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Chukzombi said:

Marvel fans: i bet Agnes is Agatha and we will see Mephisto !

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Cybsled said:

Agnes is probably Agatha, which would confirm that Mephisto will be the big bad.

I wonder if this show will end up acting as a backdoor introduction of mutants into the MCU now that Disney owns X-men?

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Chukzombi said:

isnt Scarlet and Quicksilver already an introductions of mutants into the MCU??

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Cybsled said:

Not really. MCU Scarlet and Quicksilver were basically Infinity Stone science experiments. The closest they have gotten to mutants is the Inhumans (Agents of SHIELD and the short-lived Inhumans TV show), but given how little Marvel TV has had any impact on the MCU (the dude who played Jarvis on Agent Carter appearing in the recent Avengers movie is the first time there was a TV->Movies crossover, and that only happened because the people who worked on Agent Carter were working on that movie), I would suspect they will either use the new movies or the Disney+ stuff to push mutant origins and/or integration in the MCU

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j00t said:

officially no, they aren't mutants in the MCU. back before disney bought fox, fox owned the rights to the word "mutant." so i suppose they could "discover" that wanda and quicksilver were always mutants, the MCU says they got their power specifically from strucker experimenting on them with one of the infinity stones

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Chukzombi said:

so in the MCU, Magneto isnt their father and the Quicksilver in the Xmen and the Quicksilver in the MCU are two different characters?

its confusing. i am half normie and half nerdboy when it comes to Marvel stuff. how the fuck can the word mutant be copyrighted and how can Marvel have a speedster named Quicksilver but not be allowed to use the word, mutant?

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j00t said:

it's more than them just being magneto's kids, though. they both started as x-men villians with the brotherhood of mutants. they reformed (wanda mostly, quicksilver still had a pretty strong mean streak in him) and became avengers. so their origin is as x-men villians but the majority of their stories are avengers related.

so... here's a very brief history of what happened. back in the late 80's comic books started to become big for collector's due to the rarity of some of the issues. because of this, people started buying more regular comics in the hopes that one day they'd be worth something. so to meet the demand, marvel started spending a TON of money printing issues, which in turn, completely deflated collector value so people stopped buying them. so marvel bankrupted itself and in the early 90's they started selling off the movie rights to different studios in hopes that they could financially recover. at the time, they were just trying to stay afloat; they never even considered having any kind of movie studio.

sony bought the spider-man IP which included anything that primarily belonged to spider-man (rogue's gallery, ancillary characters like uncle ben, aunt may, gwen stacy, etc). Fox bought both the x-men IP and the Fantastic Four IP (again, including anything that primarily belonged to them). apparently, hulk has some weird rights where universal has rights to him, but ONLY for solo movies? no one wanted the avengers because at the time, the avengers were just a mish-mash of characters that were popular enough to be on a team, but not popular enough to really sell well on their own.

so it was a huge gray area for certain characters like scarlet witch and quicksilver, because they very clearly belong to both the x-men AND the avengers. like araysar pointed out, everyone lawyered up and the judgment was that quicksilver and scarlet witch as mutants belonged to fox, while scarlet witch and quicksilver as NOT mutants belonged to marvel studios. from what i understand it was very clear that these had to be DIFFERENT characters and that they couldn't reference each other. i could be wrong, but i think that's why each studio focused on different twins. i think age of ultron was filmed first so they were allowed to keep him in the movie so it wouldn't cause undue financial strain in completely re-writing the movie, but they agreed to kill off quicksilver and move forward with just scarlet witch, while x-men never even mentioned scarlet witch and just went forward with quicksilver

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j00t said:

it's more than them just being magneto's kids, though. they both started as x-men villians with the brotherhood of mutants. they reformed (wanda mostly, quicksilver still had a pretty strong mean streak in him) and became avengers. so their origin is as x-men villians but the majority of their stories are avengers related.

so... here's a very brief history of what happened. back in the late 80's comic books started to become big for collector's due to the rarity of some of the issues. because of this, people started buying more regular comics in the hopes that one day they'd be worth something. so to meet the demand, marvel started spending a TON of money printing issues, which in turn, completely deflated collector value so people stopped buying them. so marvel bankrupted itself and in the early 90's they started selling off the movie rights to different studios in hopes that they could financially recover. at the time, they were just trying to stay afloat; they never even considered having any kind of movie studio.

sony bought the spider-man IP which included anything that primarily belonged to spider-man (rogue's gallery, ancillary characters like uncle ben, aunt may, gwen stacy, etc). Fox bought both the x-men IP and the Fantastic Four IP (again, including anything that primarily belonged to them). apparently, hulk has some weird rights where universal has rights to him, but ONLY for solo movies? no one wanted the avengers because at the time, the avengers were just a mish-mash of characters that were popular enough to be on a team, but not popular enough to really sell well on their own.

so it was a huge gray area for certain characters like scarlet witch and quicksilver, because they very clearly belong to both the x-men AND the avengers. like araysar pointed out, everyone lawyered up and the judgment was that quicksilver and scarlet witch as mutants belonged to fox, while scarlet witch and quicksilver as NOT mutants belonged to marvel studios. from what i understand it was very clear that these had to be DIFFERENT characters and that they couldn't reference each other. i could be wrong, but i think that's why each studio focused on different twins. i think age of ultron was filmed first so they were allowed to keep him in the movie so it wouldn't cause undue financial strain in completely re-writing the movie, but they agreed to kill off quicksilver and move forward with just scarlet witch, while x-men never even mentioned scarlet witch and just went forward with quicksilver

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Sevens said:

From what I understand, Hulk movie rights are owned by Marvel but the Distribution rights are owned by Universal hence why they can put him in movies, hell they could even make a solo hulk movie if they wanted but then Universal would get part of the pie cause they would be the ones to distribute it.

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Cybsled said:

I suspect that if not this show, maybe the new Doctor Strange film will act as the introduction of mutants. His whole thing in the new film is the multiverse, so they could do some sort of reality merging or whatever and boom, now you have X-men and shit.

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Hoss said:

I was thinking they might evolve the genre to cover sitcoms through the years. They've already gone from the 50s to the 60s in the first 2 episodes and nearly into the 70s with the colorization and Wanda wearing pants. If they do it should be pretty obvious when they get to the 70s.

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