Warhammer 40K: Rogue Trader (CRPG)

I keep swapping between dogmatic and iconoclast. Initially was going to do iconoclast, but a ton of these options are just naive. so its iconoclast on small things, and dogmatic on big things often.
handed idira over to the inquisition.

respecced mc and hienrix. I was doing the tank hienrix, but that was just doubling up with ableard. hienrix was mostly just standing around. my MC was ALSO a santic/biomancer sanctioned pysker. word of the emp stacks, but none of the other santic buffs do. so I had my MC as the buff bot with very high resolve. So, I swapped things around, made hienrix the buff/healbot. giving him shield/word/hammer of emp, and targeted heal. while my MC is now santic/telepath.

argenta sniper is really falling behind atm. she started as my carry mostly. long range hits with that longlas. but now does like 20 damage, versus foes with 50-200 hp.. can't chain attacks like cassia, doesnt have the aoe of mc, or single target burst of mc.
not sure if its just the longlas is falling behind, or something else. def considering swapping her to a burst fire build. cassia and mc both do the long range better now.

argenta's second archtypes don't impress me. They all seem to suck. went bounty hunter.
like, officer is godly. but then you can follow it up with either grand tactician or grand strategist.
grand tactician is passively a massive damage boost. you can pop, "press the advantage" for a double, triple or more damage boost. Grand strategist, has insane 0 ap, ground aoe buffs/debuffs, AND automatically makes you go first in combat. all the other, "extra turn", "go first" stuff was nerfed.

one thing I noticed.

I think this is the first Warhammer games that feels properly Grimdark. every other one is a hero fantasy. Dawn of war 1-3, space marine, even darktide, etc.
This one really feels like you are putting a bandaid on a bleeding out corpse. like every single quest ends with, "well I guess the Emperors mercy is the best option here"

Caliane said:

I keep swapping between dogmatic and iconoclast. Initially was going to do iconoclast, but a ton of these options are just naive. so its iconoclast on small things, and dogmatic on big things often.
handed idira over to the inquisition.

respecced mc and hienrix. I was doing the tank hienrix, but that was just doubling up with ableard. hienrix was mostly just standing around. my MC was ALSO a santic/biomancer sanctioned pysker. word of the emp stacks, but none of the other santic buffs do. so I had my MC as the buff bot with very high resolve. So, I swapped things around, made hienrix the buff/healbot. giving him shield/word/hammer of emp, and targeted heal. while my MC is now santic/telepath.

argenta sniper is really falling behind atm. she started as my carry mostly. long range hits with that longlas. but now does like 20 damage, versus foes with 50-200 hp.. can't chain attacks like cassia, doesnt have the aoe of mc, or single target burst of mc.
not sure if its just the longlas is falling behind, or something else. def considering swapping her to a burst fire build. cassia and mc both do the long range better now.

argenta's second archtypes don't impress me. They all seem to suck. went bounty hunter.
like, officer is godly. but then you can follow it up with either grand tactician or grand strategist.
grand tactician is passively a massive damage boost. you can pop, "press the advantage" for a double, triple or more damage boost. Grand strategist, has insane 0 ap, ground aoe buffs/debuffs, AND automatically makes you go first in combat. all the other, "extra turn", "go first" stuff was nerfed.

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ableard was my third best character and my first choice for free extra turn, good 2hander and movement he runs to the back and Melee AoEs everything down.

yeah, abelard pretty solid. have him as proper tank. takes no damage. but, can get in the way of aoe attacks. into the break ult is very solid, almost as good as officers finest hour. mp recharge on kill, lets him run around and murder.
officer regular ability extra turn is only 2 ap though, no movement. so that goes to ranged.

I think the aoe friendly fire was the iconoclast capstone. but I'd have to check.

yeah. Seize the init was nerfed into the ground. no longer gives a free turn at the start.
most of the "give or gain an extra turn" stuff is nerfed to no longer give a turn.

officers ult still gives a targeted free turn with mp and AP, and negates attack count. into the breach warrior ult restores mp and ap, and negates attack count. firearm mastery restores mp/ap, and negates attack count.

officers regular abilities give limited extra turns, do not negate attack count.

I think thats about it now.

A ton of the stacking buffs were also nerfed, capped, or reworked. no longer get cassia +500 wp.
and many of the AP recharge talents were also nerfed. once per combat/round, or gone entirely.

Caliane said:

argenta sniper is really falling behind atm. she started as my carry mostly. long range hits with that longlas. but now does like 20 damage, versus foes with 50-200 hp.. can't chain attacks like cassia, doesnt have the aoe of mc, or single target burst of mc.
not sure if its just the longlas is falling behind, or something else. def considering swapping her to a burst fire build. cassia and mc both do the long range better now.

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I wonder if you're building her wrong or if she was nerfed that hard because I remember some vids of her in action after release and she was a killing machine.

Giving a sister anything other than a bolter is heresy…

Hatorade said:

Giving a sister anything other than a bolter is heresy…

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What about a heavy bolter

Palum said:

What about a heavy bolter

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Flamer is also acceptable.

Gavinmad said:

I wonder if you're building her wrong or if she was nerfed that hard because I remember some vids of her in action after release and she was a killing machine.

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yeah, was basing the build on crpgbros. But lots of stuff changed so of course had to make adjustments.


1.run and gun-unchanged.
3. revel in slaughter-unchanged.
4. comradarie-unchanged. I suppose I've not been making best use of this. but, getting argenta into loS, and also having her surrounded by allies is counter productive.
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12 I grabbed shielf of faith. +1resolve, and armor.
13. unpredictable/it will not die.
14. swift movment instead of skill check. +2mp.

so no alacrity yet.

honestly looks like nothing was directly change for her really. the nerfs were to officer.

finest hour nerf. he was making use of finest hour to give AP on kill. which it no longer does. Now its, "during the extra turn, all their non-attacking abilities cost -1ap." still useful for cassia. and lesser so argenta. revel in slaughter etc are 1 ap.

alot of these talents are based on 100% crit chance and building many hits to stack damage. which I think he was using other stacking officer skills to get extra attacks and buffs, which aren't there anymore.

sniper didnt use versatility/arch militant, since shoot and deadeye shot don't count as two separate attacks from what I can tell. this build uses bounty hunter.
shoot and burst fire are counted as separate for burst fire/arch militant.

bounty hunter has nothing useful for base... but, "claim the bounty" is a 1ap free attack at reduced damage. but, useful for those, "add a stack on crit/damage" buffs.
a bunch of talents that do good stuff on crits.
all falls apart if your not critting or one shotting.

for a burst fire build yeah, Versitility was nerfed.
used to be +5 weapon and ballistic skill per stack, now is +3.
Also, used to be, if the AM has 4 or more stacks the, the AM deals an additional +(weapon skill bonus/2 ) or Ballistic skill, which ever is highest.
now, its +(10+ws bonus)% or bs.
flat added swapped to % increase. which is better depends on other sources of added damage versus %.
for the record atm, unbuffed she has +5 Ws. so it would have been +3 damage, and is now +15%.,

mkopec said:

Yeah I used the alien chick

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