Volkswagen gets busted.

Borzak

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Keep supporting VW. Without support the Germans won't be able to prop up thousands of Syrians flooding to their country.

That's what Jeremy Clarkson said yesterday.
 
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Skanda_sl said:
Why would the states that require emissions testing give a crap how expensive it would be to fix the vehicles? It's all out of VWs pocket, not the state. At most they would care about upsetting constituents that get boned by having to take the time to fix their car and I don't think there will be enough of those to raise enough political stink to where any state would care.
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If it is only VW, it's a different story because they can probably be forced to create a fix if they're not destroyed first. But clear something up for me, isn't there a maximum $ amount that a person is forced to spend to get cars fixed? I remember they had that provision in Texas, and I assumed it was standard for all emissions laws. I forget the amount, but I think it was around $200. If you couldn't get the car up to snuff with $200 or less of work, then the shop gave you a waiver and you passed (the shop actually had to do $200 worth of work first though). That sure makes it sound like the states care how much it costs the consumers.


Itzena_sl said:
No, can you link it?
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Seems I was mistaken. I think all the brands on the list I saw are part of VW. I just saw Audi and thought it was being discovered that everyone did it.

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VW says it is working out how to refit the software in the 11m diesel engines involved in the emission's scandal.

Broken down brand-by-brand they are:

VW - 5m
Audi - 2.1m
Skoda - 1.2m
Seat - 700,000
Vans - 1.8m
 
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Hoss_sl said:
If it is only VW, it's a different story because they can probably be forced to create a fix if they're not destroyed first. But clear something up for me, isn't there a maximum $ amount that a person is forced to spend to get cars fixed? I remember they had that provision in Texas, and I assumed it was standard for all emissions laws. I forget the amount, but I think it was around $200. If you couldn't get the car up to snuff with $200 or less of work, then the shop gave you a waiver and you passed (the shop actually had to do $200 worth of work first though). That sure makes it sound like the states care how much it costs the consumers.
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A quick Google check says in CA you have to have a repair bill higher than $650 in order to apply for aone timetwo year waver. That's all beside the point though, people won't have to pay out of pocket for a recall. The entire bill will fall on VW. Owners should not have to pay a dime.
 
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Hoss_sl said:
Maybe I wasn't mistaken. I don't know if either of these is a reputable news source.

Watchdog Group Says Other Car Companies Are Cheating On Emissions All The Time
Volkswagen: All car companies cheat on emissions tests??"it??Ts just that most do it legally - Quartz
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Well, ofcoursethey're going to say that.
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And yeah - Audi, Skoda, and SEAT are all VW Group so it's the same engine/drivetrain.
 
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Mahes_sl said:
I feel bad for those employees. That plant will most likely be shut down now. This event will resonate with a lot of people who had nothing to do with what happened but are about to have thier lives changed because of it.

It is not funny to me. Because of that reason alone, the fine should have a detrimental effect or it will just be repeated by another company. If this was just middle management trying to be sneaky, then it is a sad state of affairs as it is clear that something like this should have had more checks in place to prevent. If I were the middle management that had tried to be sneaky, my job would not be the only thing I would be concerned about losing.
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That was the first thing I thought myself. Any fine big enough to actually matter still won't hurt the people responsible, but the bottom level employees who had nothing to do with this. Winterkorn is no longer CEO, but he's not gonna hurt. Even if he never gets another job, he's rich beyond his needs, and so are the top managers responsible for this (if he wasn't himself). The attitude sadly is now "I can do what I want, if I succeed I get a big bonus, and if I get caught, it's only my company that will eat shit".

The obvious solution is finding out who is responsible, and put these people in prison for a decade.

heian_sl said:
VW could pass auto peers in payout hall of shame | Considered View | Breakingviews

The article claim that VW as 21 billions euro in net cash with more coming form planned divestments.
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I read they had 20 bn Euro in cash reserves half a year ago. Sounds about right.
 
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Hoss_sl said:
If it is only VW, it's a different story because they can probably be forced to create a fix if they're not destroyed first. But clear something up for me, isn't there a maximum $ amount that a person is forced to spend to get cars fixed? I remember they had that provision in Texas, and I assumed it was standard for all emissions laws. I forget the amount, but I think it was around $200. If you couldn't get the car up to snuff with $200 or less of work, then the shop gave you a waiver and you passed (the shop actually had to do $200 worth of work first though). That sure makes it sound like the states care how much it costs the consumers.




Seems I was mistaken. I think all the brands on the list I saw are part of VW. I just saw Audi and thought it was being discovered that everyone did it.

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VW says it is working out how to refit the software in the 11m diesel engines involved in the emission's scandal.

Broken down brand-by-brand they are:

VW - 5m
Audi - 2.1m
Skoda - 1.2m
Seat - 700,000
Vans - 1.8m
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I don't know if its changed but when I lived in California and had emissions testing there was either no limit to what you could be charged or it was way over 200 bucks.
 
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lol @ that picture what is up with the metal scraps on the river bank? I mean that is literally the stereotypical look of a polluting factory from every cell-shaded pamphlet about pollution ever made.
 
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Quineloe_sl said:
That was the first thing I thought myself. Any fine big enough to actually matter still won't hurt the people responsible, but the bottom level employees who had nothing to do with this. Winterkorn is no longer CEO, but he's not gonna hurt. Even if he never gets another job, he's rich beyond his needs, and so are the top managers responsible for this (if he wasn't himself). The attitude sadly is now "I can do what I want, if I succeed I get a big bonus, and if I get caught, it's only my company that will eat shit".

The obvious solution is finding out who is responsible, and put these people in prison for a decade.



I read they had 20 bn Euro in cash reserves half a year ago. Sounds about right.
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The sociopathic pursuit of profit is the entire reason corporations exist. The only thing the managers are guilty of is botching their risk assessment for how likely they were to get caught.
 
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Last week the AP had an article where they figured how many people had died from the pollution to the exact number. Ok then.
 
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Apparently I capped out my limit for telegraph articles this week. Fucking nazis! Next week...
 
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People are stupid. A friend posted on Facebook that they were considering a few different vehicles, one of them being a Touareg. Numerous people posted comments along the lines of "OH MY GOD NO DON'T BUY A VW THEY ARE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS". I post something along the lines of "well actually, now is probably a great time to buy a new VW since they'll be desperate for the business. Or if it's a used TDI, the value will be significantly depressed and you'll get a good deal. In any case, VW has 20-30 billion in cash reserves and no serious market analyst is predicting that they will go out of business. Markets wiped out about 30 billion in market cap, but even then it's still worth over 100 billion, give or take. It's not going anywhere." Queue numerous idiots telling me I'm an idiot.

I hate people.
 
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You should have responded with "I know you are, but what am I?" Or "Neener Neener booboo, stick your head in doodoo." That would have shut them right up.
 
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