War with Syria

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Loser Araysar

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Braveheart already told us the answer to the whole 'boots on the ground' thing, imho:

-Beg your pardon sir, but won't we hit our own troops?

-Yes. But we'll hit theirs as well. Arrows cost money. The dead cost nothing. Attack.

That quote was butchered worse than Syrian civilians
 

tad10

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If he chooses to stay out and it degenerates into world war 3 it would be a bad choice, or if he chooses to go in and it's all rainbows and sunshine then it is good. Speculation like that really doesn't make sense in these situations.
Staying out is the option least likely to lead to WW3.

Again, I really don't see any reason we should be in Syria. Assad is an asshole, but then so are lots of other leaders.
 

chaos

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Staying out is the option least likely to lead to WW3.

Again, I really don't see any reason we should be in Syria. Assad is an asshole, but then so are lots of other leaders.
I agree, I'm just saying, framing it in that way is really pretty meaningless.

Weren't you all gung-ho for intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq? I seem to remember but we have no record, sadly.
 

hodj

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Relax guys, at least if we invade Syria they'll have democra...nope.Couldn't do it. Couldn't finish the sentence.
 

AngryGerbil

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Whoever is president of the US, or prime minister of the UK, or president of France at any given time has become largely irrelevant. Obama came in on a wave of "change", yet he kept most of the same financial "advisers" (read: bank lobbyists) that Bush had. Mr. Nobel Peace Prize has also kept up the meddling in the Middle East, though the flavour (read: Muslim Brotherhood) may have changed, even if the method hasn't. Same can be said for the UK, doesn't matter if it is Labour Party Tony Blair and Iraq or Conservative David Cameron and Libya/Syria, or right wing Sarkozy or left wing Hollande. "Change" was the name of the campaign, but as is said, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

We here in the West have long since given up on democracy. Sure, our democratically elected leaders can change small stuff, focus on this that or the other, but when it comes to big things, in all these countries we've seen supposedly majour shifts in policy. But have the powers of the bankers been curtailed? Have any been arrested? Have they stopped their warmongering? Or their assaults on our liberties, both in real life and on-line? The spying?

Back when the USSR fell, and with it the "Evil empire" that worked as a benchmark in tyranny that the West could focus on then I started to wonder. If we lose that yardstick with which to compare our nations to "evil" ones, how will we know if we start to slide towards such tyranny ourselves? For a long time now I have feared that we have gone far, far down a road that would have been impossible had we still had such a benchmark with which to compare ourselves. And honestly, I do not see a way to backtrack anymore.
It's funny. I agree with you but I hope you are able to keep your head up. The current situation is abysmal to my eyes as well and for much the same reasons. However, if things truly are this cyclical, as you suggest, and for which I am inclined to agree, then so is the rebirth. The persons who will populate that rebirth - in the way Voltaire and Hume and Gibbon and Petrarch etc.. did will have needed us to have kept our heads up and to have kept on cracking.
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Tuco

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I agree, I'm just saying, framing it in that way is really pretty meaningless.

Weren't you all gung-ho for intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq? I seem to remember but we have no record, sadly.
You're right, predicting a rosy result for what I want to happen is naive. But there's no upside to intervening and the downside to not intervening seems limited.
 

Chukzombi

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these guys know we wont do shit because we are tens of trillions in debt to them and our president is weak. its just a bunch of hullabloo to make people talk about something else besides Snowden, the NSA and all the little "errors" they keep making by monitoring innocent american citizens emails, texts, phone calls and internet activity. if we do do anything it will be some sham attack like when clinton bombed a pill factory which had no military importance whatsoever.
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Saudis offer Russia secret oil deal if it drops Syria


Saudi Arabia has secretly offered Russia a sweeping deal to control the global oil market and safeguard Russia's gas contracts, if the Kremlin backs away from the Assad regime in Syria.The revelations come amid high tension in the Middle East, with US, British, and French warships poised for missile strikes against Syria, and Iran threatening to retaliate. The strategic jitters pushed Brent crude prices to a five-month high of $US112 a barrel.''We are only one incident away from a serious oil spike. The market is a lot tighter than people think,'' said Chris Skrebowski, editor of Petroleum Review.

Leaked transcripts of a behind closed doors meeting between Russia's Vladimir Putin and Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan shed an extraordinary light on the hard-nosed Realpolitik of the two sides.
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Prince Bandar, head of Saudi intelligence, allegedly confronted the Kremlin with a mix of inducements and threats in a bid to break the deadlock over Syria.''Let us examine how to put together a unified Russian-Saudi strategy on the subject of oil. The aim is to agree on the price of oil and production quantities that keep the price stable in global oil markets,'' he is claimed to have said at the four-hour meeting with Mr Putin.''We understand Russia's great interest in the oil and gas in the Mediterranean from Israel to Cyprus. And we understand the importance of the Russian gas pipeline to Europe. We are not interested in competing with that. We can cooperate in this area,'' he said, purporting to speak with the full backing of the US.

The talks appear to offer an alliance between the OPEC cartel and Russia, which together produce more than 40 million barrels a day of oil, 45 per cent of global output. Such a move would alter the strategic landscape.The details of the talks were leaked to the Russian press. A more detailed version has since appeared in the Lebanese newspaper As-Safir, which has Hizbollah links and is hostile to the Saudis.

As-Safir said Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia's naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia's Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord.
''I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the Games are controlled by us,'' he allegedly said.

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on and off.
''We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria's political future.''President Putin has long been pushing for a global gas cartel, issuing the ''Moscow Declaration'' last month to ''defend suppliers and resist unfair pressure''. Mr Skrebowski said it is unclear what the Saudis can really offer the Russians on gas, beyond using leverage over Qatar and others to cut output of liquefied natural gas. Saudi Arabia could help boost oil prices by restricting its own supply. This would be a shot in the arm for Russia, but it would be a dangerous strategy if it pushed prices to levels that put the global economic recovery at risk. Mr Skrebowski said trouble is brewing in supply states.'Libya is reverting to war lordism. Nigeria is drifting into a bandit state with steady loss of output. And Iraq is going back to the sort of Sunni-Shia civil war we saw in 2006-07,'' he said.

The Putin-Bandar meeting took place three weeks ago. Mr Putin was unmoved by the Saudi offer.''We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters,'' he said, referring to footage showing a Jihadist rebel eating the heart and liver of a Syrian soldier.Prince Bandar said that there can be ''no escape from the military option'' if Russia declines the olive branch.Events are unfolding exactly as he foretold.

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Saudis offer Russia secret oil deal if it drops Syria

The Putin-Bandar meeting was stormy, replete with warnings of a "dramatic turn" in Syria. Mr Putin was unmoved by the Saudi offer, though western pressure has escalated since then. "Our stance on Assad will never change. We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters," Putin said, referring to footage showing a Jihadist rebel eating the heart and liver of a Syrian soldier.
 

Lleauaric

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Putin is such an asshole. I really think he is an ex Internet troll instead of ex KGB. Why does Russia still have a seat on the security council anyway, Russia is no longer a world power in any sense of the word. Brazil more deserving.

Anyway... As far as military options... Would we be able to use drones to keep the Syrian Military bottled up and give the Rebels unrestricted freedom of movement? That might be enough.
 

Loser Araysar

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Putin is such an asshole. I really think he is an ex Internet troll instead of ex KGB. Why does Russia still have a seat on the security council anyway,Russia is no longer a world power in any sense of the word.Brazil more deserving.

Anyway... As far as military options... Would we be able to use drones to keep the Syrian Military bottled up and give the Rebels unrestricted freedom of movement? That might be enough.
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Falstaff

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So Russia cares about Syria because of oil? Figures.

also never listen to anything Peter King says again, chaos.
 

Loser Araysar

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yeah bros,

i dont recommend messing with russia

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fanaskin

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It's not everyday you see people acting like north koreans
 

Himeo

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Can we quit pretending this is anything other than a distraction from the NSA spying scandal?

Stump speeches about how corrupt this country has become are like white noise to me now. Stop talking and do something about it already.

It's like listening to a bunch of field slaves talking about how bad the master is. Oh Massa did this, Oh Massa did that, O Lawd Massa such a bad man.
 

Tuco

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The NSA spying isn't a big enough problem for the government to start a war over. Miley Cyrus wearing a retarded suit is bigger news than NSA spying.