War with Syria

COME ON. GOBCOMEON.GIF

We are talking about the same house that hasn't passed a budget in like 3-4 years, whatever it is. They couldn't even agree to give health care to 9/11 first responders.

You guys are crazy. I hereby avatar bet you ladies that no more than 30% of Republicans in the House will vote for this bullshit.

chaos_sl said:

You guys are crazy. I hereby avatar bet you ladies that no more than 30% of Republicans in the House will vote for this bullshit.

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That's still enough to pass a resolution to bomb. McCain is already all-in, sure he is in the Senate but that should show you that Obama will find the Republicans he needs.

Tuco_sl said:

Not touching that one. I don't trust Congress at all.

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Now you see why I didn't Avatar double or nothing bet you that the House would approve. I think they will, but you can't tell for sure.

tad10_sl said:

That's still enough to pass a resolution to bomb. McCain is already all-in, sure he is in the Senate but that should show you that Obama will find the Republicans he needs.

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That's enough assuming all the Dems are in, which is another crazy assumption. I'd go lower than 30% but I'm not sure exactly what the crazy hawk contingency of the Republican party is as far as numbers these days. No way this resolution happens.

hodj_sl said:

Dude, the 2002 vote for war in Iraq had 40% Democrat support at the time Democrat voters were in the streets screaming no blood for oil, its happening.

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You're a good man Charlie Brown.

McCain has been all in for years and has gathered entirely unimpressive support on the issue.

As for democrats, when Hillary suggested a pre-emptive action years ago when Assad began having troubles, she was quietly informed to shut the fuck up about Syria. The underlying question is the same as it was then: where is theprofitin this?

They might vote for it if the Saudi's pay us. But the Arab League seemed to think we'd do this one pro-bono like last time.

Newp.

Holy fuck Hodj, that map gave me a flashback. Thanks bro.

Good move by the president today. If the nation goes to war it should be with the approval of congress.

That's fine, and true, but don't forget in considering that that there is a risk an action like this would do the exact opposite. If the United States is seen as a clear aggressor (which if he launched a strike tomorrow, we would CLEARLY be, you can't wrap the flag tight enough around that bullshit to hide the stink) it's entirely possible that support for Iran solidifies.

That long range goal is not served with this short range "police keeping" action. It makes no sense to sell the threat of chemical weapons for the threat of nuclear ones.

It was in his speech. Obama knows how unpopular the idea is. He does know that throwing it to Congress kills the idea. What there is positive in throwing it to Congress is in the debate of the issue, and a more cohesive agreement / understanding of the issue among prominent party leaders-- so that when the next opportunity presents itself (which it will), maybe that opportunity will serve us better.

It could hardly serve us worse than what he's proposing to do.

Tuco_sl said:

What do you think the dem vote will be?

Personally I think those congressional weasels will get together and vote in a way that makes the vote barely fail while letting as many chickenhawks vote for war as possible.

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That sounds likely. If pressed that is what I would say, that just enough Democrats will vote for the resolution to make sure it doesn't pass, the rest against.

chaos_sl said:

That sounds likely. If pressed that is what I would say, that just enough Democrats will vote for the resolution to make sure it doesn't pass, the rest against.

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You really think the Dems are going to vote against bombing, when such a vote can only be seen as weakening Obama?