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fanaskin

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Its not that politicized. 100% of "social science" is bullshit, and studies of gender theory as it relates to glacier movements are bullshit, but that stuffs a tiny fraction of the total. Most of the federal research funding -- like essentially all of it -- goes to actual, valid research. Moreover, ~5-10% of proposals are funded. There is a lot more scientific work to be done, and people who want to do the work, but lack of funds slows us down.

Yeah except that whole apparatus is there to expand the military first so it's extremely inefficient for the civilian population.
 

mkopec

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Politically we just need to get back to the constitution. we have strayed away from it so that our republic is only a shadow of its former self.

  • No more lobbying
  • No more $1B dollar campaigns
  • No more "Charity foundations"
  • Dissolve the 2 party system
 

ZyyzYzzy

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Yeah except that whole apparatus is there to expand the military first so it's extremely inefficient for the civilian population.
NIH sure does work so hard and advancing and expanding the military. Same with the FDA and CDC. And the national labs. And DOE.
 

sadris

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Kellerman showed the world that politicized science isn't science. Same thing with the IPCC.
 

Xequecal

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The real question is do you want to make people rich or do you want to make people happy? These are mutually exclusive to an extent, for example we could adopt the whole South Korea-style attitude towards achievement, education, and social justice. We'd get a lot richer but lots and lots of people would be absolutely miserable.
 

yerm

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You can't stop special interest in research up front without inadvertently murdering research grants overall. People unfortunately just do not conduct research projects for the sheer good joy of doing research. They do it for some purpose. Ideally you remove the politicizing on the back end. Have funding be set up front and don't let the politicians and lobbyists have control of the results. Don't let the researchers get a bonus or be granted extra if the end user likes their answers.

Still, in reality where none of that will happen, I'll take my research funded by big pharma and major oil companies over no studies. I deep down really don't think we'd get dick all funded if people didn't think they could push an agenda.
 
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Titan_Atlas

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What's your area of research?

So basically your point cones down to, if you aren't college educated in some research field your opinion is ignorant and uninformed? Well that saves me time ever replying to you, I hope one day your new intelligencia aristocracy gets what they want.
 

yerm

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So basically your point cones down to, if you aren't college educated in some research field your opinion is ignorant and uninformed? Well that saves me time ever replying to you, I hope one day your new intelligencia aristocracy gets what they want.

How do you propose research projects would be funded if interest groups were unable to move an agenda forward via research projects? Who would be funding research and why?
 

Tuco

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So basically your point cones down to, if you aren't college educated in some research field your opinion is ignorant and uninformed? Well that saves me time ever replying to you, I hope one day your new intelligencia aristocracy gets what they want.
No. If I make a point, I make a point, I don't ask a question.

And my point will differ based on the answer to my question. It's important to have information before making statements, because otherwise you talk out of your ass about something you know nothing about.
 

Lendarios

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So basically your point cones down to, if you aren't college educated in some research field your opinion is ignorant and uninformed? Well that saves me time ever replying to you, I hope one day your new intelligencia aristocracy gets what they want.
That was quite a leap from what he replied. like a quantum leap.
 

Titan_Atlas

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If you are mandating that religions get along by law you are not separating church and state.

Actually what would be mandated is that they share the same space. As a religious person you of all people should know religions are incredibly intolerant of each other. By sharing the same space maybe, it causes them to discuss differences and find more common ground and possible over time they meld into a single religion which would be much more tolerable. So yeah, ideally the way to confront ignorance of others beliefs is to put em in the same room let them find their own similarities. Also let them socially reject the extremes their individual groups produce, also it softens the blow coming from other religious people.
 

Tuco

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How is neutronics research funded? Who funds it and why?
Oh, and titan_atlas, this is why I asked my question. I know shit about neutronics. I've found someone who is an expert on neutronics who disagrees with a statement I made. Now I get a chance to learn instead of trying to argue from a standpoint of ignorance.
 

sadris

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How is neutronics research funded? Who funds it and why?

Dept of Energy; They fund it because congress allocates funding for bullshit research as a district-provided stimulus. No reason to fund it because NRC forbids anything other than U-238/U-235 based reactors in the US.
 

Titan_Atlas

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How do you propose research projects would be funded if interest groups were unable to move an agenda forward via research projects? Who would be funding research and why?

Research h would be funded privately based on economy. So if it has practical application and money can be made from it then that drives funding. I honestly don't believe in the pie in sky we will move technologically past our problems belief. I think alot of you guys make your living doing this kind of work and inherently you believe you are part of the community that will save humanity with research. I think is Narcissism that drive your belief in tech.