War with Syria

http://wartard.blogspot.com/2013/08/...o-on-deck.html

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"In fact, examined on these terms, NATO's impending intervention in Syria starts to make some kind of strategic sense when you take in the big picture... total Western hegemony of the last easily extractable oil on the planet. Lessening reliance on tar sands and its low EROEI numbers and high costs-to-refine, nothing but sweet crude sitting just under desert sands in Iraq and Iran and the shallow waters of the Persian Gulf. Syria barely has any oil but it is a linchpin state in the region. Damascus is the historic heart of Arabia. Maybe we've reached the stage where such chaos is desirable and that's a very scary place to be just 13 years into the new century. Hegemony via chaos is a risky game."

/endgame

Elurin_sl said:

I seem to recall, less than a decade ago, the US celebrating how awesome Syria was for being a democracy in the middle east.

How about we just mind our own fucking business?

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Are you retarded? Citation please. The Assad family has long been on the US shitlist. There was some hope that Bashar would be better than daddy given that he was Western educated and so on, but that was just some speculation in foreign policy and journalism circles when he came to power. The US has never been a fan of the current Syrian regime.

Hekotat_sl said:

I keep hearing about 3 more gas attacks from last week, I wonder if they are legit?

I kind of hope he tries to strike without Congress approval and get's impeached.

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Care to explain how he'd be impeached?

Oh yeah and as far as all the conspiracy theory bullshit goes, it's laughable. Maybe there's some vested interests in the US (Lockheed etc) that would love to see another hot war in the Middle East. As far as Obama is concerned though, he's done his best to stay the fuck out of Syria to this point, and only reluctantly followed the Brits and French in to Libya. I'm sure he'd love nothing more than to just worry about his domestic agenda. But unfortunately, there is only one other precedent in modern history of chemical weapons being used indiscriminately on innocent civilians. If it really was the Assad regime, and who knows if we'll ever truly confirm that, some sort of response is required. That aggression just can't stand, man. What that response should be, who fucking knows? Hopefully it'll just be some military targets, but we all know that every vital military target in the country probably has a kindergarten class camped out on it, and a team of photographers in a bunker a couple hundred feet away. This whole situation sucks balls.

There's no top secret agenda at play here. The entire Arab spring has been both unpredictable and predictable as fuck. No one really knew when or where it would start 3+ years ago, but it's long been predicted that many of the autocratic regimes in the Middle East were going to run in to some deep shit given how many young, uneducated, unemployed men they have running around with nothing better to do. It's as much a matter of demographics as it is geo-politics. These links are from February 2011, and look at the countries at the top of the list:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...b_unrest_index

http://www.economist.com/node/18114401

Eomer_sl said:

What that response should be, who fucking knows? ]

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Lots and lots of Drones.

Karloff_sl said:

Care to explain how he'd be impeached?

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I'd be talking out my ass if I tried.

You would think If he tries to make a really stupid decision that could potentially lead to war it would finally cross a line with US citizens, Especially with all these government scandals lately. Just a pipe dream I guess.

Karloff_sl said:

Care to explain how he'd be impeached?

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I think the Republicans are on the fence right now, it wouldn't take much to push them over. The NSA thing has created an environment where impeachment is actually possible. Military action without a mandate is basically begging them to do it.

So what kind of forces can we expect Canada to put forth for this particular police action?

And fuck you for dismissing the skepticism that people have as "conspiracy theory bullshit. No really. Fuck.You.I don't know if you remember when Colin Powell testified before Congress about how the United States had direct intel about Iraq's WMD programs but I do. That just fucking happened a few years ago. The "intel" ended up being one liar and one guy we tortured the everliving shit out of. I'm glad there are a whole bunch of people who aren't automatically hoping on board with this. Getting involved in a civil war in Syria is a big fucking deal. It should have the involvement of Congress.

And I'm still not seeing how Assad being a bad guy is our fucking problem exactly. Oh right, he's a bad guy who isn't willing to play ball with Western interests.

Nevermind. Bomb away.

Eomer_sl said:

If it really was the Assad regime, and who knows if we'll ever truly confirm that, some sort of response is required. That aggression just can't stand, man.

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Why does it have to be the west that responds?

Arbitrary_sl said:

And fuck you for dismissing the skepticism that people have as "conspiracy theory bullshit. No really. Fuck.You.I don't know if you remember when Colin Powell testified before Congress about how the United States had direct intel about Iraq's WMD programs but I do. That just fucking happened a few years ago. The "intel" ended up being one liar and one guy we tortured the everliving shit out of. I'm glad there are a whole bunch of people who aren't automatically hoping on board with this. Getting involved in a civil war in Syria is a big fucking deal. It should have the involvement of Congress.

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There is a difference between demanding more evidence before jumping on board and just going along with whatever crackpot theory people come up with. Sure, Assad could have done it, or the rebels, or the CIA or my mom. I am hoping that we will see more before any action is taken. Skepticism is fine, but some of the shit people are coming up with is eye-rollingly bad. Too much 24 bad.

Oil was far above $90 a barrel before this Syria nonsense started

Eomer_sl said:

As far as Obama is concerned though, he's done his best to stay the fuck out of Syria to this point

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Are shitting me? You realize that he could just, you know, not go to war? Not authorize the launching of cruise missles and/or boots on the ground.

Araysar_sl said:

Afghanistan

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Don't include Afghanistan. We actually had a reason to go into Afghanistan to get Obama/AQ after 9/11. It was everything else that was fucked up.

Tuco_sl said:

Good article.

The thing that I always had trouble understanding was how the shit we pull in the middle east helped us get cheaper oil. We spent so much lives and money and political capital on Iraq but I never saw the benefit.

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Imagine how much oil from the ME would cost if it came from true democratic countries, with strong middle classes...

chaos_sl said:

I think the Republicans are on the fence right now, it wouldn't take much to push them over. The NSA thing has created an environment where impeachment is actually possible. Military action without a mandate is basically begging them to do it.

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Which republicans? The ones wanting us to continue what the NSA is doing and going to strike Syria or the one who don't. I don't think they even know. Talk of impeachment is always a way to rile up your base and keep hem thinking you actually care.