individual.
-The potential benefit is that the child will feel better about themselves later in life, but this is not guaranteed. And before you cite the scientific study to claim that it is guaranteed, a study CANNOT provide a guarantee. It can only measure past results, not future outcomes.

Also, consider the magnitude of the potential benefit in this situation. Here I'm quoting from the last line in the study you keep quoting: all of 70 eligible candidates showed improved mental health and general functioning. This is the best case scenario: improved mental health and general functioning. Not normal, not satisfactory, not 'great!', but 'improved'.

Improved from what? Suicidal? Gloomy? Irritated? Anxious? It's inherently a relative and shifting standard.

We also know that it is possible to have great functioning in life after puberty is completed if you don't go through with hormone blockers before puberty and you present as trans. How do we know this? Because of you, Vanessa. Your life proceeded exactly this way, and you claim to be fine. So, it must be possible, unless you're an extreme outlier which I doubt.


So, faced with the possible harm of permanent damage to a child who is not old enough to decide for himself what is best for him, with the possible benefit of merely 'improved' mental health later in life and knowing that 'improved' and 'totally satisfactory' mental health is possible later in life WITHOUT undergoing puberty blockers early in life, we must conclude that the potential harm outweighs the potential benefit AND that there are viable alternative methods to achieve the same result.

After running this cost-benefit analysis and weighing the ethic of protecting children who cannot be responsible for their own decisions from harming themselves or from being harmed by others as higher than the ethic of improving the mental health of adults, the ethic of protecting children wins out.


TL ; DR : Until such time as science or some other force is capable of perfectly predicting the future outcome of any child below the age of puberty, it will be unethical to allow a child to undergo puberty blocking hormones in an effort to improve their future mental health.
 
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Being skeptical is not ignorance nor is it willful. It is natural and it is the way of scientific thinking.
Homie, when I have provided a TON of evidence indicating it is a legitimate and real thing... "being skeptical" seems a bit of a silly way of putting it.

Yeah how about removing the GD as a diagnosis altogether and come up with a better solution so that we don't fuck up the society.
I'll bite, though I think I may already know what you're going to say.

When I ask you, then, WHAT is the mechanism that makes perfectly healthy men and women think they are the opposite sex, want to be the opposite sex, or find incogruence in their current sex if it is NOT what science has defined as Gender Dysphoria?

I'm trying to be nice about this here. Take your time to think it over and reply in kind.

I admit. I came here late. I did not read half the post here cuz...I don't really care any transgender issue
On this front, you are forgiven, and I understand and empathize.
 
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When I ask you, then, WHAT is the mechanism that makes perfectly healthy men and women think they are the opposite sex, want to be the opposite sex, or find incogruence in their current sex if it is NOT what science has defined as Gender Dysphoria?

I'm trying to be nice about this here. Take your time to think it over and reply in kind.

I don't know if we should accept the opinion of people who think they should be an opposite sex of ANY kind at face value.
 
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Also, don't conflate me with leftist trannies out there and the LGBTQWTF agenda... I have never forced anything on anyone; ever. I think some of you forget that they're my enemies too.
what? yea you have, you have tried to force this whole imaginary "gender dysphoria" myth that no one here believes either than you and a few other stragglers. We all think Trans is a mental disorder, theres a mexican electrician doing some burrito wiring in that brain.

there's no difference between gender dysphoria and body integrity dysphoria(BID) or the disorder where ppl want to cut off a limb or blind themselves and shit, it's even linked that there is sexual pleasure when they are able to enact this and actually chop of a limb or blind themselves.

No sane doctor encounters a BID patient and goes "sure we'll schedule the operation to remove your eyes thursday, you'll feel better, right?"

you're the only one toting the myth of GD, it's a mental disorder, it's just dressed up as GD to placate the worried moms that they have a mentally handicapped child.
 
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I will be honest about this whole issue, however.

As a child, I've gone through many many stages of depression, bipolar diagnoses, and other "diagnoses" in order to "fix" myself but only thing that ever fixed me was a stability, a job, and a sense of purpose in life.

I've met over a dozen "specialists" from the government who only wanted to "define" the medical issue that I faced and attempt to fix it...which is to...give me drugs or whatever.

In the end, they were all wrong and they did not fix the cause.

I have the same distrust of doctors who are so-called "mental disorder" specialist as I do with "mental health" doctors.

If I had listened to and accepted my condition, I would never be able to grow out of it as I have done currently.

This is why I find this so-called GD so troubling, evil, and insane. I would not want a child to lose their future because doctor "improved" something in their life. It is bullshit, in short.
 

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Also, to expand on my previous post a bit:

That was a very long and dry way to explain something most people with children grasp immediately and instinctually, and also feel VERY strongly about.

IMO, when individuals come along and want to breach that ethical calculus that I laid out, it is grounds for violence. If institutions want to violate that ethical calculus, it is grounds for WAR. I would absolutely fight and kill for this cause. You don't harm kids. PERIOD. Regardless of intent. This is the reason that you're encountering such strong opinions on the subject.
 
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If you think your reply sufficiently responds to my own, then you didn't read my post carefully enough, because I already addressed the catch 22 aspect of the situation. Since you seem to have be having difficulty seeing it, allow me to expand on that aspect of the problem.

The catch-22 is: you cannot predict the effects of puberty on a child who presents as trans before puberty. Puberty may remove the trans presenting issue, or it may not, but you cannot know ahead of time unless you're going to claim that science is capable of perfect prediction, which it is not now nor is science likely to ever possess that capability. Regardless of any scans done on someone's brain before puberty, any tests of their endocrinology, or anything else, science simply is incapable of perfectly predicting 5 years in the future of an individual. There are simply too many variables to consider.

So, faced with this catch-22, we as a people have to do a cost-benefit analysis. We have potential harm, and potential benefit.

-The potential harm is that the child will be permanently disfigured and rendered incapable of reproducing. Keep in mind that reproducing is the primary drive governed by our biology, and taking that ability away from a person is a tremendous harm to that individual.
-The potential benefit is that the child will feel better about themselves later in life, but this is not guaranteed. And before you cite the scientific study to claim that it is guaranteed, a study CANNOT provide a guarantee. It can only measure past results, not future outcomes.

Also, consider the magnitude of the potential benefit in this situation. Here I'm quoting from the last line in the study you keep quoting: all of 70 eligible candidates showed improved mental health and general functioning. This is the best case scenario: improved mental health and general functioning. Not normal, not satisfactory, not 'great!', but 'improved'.

Improved from what? Suicidal? Gloomy? Irritated? Anxious? It's inherently a relative and shifting standard.

We also know that it is possible to have great functioning in life after puberty is completed if you don't go through with hormone blockers before puberty and you present as trans. How do we know this? Because of you, Vanessa. Your life proceeded exactly this way, and you claim to be fine. So, it must be possible, unless you're an extreme outlier which I doubt.


So, faced with the possible harm of permanent damage to a child who is not old enough to decide for himself what is best for him, with the possible benefit of merely 'improved' mental health later in life and knowing that 'improved' and 'totally satisfactory' mental health is possible later in life WITHOUT undergoing puberty blockers early in life, we must conclude that the potential harm outweighs the potential benefit AND that there are viable alternative methods to achieve the same result.

After running this cost-benefit analysis and weighing the ethic of protecting children who cannot be responsible for their own decisions from harming themselves or from being harmed by others as higher than the ethic of improving the mental health of adults, the ethic of protecting children wins out.


TL ; DR : Until such time as science or some other force is capable of perfectly predicting the future outcome of any child below the age of puberty, it will be unethical to allow a child to undergo puberty blocking hormones in an effort to improve their future mental health.
TL ; DR : Fuck the 20%

You at least express yourself better than the majority of knuckle-draggers here. That's obviously a plus! Even if we disagree, I can thumbs up your post instead of picarding it.

Look LLR, you still have veritable chimpanzees here STILL arguing that GD isn't even real. There are clearly different levels of ignorance at play here. It's pretty staggering how, in the face of reason and scientific study, people will still act like denial is just a river in Africa. So we're all doomed to beat a dead horse and go 'round and round in a circle until either I simply stop posting altogether or you and your ilk open your fucking blind eyes and see the truth in all of this. It's looking like the former will happen first. It's becoming clear (and you all can laugh at my ego) that you all simply don't deserve me. I'm one of a kind amidst the right-wing NPCs. A diamond in the rough. A unicorn. Yet all you backwoods hicks want to do is beat it down dead.

I get banned from leftist sites for talking about exactly what I'm talking about here, and I get utterly trashed here by the racist, bigoted fucks like Zyyz and Mariospeedcunt.

Oh and if you're asking me to either

A) admit you're right on this topic and I'm somehow (with research and data behind me) wrong.
or
B) go to war over this?

That's simple:

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TL ; DR : Fuck the 20%

You at least express yourself better than the majority of knuckle-draggers here. That's obviously a plus! Even if we disagree, I can thumbs up your post instead of picarding it.

Look LLR, you still have veritable chimpanzees here STILL arguing that GD isn't even real. There are clearly different levels of ignorance at play here. It's pretty staggering how, in the face of reason and scientific study, people will still act like denial is just a river in Africa. So we're all doomed to beat a dead horse and go 'round and round in a circle until either I simply stop posting altogether or you and your ilk open your fucking blind eyes and see the truth in all of this. It's looking like the former will happen first. It's becoming clear (and you all can laugh at my ego) that you all simply don't deserve me. I'm one of a kind amidst the right-wing NPCs. A diamond in the rough. A unicorn. Yet all you backwoods hicks want to do is beat it down dead.

I get banned from leftist sites for talking about exactly what I'm talking about here, and I get utterly trashed here by the racist, bigoted fucks like Zyyz and Mariospeedcunt.

Oh and if you're asking me to either

A) admit you're right on this topic and I'm somehow (with research and data behind me) wrong.
or
B) go to war over this?

That's simple:

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TL ; DR : Fuck the 20%

You at least express yourself better than the majority of knuckle-draggers here. That's obviously a plus! Even if we disagree, I can thumbs up your post instead of picarding it.

Look LLR, you still have veritable chimpanzees here STILL arguing that GD isn't even real. There are clearly different levels of ignorance at play here. It's pretty staggering how, in the face of reason and scientific study, people will still act like denial is just a river in Africa. So we're all doomed to beat a dead horse and go 'round and round in a circle until either I simply stop posting altogether or you and your ilk open your fucking blind eyes and see the truth in all of this. It's looking like the former will happen first. It's becoming clear (and you all can laugh at my ego) that you all simply don't deserve me. I'm one of a kind amidst the right-wing NPCs. A diamond in the rough. A unicorn. Yet all you backwoods hicks want to do is beat it down dead.

I get banned from leftist sites for talking about exactly what I'm talking about here, and I get utterly trashed here by the racist, bigoted fucks like Zyyz and Mariospeedcunt.

Oh and if you're asking me to either

A) admit you're right on this topic and I'm somehow (with research and data behind me) wrong.
or
B) go to war over this?

That's simple:

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That's what you got out of my post? Fuck the 20%? And you have the gall to accuse others of rhetorical faggotry?

You claim to have high intelligence, but you've yet to put forward a logically consistent and coherent argument, and the arguments you have put forward have been utterly demolished.

When challenged by someone not insulting you in any way, you resort to name calling and personal attacks, attributing the animus of others to me. That's not the act of someone who is arguing in good faith, which I have been. In light of this, I feel like I've spent enough time responding to you and further discussion would be fruitless.


As for the rest, you're not special in any way here at FoH. I'll give you the same response I would give anyone threatening to quit the forums in a fit of pique:

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I can't believe you are still misunderstanding that study.
You are MORE than welcome to quote anything in that study that refutes anything that I have stated as factual if you think I am soooo wrong about my stance. If my argument was standing on sand instead of bedrock, I'd have not linked the studies at all, nor would I so willingly want to engage in this. I'd have said "fuck y'all, I'm being silenced" in the GG thread and simply let it go from there. The fact I pulled subsequent quotes from there here is clear indication that I WANT to be scrutinized... to be attempted to be proved wrong. Why? Because I know my arguments are true and based in research and data.

Prove me wrong and I'll concede I misread, misunderstood, misquoted, or simply was too stupid to understand the context involved. So far, you have failed to even attempt this and the ONLY person who quoted something different in ANY of the studies I've shared was Ambiturner which I promptly carved up.

Ball's in your court. Make your team proud Zyyz. Or, just sit your ass on the bench and shut the fuck up.
 
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You are MORE than welcome to quote anything in that study that refutes anything that I have stated as factual if you think I am soooo wrong about my stance. If my argument was standing on sand instead of bedrock, I'd have not linked the studies at all, nor would I so willingly want to engage in this. I'd have said "fuck y'all, I'm being silenced" in the GG thread and simply let it go from there. The fact I pulled subsequent quotes from there here is clear indication that I WANT to be scrutinized... to be attempted to be proved wrong. Why? Because I know my arguments are true and based in research and data.

Prove me wrong and I'll concede I misread, misunderstood, misquoted, or simply was too stupid to understand the context involved. So far, you have failed to even attempt this and the ONLY person who quoted something different in ANY of the studies I've shared was Ambiturner which I promptly carved up.

Ball's in your court. Make your team proud Zyyz. Or, just sit your ass on the bench and shut the fuck up.
He did. You just need to scroll back and search for it.
 

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But one last post before I sign off:


Feels feels feels, No facts.

Says the person who can't even apply reading comprehension to their own bullshit article they linked. Here's some cold hard fact for you. You are not even transgender you're basically a crossdresser. The evidence? You have no plans to cut off your own dick to finish the transition you involve yourself in primarily male hobbies and you still banging women in the traditional manner. The only remotely feminine traits about you are your attention whoring and the little pissy snarky memes you try to attack on the end of your post to make it seem like you're on the lithose level.

So it begs the question why are you even arguing this shit and who you trying to convince? I say you're trying to convince yourself and you're pissed that we won't play along with your delusional mental gymnastics. You know your community is batshit insane and you want to go and argue that this isn't a mental health issue?Until you cut that dick off you're just a dude who's good with makeup with a nice pair of fake tits. You don't even have personal experience to throw into the ring in this discussion and are going by articles that have been fed to you that you clearly have not even read yourself.

So yeah our minds are made up because we've traded this grown a lot here over the last decade-and-a-half before you ever walked in the front door of this place. Some of us like myself are personally familiar with nearly a dozen transgenders through life experience being exposed to them. The rest have seen Gerald and Goliath in action and been down this road with them already. so if it seems like we're intractable it's really just because we've been through this whole fucking song and dance at least twice before. and you're bringing the same bullshit moves but minus the personal commitment to follow through on your delusion which makes your arguments even more frivolous.

So yeah that feels feels feels thing is really you looking at your self in the mirror. Frankly we know the science behind this shit better than a lot of actavis do because of what's going down in this community. What you're pulling here is literally the rubber glue arguing tactic of a small fucking child. And speaking of children at no point have you addressed the fact that basic medicine requires do no harm as its principal aim as lightning pointed out already. You keep dancing around that because it doesn't fit your little fucking agenda throwing kids who are confused because they haven't gone through puberty yet on a bunch of drugs to fuck them up. It was bullshit when we fed them Zoloft like it was pez and it's even more bullshit if we fuck up their ability to mature properly. Until you address that very important point of why this is somehow an exception your appeals to authority are entirely bullshit and transparent.
 
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