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Vanessa

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In the same sentence as the quote of me saying I'm pro-blockers:

it is indeed a huge help to a true transkid..
Fact: In cases of true trans-kids, puberty blockers are both beneficial and effective.

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Reports of the outcomes of puberty suppression treatment in adolescents have shown reasonable safety and good outcomes regarding patient satisfaction and psychosocial functioning

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In the Dutch authors’ words, the treatment, including puberty suppression, cross-sex hormones, and then in adulthood gender affirmation surgery, “leads to improved psychological functioning of transgender adolescents. While enabling them to make important age-appropriate developmental transitions, it contributes to a satisfactory objective and subjective well-being in young adulthood”.33 The authors propose that not only early medical intervention, but also a comprehensive multidisciplinary approach contributes to the youth’s gender health.

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However, psychological therapy and support are highly recommended; while such services are now far more widely available, they are still insufficient to provide for complete wellbeing of these patients. Inadequate management of children with persistent gender dysphoria can lead to isolation, feeling of self-hatred, and suicidal ideas and attempts. Also, “passing through the wrong puberty” can have serious consequences for these individuals. Viable treatment options vary from fully reversible treatment, such as puberty-suppressing gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogues (GnRH) to partly reversible treatment, gonadal steroid treatment, as well as irreversible treatment, such as surgical removal of genitalia and reconstruction of new ones according to the desired gender.

De Vries et al. were the first to introduce the concept and research on the use of puberty blockers for treatment of transgender youth. The main idea behind the suppression of endogenous puberty was to decrease distress by preventing the development of “noncongruent” secondary sexual characteristics. This would give young individuals more time to get accustomed to their situation and to better explore their gender. In the examined group, all of 70 eligible candidates showed improved mental health and general functioning.


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I made that statement before I even knew about THIS other fact:

Fact: Children exhibiting gender "issues" pre-puberty will, 80% of the time, resolve these issues via puberty.

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In contrast to the first two models, no assumption is made that every child exhibiting a gender nonconforming presentation is in need of mental health treatment.

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Children represent a small number of individuals with gender dysphoria and in only 10-20% of the children, gender dysphoria will continue to manifest in adolescence

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Many individuals continue renegotiating their gender throughout childhood or adulthood, with no observable detriment to their mental health

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Evidence from the 10 available prospective follow-up studies from childhood to adolescence (reviewed in the study by Ristori and Steensma28) indicates that for ~80% of children who meet the criteria for GDC, the GD recedes with puberty.

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I picked up a copy of a college level textbook called Psychological Disorders at work and looked up Gender Dysphoria. I laughed as the first few pages essentially said EVERYTHING that I have tried to present to you morons as fact and just shook my head because I thought about you guys and, honestly, I just felt bad for you all... you're willfully ignorant about this subject and can't even see how blind you are to the evidence and research about it.

But hey... keep on being NPCs about it... I could care less if you guys want to keep making yourselves look like complete fools here.
 
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Does it honestly make you feel better to try and outgroup everyone who doesn't swallow this line of bullshit, turn them into non-people? Does it work? Do you see the irony in a trans person employing those tactics?

More on topic, are you actually prepared to address the debate, which we had all fucking summer, that without an objective test for GD/trans issues you have no idea who are the 20% and who are the 80%. And that even if you did, there is a moral and ethical questions about making irreversible decisions for children that will fundamentally shape the adult they become? And the suicide rate? And the risks associated with puberty blockers?
 
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Now he's gonna try and hedge that shit now with that no true scotsman appeal to authority double fallacy


In the same sentence as the quote of me saying I'm pro-blockers:

it is indeed a huge help to a true transkid

Fact: In cases of true trans-kids, puberty blockers are both beneficial and effective.

Called it word for word note for note by the way
 
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All true scotsman eat haggis

All true transkids get blockers

Its pure disingenuous tripe. He's trying to have his cake and eat it too. He's for blockers, but only for "true" trans kids. Except we have no way to judge who a "True" trans kid is until they go on blockers, then decide they dont want to do it any more.

So the effect is you still get all the kids on blockers, and you let some of them quit when they decide they dont want to any more, and that's how you figure out which ones are "True" and which aren't.

Its pure no true scotsman fallacy meant to get kids on blockers while not having to face the intellectual consequences here holding that position.

Lightning Lord Rule Lightning Lord Rule don't we have a fence sitter medal for this shit?
 
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Eh, just posting factual research backing up my claims.

Me saying that puberty blockers are beneficial to transgender kids is a fact. It's not my opinion it's a fact. Read that again: A FACT.

Me saying that I didn't know that it is ALSO a fact that 80% of kids will outgrow their GD at the onset of puberty is not my opinion... that is exactly what happened because I never heard about that research at the time of that quote. Once I gleaned info about that I weighed the consequences of what that meant and felt the best option is to only put adolescents (here's the nuance: ADOLESCENTS, NOT KIDS) on blockers and/or hormones if they were highly dysphoric and for clarity, I mean dysphoric to the point of possible suicide or self-harm... where the inherent danger of a social transition is less of a threat than not helping them at all. Any type of therapy to quell the GD until they are of age to make MORE informed decisions is more optimal. That is until GD can be diagnosed with a simple blood test at any age... and trust me... that is coming soon. Quote me on it, and count on it. (Funny though, once that happens you morons will still have qualms with EVERYTHING about this becuase... well... y'all don't care too much about facts, do you?)

Does that make me an advocate for chemically castrating kids? Of course not you morons. But it doesn't matter what I think, does it? Haha.
 
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No, you've already had your incorrect assertions regarding the research pointed out copious times in both your threads.

You are 100% caught dead to rights here. Fucking deal with it
 

Vanessa

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Does it honestly make you feel better to try and outgroup everyone who doesn't swallow this line of bullshit, turn them into non-people?
No I think it's sad how you guys bury your head in the sand with facts. It's tragic, actually.

"Well we don't like your studies Vanessa"

This is literally all you have to argue with... how fucking pathetic LOLOLOLOL
 
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Step 1: Post article you don't understand
Step 2: Get told what you didn't understand about said article
Step 3: Leave forums for 3 weeks
Step 4: Return and declare that the article said what you thought it said not what everyone else pointed out to you it said
Step 5: Deny ever having taken the position you've taken
Step 6: Call everyone else idiots and declare yourself victor over everything
Step 7: Repeat til you get banned

The Tanoomba Tanoomba cycle
 

Vanessa

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Hodj has tried to get me banned for over 3 years now. Why? Because that's what SJWs do. They want to silence what they disagree with.
 
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I haven't tried shit, you do more than well enough on your own.

I'm merely predicting the eventual outcome accurately because I'm hodjstradamus and you make it so fucking easy
 

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Didn't Vanessa explicitly call for Hodj (or was it folder) to be banned at one point? Seems like an attempt to silence.
 
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Vanessa

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Didn't Vanessa explicitly call for Hodj (or was it folder) to be banned at one point? Seems like an attempt to silence.
I did and apologized. Does this change the fact that Hodj has wanted this of me for longer and with more obsession in his game? Nope :)
 
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hodj

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I did and apologized. Does this change the fact that Hodj has wanted this of me for longer and with more obsession in his game? Nope :)

Apology not accepted

That was just your attempt to save face when you realized you'd overplayed your hand in your manic meltdown state
 
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