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War with Syria
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Tuco
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tad10
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That's still enough to pass a resolution to bomb. McCain is already all-in, sure he is in the Senate but that should show you that Obama will find the Republicans he needs.
tad10
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Now you see why I didn't Avatar double or nothing bet you that the House would approve. I think they will, but you can't tell for sure.
hodj
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Dude, the 2002 vote for war in Iraq had 40% Democrat support at the time Democrat voters were in the streets screaming no blood for oil and only a year and a half after Bush flat out stole a highly contested election from the Democrat's heir apparent, its happening.
chaos
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That's enough assuming all the Dems are in, which is another crazy assumption. I'd go lower than 30% but I'm not sure exactly what the crazy hawk contingency of the Republican party is as far as numbers these days. No way this resolution happens.
tad10
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iannis
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McCain has been all in for years and has gathered entirely unimpressive support on the issue.
As for democrats, when Hillary suggested a pre-emptive action years ago when Assad began having troubles, she was quietly informed to shut the fuck up about Syria. The underlying question is the same as it was then: where is theprofitin this?
They might vote for it if the Saudi's pay us. But the Arab League seemed to think we'd do this one pro-bono like last time.
Newp.
As for democrats, when Hillary suggested a pre-emptive action years ago when Assad began having troubles, she was quietly informed to shut the fuck up about Syria. The underlying question is the same as it was then: where is theprofitin this?
They might vote for it if the Saudi's pay us. But the Arab League seemed to think we'd do this one pro-bono like last time.
Newp.
hodj
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Long range goal is to isolate Iran as much as possible.
Syria is one of their biggest allies in the region.
Syria is one of their biggest allies in the region.
Yup.
iannis
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That's fine, and true, but don't forget in considering that that there is a risk an action like this would do the exact opposite. If the United States is seen as a clear aggressor (which if he launched a strike tomorrow, we would CLEARLY be, you can't wrap the flag tight enough around that bullshit to hide the stink) it's entirely possible that support for Iran solidifies.
That long range goal is not served with this short range "police keeping" action. It makes no sense to sell the threat of chemical weapons for the threat of nuclear ones.
It was in his speech. Obama knows how unpopular the idea is. He does know that throwing it to Congress kills the idea. What there is positive in throwing it to Congress is in the debate of the issue, and a more cohesive agreement / understanding of the issue among prominent party leaders-- so that when the next opportunity presents itself (which it will), maybe that opportunity will serve us better.
It could hardly serve us worse than what he's proposing to do.
That long range goal is not served with this short range "police keeping" action. It makes no sense to sell the threat of chemical weapons for the threat of nuclear ones.
It was in his speech. Obama knows how unpopular the idea is. He does know that throwing it to Congress kills the idea. What there is positive in throwing it to Congress is in the debate of the issue, and a more cohesive agreement / understanding of the issue among prominent party leaders-- so that when the next opportunity presents itself (which it will), maybe that opportunity will serve us better.
It could hardly serve us worse than what he's proposing to do.
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That sounds likely. If pressed that is what I would say, that just enough Democrats will vote for the resolution to make sure it doesn't pass, the rest against.
tad10
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You really think the Dems are going to vote against bombing, when such a vote can only be seen as weakening Obama?