Vanessa's Tranny AMA Blog Thread
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Izo
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Point is noone is mocking anyone - but you ARE claiming persecution of your lifestyle even though you (we) are the vast majority. And even so, mocking, really? That's your complaint? Just don't spend your million dollars on <insert movie> here, supply and demand. How about you get your facts straight instead of spinning them to QQ?
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Izo
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Did you not see my avatar, Mr. offended and persecuted?
Don't see me complaining about the rainbows, picards or whatnot on my posts. Complaining about negs on FOH? You should be shaw'ed.
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chthonic-anemos
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He's not even whiteknighting trannies, he's whiteknighting propaganda.
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Enzee
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If it makes you feel better, I thought your voice itself was pretty spot on. Kudos to you for working on it. However, in the few minutes I watched, you obviously talk like a hardcore nerd (you're playing mtg arena, after all) which can raise some flags simply because of how few women inhabit that space.
Also, nice job with the tokens deck. Have you gotten into the competitive draft queue much? I've gone pseudo infinite and have almost every top meta deck completed with very little $$ spent as a result. I don't think it's super hard to do, the bots tend to under-value the same colors in each format. For DOM, it's G/B generally.
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Vanessa
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A lot to quote.
Morrow is a longtime, non-crazy lady; nothing but <3
I'm just a realist; it's very simple. If it's not reality, it is bullshit. I'm not a fan of bullshit.
To repeat myself for a second here, because it's important enough to be repeated: NEVER forget the distinction between transsexuals like myself and the non-binary, victimhood type of so-called transgenders out there in the world. We are only similar by ONE trait in my opinion: the word Transgender. Besides that, there is nothing else in common and I am proud of that fact, rest assured.
^ Basically how it is.
I started my newest gig right at the start of the year at Amazon. I've still told 0 people. 0 people have asked. This is exactly how I want it. I let the cat out of the bag here at FoH for the lulz and boy it's been worth it, can't lie. My old job I was at for 9 years; the last 5 of which were hell. I transitioned there. I was treated horribly, and it was only after I got to Amazon where literally no one knew anything about me except -who Vanessa was- did I realize how awful I was treated. It's nothing you can even put on paper and it smack you in the face, like, "On August 2nd, Mrs. Soandso said to me, "Hello Tranny Abomination, how are you today?"... the discrimination was shadowy... veritably unintentional, yet palpable all the same. Hindsight is 20/20 obv, but had I known how apparent the discrimination was, I'd have documented shit I experienced there to the fucking minute. My family said I needed to sue. I feel that I didn't have enough credible evidence for a discrimination suit. Just because I know full goddamn well I was mistreated poorly there due to me being trans, that doesn't mean a judge and/or jury would. Evidence just wasn't strong enough.
Aye, you just might. This place has jaded all of you I know LoL! But would you really?
Are you sure?
Face pic is as honest a candid as I can give (1 take shot, taken literally 5 minutes ago after I got home from work today), and I have never ever and never will photoshop any pic. That's literally how I look day in and day out, face-wise and body-wise. People at work deal with me as face-to-face as you can get without being intimate... voice, mannerisms, everything. Old men have told me at work, after talking for a bit and after they have gotten a bit comfortable with me, "You're beautiful". I just highly doubt a 60-year old man who knows a tranny is a tranny is going to go out of his way to let them know they're attractive. Mostly old men, yes (nothing to lose really), but sometimes young guys will say flirty things too like, "I usually just know log-ins instead of names but I know yours. It helps that I usually remember the attractive girls". Shit like that. It's genuine man-to-woman compliments, not like... I'm going to humor you as a transgender person and make you feel accepted. I got clocky things about me, yes indeed. Let's say my chin per example. Is it suspect? Yes, IF YOU ALREADY KNOW. But I'm 99% sure to most people, it's just a female with a big chin... see what I mean?
I think of passing as a balancing scale, and you should too... it's a simple way to wrap your head around it. One tray for male, one tray for female. Every single "thing" that people project both physically and psychologically can fit into one of those trays (mostly). Some traits weigh heavier than others... brow bone, nose shape, beard shadow (or lack thereof), voice... that's just face. You have height, proportions, muscle mass... There are literally dozens of important cues that a bunch of people aren't even aware of that gender an individual male or female. We are so adept at gendering people based on those plethora of cues that we do it almost instantaneously without any conscious thought. A female tranny's goal is to move their cues from the male tray to the female tray. An unpassable tranny will have an imbalance of male traits still. A passable tranny will have successfully navigated their cues to the female tray (surgery is a huge boon). Androgynous people will have a balance of both.
So back to my chin. Yeah it fits in the male tray. But there are so many things about me that no longer fit in that male tray, that it doesn't raise enough suspicious I think to make most people go "oh no, that's a trans person, for sure". As long as a person like me is imbalanced enough on the one side that benefits us, the other "cues" that aren't perfect aren't enough to swing the balance into discomfort.
Do I pass? Absolutely. Do I pass flawlessly? Absolutely not. Never will, and I'm okay with that.
Yep; it's the difference (if you're clocked) between:
"That's sad... don't stare Mildred"
"Damn... impressive"
The thing is, this is just the reality of any human being... far from a trans issue. Cis females who are hot... the world is their oyster. There is scientific evidence that suggests attractive people see the world as being more positive and friendly and ugly people see it as more hostile and chaotic. I don't want to sound too... idk the word... but when you look at the cries of oppression and injustice by SJWs and the correlation of them almost *all* being repulsive physically, it connects a lot of dots, sadly.
Hope you post more
Morrow
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Morrow is a longtime, non-crazy lady; nothing but <3
I likeVanessa though, because she seems to understand the wide range of cultural response to trans and just shrugs it off without the animosity or forcing macro re educations
I'm just a realist; it's very simple. If it's not reality, it is bullshit. I'm not a fan of bullshit.
To repeat myself for a second here, because it's important enough to be repeated: NEVER forget the distinction between transsexuals like myself and the non-binary, victimhood type of so-called transgenders out there in the world. We are only similar by ONE trait in my opinion: the word Transgender. Besides that, there is nothing else in common and I am proud of that fact, rest assured.
^ Basically how it is.
I started my newest gig right at the start of the year at Amazon. I've still told 0 people. 0 people have asked. This is exactly how I want it. I let the cat out of the bag here at FoH for the lulz and boy it's been worth it, can't lie. My old job I was at for 9 years; the last 5 of which were hell. I transitioned there. I was treated horribly, and it was only after I got to Amazon where literally no one knew anything about me except -who Vanessa was- did I realize how awful I was treated. It's nothing you can even put on paper and it smack you in the face, like, "On August 2nd, Mrs. Soandso said to me, "Hello Tranny Abomination, how are you today?"... the discrimination was shadowy... veritably unintentional, yet palpable all the same. Hindsight is 20/20 obv, but had I known how apparent the discrimination was, I'd have documented shit I experienced there to the fucking minute. My family said I needed to sue. I feel that I didn't have enough credible evidence for a discrimination suit. Just because I know full goddamn well I was mistreated poorly there due to me being trans, that doesn't mean a judge and/or jury would. Evidence just wasn't strong enough.
Aye, you just might. This place has jaded all of you I know LoL! But would you really?
Are you sure?
Face pic is as honest a candid as I can give (1 take shot, taken literally 5 minutes ago after I got home from work today), and I have never ever and never will photoshop any pic. That's literally how I look day in and day out, face-wise and body-wise. People at work deal with me as face-to-face as you can get without being intimate... voice, mannerisms, everything. Old men have told me at work, after talking for a bit and after they have gotten a bit comfortable with me, "You're beautiful". I just highly doubt a 60-year old man who knows a tranny is a tranny is going to go out of his way to let them know they're attractive. Mostly old men, yes (nothing to lose really), but sometimes young guys will say flirty things too like, "I usually just know log-ins instead of names but I know yours. It helps that I usually remember the attractive girls". Shit like that. It's genuine man-to-woman compliments, not like... I'm going to humor you as a transgender person and make you feel accepted. I got clocky things about me, yes indeed. Let's say my chin per example. Is it suspect? Yes, IF YOU ALREADY KNOW. But I'm 99% sure to most people, it's just a female with a big chin... see what I mean?
I think of passing as a balancing scale, and you should too... it's a simple way to wrap your head around it. One tray for male, one tray for female. Every single "thing" that people project both physically and psychologically can fit into one of those trays (mostly). Some traits weigh heavier than others... brow bone, nose shape, beard shadow (or lack thereof), voice... that's just face. You have height, proportions, muscle mass... There are literally dozens of important cues that a bunch of people aren't even aware of that gender an individual male or female. We are so adept at gendering people based on those plethora of cues that we do it almost instantaneously without any conscious thought. A female tranny's goal is to move their cues from the male tray to the female tray. An unpassable tranny will have an imbalance of male traits still. A passable tranny will have successfully navigated their cues to the female tray (surgery is a huge boon). Androgynous people will have a balance of both.
So back to my chin. Yeah it fits in the male tray. But there are so many things about me that no longer fit in that male tray, that it doesn't raise enough suspicious I think to make most people go "oh no, that's a trans person, for sure". As long as a person like me is imbalanced enough on the one side that benefits us, the other "cues" that aren't perfect aren't enough to swing the balance into discomfort.
Do I pass? Absolutely. Do I pass flawlessly? Absolutely not. Never will, and I'm okay with that.
Yep; it's the difference (if you're clocked) between:
"That's sad... don't stare Mildred"
"Damn... impressive"
The thing is, this is just the reality of any human being... far from a trans issue. Cis females who are hot... the world is their oyster. There is scientific evidence that suggests attractive people see the world as being more positive and friendly and ugly people see it as more hostile and chaotic. I don't want to sound too... idk the word... but when you look at the cries of oppression and injustice by SJWs and the correlation of them almost *all* being repulsive physically, it connects a lot of dots, sadly.
Hope you post more
Morrow
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Just as a refresher, Izo is a serious troll from previous versions of this forum, and is best to be ignored.
Anyway, I think the one of the big reasons people engage with Vanessa and like this thread is because she's just fucking normal. I live in Caly, so I know a few trans, work with them once in a bit, etc etc. I worked with a trans woman before, during, and after her transition. She wanted us to use her new female name after she transitioned - no problem. However, since we'd all worked with her for a while and were used to calling her by her old male name, once in a bit one of us would call her by that old name. Total accident, no disrespect meant, shit happens. But when it did, she'd get all pissy and make a fuss about just wanting to be treated as she asked to be. Most co-workers grew to dislike her, and interaction with her declined, as no one wanted to mistakenly set her off.
THOSE are the motherfucking trans people that ruin it for everyone else. Well, and the M2F (it's never the F2Ms) who couldn't even pass walking by Helen Keller, that have a shit fit when they are told no, you can't use the woman's rest room. I'm pretty damn liberal, and while I can't precisely say where that "bathroom line" is, it exists for me, and a lot of other people.
Anyway, I think the one of the big reasons people engage with Vanessa and like this thread is because she's just fucking normal. I live in Caly, so I know a few trans, work with them once in a bit, etc etc. I worked with a trans woman before, during, and after her transition. She wanted us to use her new female name after she transitioned - no problem. However, since we'd all worked with her for a while and were used to calling her by her old male name, once in a bit one of us would call her by that old name. Total accident, no disrespect meant, shit happens. But when it did, she'd get all pissy and make a fuss about just wanting to be treated as she asked to be. Most co-workers grew to dislike her, and interaction with her declined, as no one wanted to mistakenly set her off.
THOSE are the motherfucking trans people that ruin it for everyone else. Well, and the M2F (it's never the F2Ms) who couldn't even pass walking by Helen Keller, that have a shit fit when they are told no, you can't use the woman's rest room. I'm pretty damn liberal, and while I can't precisely say where that "bathroom line" is, it exists for me, and a lot of other people.
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Izo
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How'd that get across as the opposite of what I meant?So let me get this straight, your pitch is an LGBT Black Widow movie? With some hot chick tongue boxing ScoJo's starfish like in Black Swan, and for some reason you think this would plummet the box office? My good sir. you are mistaken.
I do believe I'm arguing that the portrayal - or insertion - of LGBT would in fact not hurt the sales substansially - bc most of us don't care it's there or not. At least not enough to boycut anything. We're all star dust as far as I'm concerned. Maybe you should ask
Bandwagon
if he'd stay home from the next Marvel Avengers movie?
Morrow
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I think it's just annoying. It almost feels like you're being forced to participate in some kind o f mass delusion (not that trans people are delusional, but that everyone acting so obsessed/proud/celebratory is overly intense and it doesn't warrant THIS much fervor, cmon people, calm the fuck down for 2 seconds). I know that's ridiculous, of course you're not being "forced to participate" - but it sure can feel that way when you wake up and turn on the news and hear about how brave this person is, and then you hear about it again on your car radio on your way to work, and then a coworker talks about how brave Kaitlyn Jenner is, and then you browse Reddit at work and see it again, and then you go to the grocery store on the way home from work and see a bunch of magazines at the checkout.
So it's like everyone is saying "The sky is really blue and that's wonderful, just wonderful, truly splendid! Let's rejoice about the sky." And you just think, what the fuck? What's the big deal? This feels a bit ridiculous to be so focused on the sky, are people.. for real? Can we talk about something else?.. No? Oh. I mean the sky is blue, I agree, but... it's just the fucking sky, everyone is seriously over reacting."
That probably makes no fucking sense but hopefully some of what I intended to convey came across. I don't know if that's what he's referring to, but that's sort of how I feel, and not just about transgenderism obviously, the same applies to any topic that people become fervant and crazy about. Like it's fine that they are excited about the topic, but they are all over reacting as a part of some collective communal activity. And it seems a bit crazy how obsessed with the topic everyone is, but everyone is, and you're in that society, so you're kind of forced to take part.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE? GOD DAMN I CANNOT CONVEY THIS IDEA.
Fuck dude I just spent 5 minutes trying to explain exactly what you just said for you, and then I actually read the other posts and see yours and you explained it way, way better than I could have. Lol yeah man, what you say makes sense and I don't think it's unreasonable to feel the way that you feel.
Damn straight! That's all that really matters.
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Izo
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Sure, I think I get you.
To me it's interesting, that you want to be passable - one of us, not stand out - and not wanting to have attention on the issue of transitioning. Paradoxal, but not surprising. So much that some transitioning adopt the views that it's not okay to not be passable. But it's not a dichotomy, transitioning, is it? Takes time. Do you feel it's okay that you have to hide / not be welcome while it goes on? Burka time to hide from the feelings of others/your own dysphoria? I get the gendor dysphoria - but I don't know that embracing the same view of those you're trying to become is the way to go. Maybe it's necesary to survive? I donno. I shouldn't be afai concerned.
As for having to partake in xyz - noone is forcing anyone to anything. It's not a Kubrick world where one is indoctrinated and having ones eyes forced open. It's ridiculous that some even think this is an issue - it's focusing on an issue for no rational reason. So what if x media has more trans people, apparently disproportional to x view in time era z? Hasn't it always been like this - pendular? I'm atheist, I don't watch 70% religious news. Should I? I think it's ridiculous that I have to explain to my kids, that some are so bigoted they cannot keep this ridiculous notion of 'not being one of us' / 'trans people are not star dust' to themselves. Why should it necesary to stomp on those lying down to feel superior or define one self? I don't get it. The main difference is, ofcourse, our news and media are different to yours. I'm well aware of this. But at the same time my SO is american, her immediate family lives here - and noone of them complain about this at all. We all bleed red, are all stacks of star dust. Seems the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave have become the land of the complaining and bigoted, with regards to gender. It's not an issue here at all.
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I don't follow you. Seems like you're putting too much effort into having profound ideas or are over complicating them. I feel the way I feel, that's that. I don't care if the views I hold are the same views as some other person or group that fits into a different category of person than I am categorized into based on some other nebulous group's definition of "category" - and who belongs where.
For me wanting to be passable was originally about lining up my body with my mind. But now, despite whatever anyone here says about whether I pass or not, the reality is that I am a woman and live as a woman and those are my only experiences. When I go to the hospital and tell them I'm not pregnant they go into a spiel about how I can never be sure if I am sexually active, and they need a urine test to rule that out and this and that. That's my life now. I never talk about transgender shit anymore and I never interact as transgender and the subject never comes up until I decided to hop in here. Otherwise that's been my first and only transgender interaction in years. It's literally not part of my life anymore except for an injection once every 10 days, which could be any sort of medicine.
Wanting to be "passable" has more to do with wanting to be attractive, like we all want to be, than it has to do with some idea of stealth or fitting in. Sure,for many people the desire to pass is simply a consequence of wanting to be treated well. I don't get my ideas of who is attractive and who isn't from anyone but myself. Did I put more effort into "passing" in the first year? Sure I guess, but what does that even mean? I was just waking up and presenting myself in the way that I enjoyed, like we all do. That just so happens to be what we deem "feminine." The gender dysphoria is separate.
I think in your attempts to educate yourself and be a good physician (you're a physician, right? Or is that someone else?) You got a little lost in the academia and philosophy it all and you might consider regrounding yourself and just trying to look at things in a more basic, simpler way, because a lot of stuff you are saying is a few steps removed from reality. That doesn't mean what you're saying doesn't make sense or isn't true, but how you've arrived there is a little flimsy and the foundations aren't as strong as they could be if you looked at things more simply and arrived there that way.
I don't have to hide. And even if I didn't look the way I do and had to put more effort into "passing" every day, I'd still be doing it just to look good, again, like we all do. What are queer non binary people doing when they get ready every morning? Are they trying to present as neither male or female? Not likely. They are likely just doing whatever to present themselves in whatever way they deem attractive. You're over complicating it.
Dude, what are you on about? My views are my views because they are my views. I didn't go out to a view vending machine and scroll past the "transgender views" to the "cisgender views" because if someone sees me with the transgender views they will judge me. Why the fuck would I need to do that when as I said, being transgender is not a part of my life, it's just not a thing anymore. I guess for people that don't pass, it is? But I don't know enough about that to speak on it. Anyways you are categorizing people and categorizing ideas too strongly and linking the two way too much.
After reading your post again and trying to tease out your meaning I have determined that you are drunk.
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Morrow
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Also, the transgender people you mention that hold the belief that "trying to pass" is bad and something they avoid doing on principle are fucking retarded and probably look like shit objectively no matter which lens of gender you view them through. If you don't care much for appearances and would rather dedicate your time and energy elsewhere, that's totally fine, I mean at least brush your teeth and take a shower, but otherwise, sure, that's fine, that's your choice, but don't pass it off as some grand ideal. The idea is to look attractive and pleased with your own appearance, which is something healthy adults do. If you identify as female, that likely means you don't find a mustache on a woman attractive, and so you take care of that shit. If you identify as male, you likely find manboobs unattractive, and so you take care of that shit. If you identify as male and female, you probably just try and look clean and presentable in general.
I'm sure some trans people hold this belief as a self defense mechanism to cope with not being attractive and never having a chance at "passing" and while I sympathize, it's retarded.
I'm sure some trans people hold this belief as a self defense mechanism to cope with not being attractive and never having a chance at "passing" and while I sympathize, it's retarded.
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Do we have morrow tranny tits yet? I mean, that's like have of why we are here - and banter with honest questions...and, well trolls because we r RERE!
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