Weather

Gavinrad_sl said:

As for getting in your car, if you can see a tornado it's too late, if you can't see a tornado, it's too early.

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Gavinrad_sl said:

Yeah because watching a piddly shit F0 or F1 from a country road is the exact same thing as being in a large city with a fucking F4 or F5 bearing down on you. You really are a colossal fucking idiot.

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You can still out run it, you are an idiot. It all depends on where you are in relation to it, if your 3 blocks from it then no. However if you are at the complete opposite end of the city you can out run it. You do realize that people chase these things all the time right, and they fucking freak out and jump for joy if they actually manage to get inside one.

Gavinrad_sl said:

15 minute warning of what, that funnel clouds had been spotted? Have they said anywhere exactly how long this tornado was on the ground? Most tornadoes last less than 10 minutes, F4/F5s can last closer to 20-25 minutes, but that's still not nearly enough time to try and evacuate people in the path, although I guess in this particular case if you knew there was a stronger shelter very near, yes you should move to it.

As for getting in your car, if you can see a tornado it's too late, if you can't see a tornado, it's too early.

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15 minutes ahead of touchdown the sirens in town went off and I assume a broadcast of the warning as well.

Elurin_sl said:

Something that big is going to be much easier to identify ahead of time though. I take it you have never lived anywhere with tornadoes, but the only time they really sneak up on you is when it's dark out. Meteorologists are pretty good about issuing tornado watches well before the storm moves through. Warnings are issued once the storm actually starts rolling through, and that's when the sirens start.

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Most people are also idiots and fail to realize just because the wind speed is 200+ MPH that the actual tornado itself doesn't travel at that speed. The night thing is completely true and scary as shit, I watched tornado rip across the street about quarter mile in front of me in Alabama while out with my brother in-law on a voluntary fire fighter call about multiple tornadoes. Helped rescue a farmer and his family when a tornado decided the barn would be a lovely addition to the roof of their house.

Look dipshits, in this particular case, the tornado first touched down in a fairly rural part of Newcastle, the tv weathermen could tell that it was a monster and went on the air, about 10 mins or so before it hit the heart of Moore, telling people that the only way to survive this was below ground. For those that don't live in tornado alley, that's code for RUN, GTFO if you don't have a basement! So in this single, unique instance, yes, the meteorologists were on-air telling people to get in their cars and drive away, at right angles, if at all possible.

Elurin_sl said:

Something that big is going to be much easier to identify ahead of time though. I take it you have never lived anywhere with tornadoes, but the only time they really sneak up on you is when it's dark out. Meteorologists are pretty good about issuing tornado watches well before the storm moves through. Warnings are issued once the storm actually starts rolling through, and that's when the sirens start.

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I'm a ways east of tornado alley, but we still get tornadoes in central IL. The Tri-State Tornado was the longest (and until 1989 the deadliest) tornado in modern history and traveled through Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana, far to east of tornado alley.

TheBeagle_sl said:

Look dipshits, in this particular case, the tornado first touched down in a fairly rural part of Newcastle, the tv weathermen could tell that it was a monster and went on the air, about 10 mins or so before it hit the heart of Moore, telling people that the only way to survive this was below ground. For those that don't live in tornado alley, that's code for RUN, GTFO if you don't have a basement! So in this single, unique instance, yes, the meteorologists were on-air telling people to get in their cars and drive away, at right angles, if at all possible.

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Yeah I'm not saying the weatherman was wrong, for this specific case. But any other time, no, you don't get in your car and try to get away.

Eh you also had a 16 minutes from warning to touchdown(in newcastle, longer before it reached the big populated area). Also had another major warning(for it moving to major population area) after it had touched down and data was analyzed. "For the citizens of Moore, the tornado emergency was declared at 3:01 p.m., about 14 minutes before the tornado reached the city." The emergency was declared after touchdown. So looking at a decent time from the initial warning(and later the bigger warnning) to it reaching the major populated areas, looks at least 30 minutes.

Pretty crazy how far ahead warnings are compared to just 10-20 years ago.

i'm not sure how often tornado WATCHES are issued but it seems like that would be the time to act. there is absolutely no way most people are getting out of town with a 16-minute warning.

16 minutes was time between warning and touchdown out in the rural areas, it was another 14 minutes before it reached the heavy populated area. I would think that's plenty of time, especially given where you live, I would guess warnings pop up everywhere on TV, radio etc and probably have sirens all over town. Maybe not get out of town, but make it to some shelter.

well yeah they can take shelter but people scrambling to leave town would be a disaster

supertouch_sl said:

i'm not sure how often tornado WATCHES are issued but it seems like that would be the time to act. there is absolutely no way most people are getting out of town with a 16-minute warning.

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A watch just means a storm system capable of producing tornadic activity is passing through the county. A tornado warning means funnel clouds or tornadoes have been spotted in the county. Tornado watches are not uncommon even here, two states east of tornado alley, I imagine damn near every big storm in the alley causes tornado watches as it passes through. You really can't act just because a watch was issued or else you'd be evacuating several nights a month for nothing.

I'd imagine that most people living in tornado alley are rather complacent about tornado watches and warnings, given that the vast majority of tornadoes are (relatively) small things that only last a few minutes.

Wikipedia_sl said:

In the United States, 80% of tornadoes are EF0 and EF1 (T0 through T3) tornadoes. The rate of occurrence drops off quickly with increasing strength-less than 1% are violent tornadoes (EF4, T8 or stronger).

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So only 1 in 100 tornadoes will be F4 or stronger. It's impractical to expect people to leave their houses, which are perfectly capable of protecting them from an F0 or F1, because there is a 1% chance that it could be F4+. Then in this case, they only had 14 minutes warning that it was in fact a violent tornado, so that really isn't enough time to do anything.

Also, the death toll from this tornado is pretty small. The current count is what, 21? I mean I'm sure it's just awful for the families who lost loved ones, but the death toll from the 1999 OKC tornado was 44, more than twice this one. The monster that wiped Joplin off the map in 2011 killed 162. The Tri-State back in 1925 killed 695, and a tornado in bangladesh in 1989 killed over 1300.

supertouch_sl said:

well yeah they can take shelter but people scrambling to leave town would be a disaster

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Agreed. I thought we were discussing if you were supposed to exit your car and seek substantial shelter or drive away from the tornado given approximately 15 minutes of warning.

I do not live in tornado alley but they are still frequent in the area. You get lots of watches and then can go on for 12+ hours in some cases. Normally here by the time you get a tornado warning you already know it's going to be pretty bad just from the thunderstorms along with it. Often by the time you get a warning the power is already out, internet out, and limited cell phone service to see where exactly the storm is.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/h...#disqus_thread

This.

I was supporting him until he started babbling that moronic bullshit about HURR DURR STOP LIVING IN A PLACE CALLED TORNADO ALLEY.



Sure, lets just abandon a gigantic chunk of US farmland because there might be a tornado!!! By that logic, we shouldn't allow anyone to live within 50 miles of the east coast/gulf of mexico, or within 300 miles of the san andreas or new madrid fault lines either.

going off tornados for a sec, for those interested in the el nino la nina , it looks like a la nina may develop - way too early to tell but as of right now we have gone a year in -essentially "neutral"(we had a brief period of -almost el nino last june thru august-temps barely over the threshold but it never stayed over the threshold for 3 months) and the ocean temps are currently dropping on the enso tables.

in order to qualify as either el nino or la nina the temps have to diverge from the "normal" by 0.5c for 3 consecutive months, so +0.5 or higher for el nino and -0.5c or lower for la nina,

that green tongue on that lower graph -that is the nino3.4 region is, it is in la nina temp wise, now we need to wait to see what happens..
nino area's 1 +2 have been la nina since just prior to april 1st, nino 3 is only at -.2 and the important 3.4 is -.1 however temps seem to be currently dropping, it might change next week, or not...
go here for the current "week" analysis, just click on the area you want to look at :http://stateoftheocean.osmc.noaa.gov/sur/pac/

here is the past week's "current" condition. this only updates once a week

Kirun_sl said:

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/h...#disqus_thread

This.

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Hahaha. What a whiny little bitch. Continue to go fuck yourself. Or maybe you and he can go jerk each other off while talking about how courageous you are for telling Oklahoma to fuck off "too soon". You're soedgy.

the mayor of Moore has asked for an ordinance that all new homes built in the city have a storm shelter or safe room.

re: tornado watch - their could be a storm in Missouri headed towards Chicago and we'd be under a tornado watch. They don't mean anything. Gavinrad nailed it.

EYAHUSA, if i was buying a house or building a house in that town, that is the FIRST thing i would specifiy- a storm shelter/Basement. that is a common sense ordinance, they should approve it.