Weight Loss Thread

Antarius_sl said:

Physically impossible, that's like saying... My genetics make me able to defy gravity. If you have a hormonal imbalance that is slowing your metabolism, then you might not be burning as many calories as a "normal" person... But you aren't burning more calories than you intake and still gaining weight.

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It's cute that you'd rather deny reality than believe what you were taught about calories was wrong. A calories is a calorie. It has to be. Hormones, the chemicals that control growth for every other part of your body don't work for this one spot because a calorie is a calorie is a calorie.

Hilarious.

The answer, of course, is that insulin resistance and high levels of insulin in your blood will send all of those calories to your fat cells for storage and leave the other cells in your body to starve.

Himeo_sl said:

I made it pretty clear earlier that I was that guy. He eats because he's hungry, and the food available to him is loaded with sugar. He has the same problem I had where I'd eat a massive meal and throw up before the hunger went away. Laugh at people using genetics as an excuse, but for some percent of the population sugar is poison. Some people can't drink milk. Some people can't eat eggs. The land whales out there are my people, and sugar is the culprit.

Five months without sugar. Five months without hunger. This keto shit saved my life.

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He eats because he's bored and depressed and probably fucking hates himself. No one is hungry enough to eat all the shit he eats, he just powers through that shit.

I see you're full on with this thing, and I'm glad you're making progress. But this dude isn't a victim. He makes horrible life choices every single day. Sugar isn't "poison" to him, he just eats too fucking much and does literally ZERO activity.

Every couple of years they come out with some new scapegoat to blame for people's poor behavior. Because people don't like being told that their behavior is the problem, instead they want to hear that fats are the problem, or carbs, or sugars, or whatever. In some cases sure, that might be the case. But as a rule? Nah, not so much.

That is pretty awesome Chaos and Himeo.

I decided to go on a dietary roller coaster in honor of my birthday. I basically gave myself a pass this last weekend and just went balls to the wall eating whatever I felt like. Started the weekend at 237 and was 244 by Monday morning. I have been doing daily check ins on weight as I get back in ketosis just to see the impact and how my body would handle falling off the wagon. Ended up going 244 > 240.4 > 238.6 > 237 as of today so it seems to bounce back nicely and was mostly water weight.

The only obnoxious part is entering ketosis again, it isn't hard, generally takes 3 - 4 days. The problem is keto flu, which I forgot about. I feel like junk this week, good times.

Would you mind giving us an example of what you ate for a day? I'm interested in what could have made you gain fucking 7 pounds in a single weekend.

Lots of progress in this thread, good shit!

chaos_sl said:

He eats because he's bored and depressed and probably fucking hates himself. No one is hungry enough to eat all the shit he eats, he just powers through that shit.

I see you're full on with this thing, and I'm glad you're making progress. But this dude isn't a victim. He makes horrible life choices every single day. Sugar isn't "poison" to him, he just eats too fucking much and does literally ZERO activity.

Every couple of years they come out with some new scapegoat to blame for people's poor behavior. Because people don't like being told that their behavior is the problem, instead they want to hear that fats are the problem, or carbs, or sugars, or whatever. In some cases sure, that might be the case. But as a rule? Nah, not so much.

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Why? Because personal responsibility has to be on the land whales? Did you "choose" to become an adult or did the hormones in your body drive growth? Did you eat more as you got older? Was that your fault for needing to eat larger meals than a child? Of course not. You eat more because your body needs more fuel at your current weight than when you were a child.

"No one is hungry enough to eat all the shit he eats, he just powers through that shit."

Call me a liar. I'm just telling you what I dealt with. Yes, I was massive, and I was starving every day eating the kind of stuff he eats.

I'm not saying, as a rule, sugar is poison for everyone. I am saying that for most people a hundred or more pounds over weight it certainly is the cause.

Kithani_sl said:

Would you mind giving us an example of what you ate for a day? I'm interested in what could have made you gain fucking 7 pounds in a single weekend.

Lots of progress in this thread, good shit!

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Probably anything and everything he saw.

I gained 30 pounds in about 2 weeks a few years ago. I had been living overseas and was sitting at about 185 when flew back to the USA for a 2-week vacation. I hadn't had anything other than potatoes, cabbage, and horse meat for over a year, so I went insane eating everything I ever wanted. Whole packages of sugar cookies, several bags of doritos, 300+ pizza rolls, 12-inch steak subs smothered in melty cheese, anything and everything fried, ice cream, hamburgers, several stuffed crust pizzas all spread over the 2 week period. I weighed myself on the day I returned overseas and I was sitting at 215.

People like to say that weight gain doesn't happen quickly--and that is usually true--but if you really try you can put on a fucking massive amount of weight in a very short period of time. Granted, most of Ubiquitrips' weight was probably water retention/bloating.

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On the topic of sugar as a poison: sugar isn't a poison, but TOO MUCH sugar is. A little sugar now and then isn't going to make anyone magically get fat. The weight comes when your sugar intake gets excessive, which unfortunately is pretty normal for the standard American diet. If someone is morbidly obese, it's not because a little sugar reacted horribly to their body. It's because they ate way, way too much sugar.

Himeo_sl said:

Why? Because personal responsibility has to be on the land whales? Did you "choose" to become an adult or did the hormones in your body drive growth? Did you eat more as you got older? Was that your fault for needing to eat larger meals than a child? Of course not. You eat more because your body needs more fuel at your current weight than when you were a child.

"No one is hungry enough to eat all the shit he eats, he just powers through that shit."

Call me a liar. I'm just telling you what I dealt with. Yes, I was massive, and I was starving every day eating the kind of stuff he eats.

I'm not saying, as a rule, sugar is poison for everyone. I am saying that for most people a hundred or more pounds over weight it certainly is the cause.

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I'm telling you, I have known this guy for 7 years. I watch him eat almost every day. I eat more meals with him at work due to my rotating schedule than I eat with my family. I'm not judging you or calling you a liar, if you saw a doctor or something and had confirmation of this, then whatever. Even if you didn't and are just making a nebulous self-diagnosis based off of shit on the internet, really, you're making progress so I don't care. But this guy we're talking about here? Sugar isn't a poison to him, sedentary lifestyle and eating enough food for two people (at least) is his poison. I eat sugar pretty much every day and I'm doing pretty great, for me. The difference is, I don't eat ALL the fucking sugar. Plus tacos.

Personal responsibility is on everyone, at some point. We eat more because we are conditioned to eat more. Do I need more food now than I did as a 13 year old? I highly doubt it. But I probably used to eat more. At the end of the day, you are responsible for the portion on your plate, for the kind of food you eat, for the lack of medical attention if you need it, for the lack of exercise, etc. The buck stops at you, or me, or whoever.

McCheese, bro, if you don't have diabetes and Tom fucking Hanks does, there is no god.

Kithani_sl said:

Would you mind giving us an example of what you ate for a day? I'm interested in what could have made you gain fucking 7 pounds in a single weekend.

Lots of progress in this thread, good shit!

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Eating anything and everything is pretty accurate. Sunday was probably the worst of the days. I started off going to a brunch buffet (Jax Cafe, Minneapolis, do it) which was incredible. Large amounts of waffle / pancake / fruit / roast beef / quiche type things were put down. Two medium to full plates or so of that type of thing. Wife and I went to the apple orchard in the afternoon so I had a bunch of cider and a caramel apple, apple cookies, apple donuts a little after. Dinner was chicken pot pie and my mother made an angel food cake with whipped cream / strawberry preserves.

Thankfully this didn't kick in any sort of cravings for sweets again. I find I miss the 'better' for you carb items more than the sweets (potatoes,pot pie, etc.).

If McCheese wasn't given 12 days to live when he was pounding down family size bags of pizza rolls as chips then life isn't fair.

chaos_sl said:

I'm telling you, I have known this guy for 7 years. I watch him eat almost every day. I eat more meals with him at work due to my rotating schedule than I eat with my family. I'm not judging you or calling you a liar, if you saw a doctor or something and had confirmation of this, then whatever. Even if you didn't and are just making a nebulous self-diagnosis based off of shit on the internet, really, you're making progress so I don't care. But this guy we're talking about here? Sugar isn't a poison to him, sedentary lifestyle and eating enough food for two people (at least) is his poison. I eat sugar pretty much every day and I'm doing pretty great, for me. The difference is, I don't eat ALL the fucking sugar. Plus tacos.

Personal responsibility is on everyone, at some point. We eat more because we are conditioned to eat more. Do I need more food now than I did as a 13 year old? I highly doubt it. But I probably used to eat more. At the end of the day, you are responsible for the portion on your plate, for the kind of food you eat, for the lack of medical attention if you need it, for the lack of exercise, etc. The buck stops at you, or me, or whoever.

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No bro, you don't understand, IT'S GLANDULAR! It's not my fault I'm 300 pounds.

fifey_sl said:

No bro, you don't understand, IT'S GLANDULAR! It's not my fault I'm 300 pounds.

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It's not a matter of fault, it's an issue of knowledge. People in the early part of the 20th century didn't know smoking caused cancer. The assholes at the USDA advised us to cut fat out of the diet and replace it with sugar. They didn't know sugar was one of the main factors in heart disease (via inflammation), and fat was an innocent bystander in the process.

You can't tell me it's my fault for being fat when I trusted the nutrition advice I learned in school and the diet advice I got from doctors espousing "Eat less, exercise more, calories in vs calories out". When that's as scientific as someone telling you in the early part of the 20th century that vapors and dark miasma was the cause of your cancer.

You got fat because you ate more calories than you burned. It doesn't matter if those came from sugar. It's been proven that you can lose weight eating almost nothing but horrible junk food as long as the total calories in is less than the calories out. Obviously, you wouldn't be healthy, but you wouldn't be fat either.

Saying that "Eat less, exercise more, calories in vs calories out" is unscientific and a lie is just stupid. Wow.

Himeo, I think you're confused.

Let's be scientific. How about we compare the efficacy of various diets? How about we get some asshole from Stanford to do that for us?

McCheese_sl said:

You got fat because you ate more calories than you burned. It doesn't matter if those came from sugar. It's been proven that you can lose weight eating almost nothing but horrible junk food as long as the total calories in is less than the calories out. Obviously, you wouldn't be healthy, but you wouldn't be fat either.

Saying that "Eat less, exercise more, calories in vs calories out" is unscientific and a lie is just stupid. Wow.

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I hate this thread, but somehow can't stay away. It's like a grisly train wreck where after a few moments of looking away you glance back again only to be horrified anew.

"Eat less, exercise more, calories in vs calories out" is terrible, horrible, awful advice. It is the Abstinence Only, Just Say No of health advice; technically true but completely impractical, unhelpful, pointless and taking the place of better, more comprehensive advice.

You do not get fatjustfrom consuming Calories, your body has toactively store those Calories as fat. If something you eat, whether it contains Calories or not, causes your body's metabolic process to store Calories when it otherwise wouldn't or shouldn't you will get fat. So yes,whatyou eat matters quite a bit... and for a lot of people it mattersmorethan how much you eat.

You can starve yourself skinny, but you can't starve yourself healthy or happy. So sure, if you want to starve yourself your entire life to be skinnier but probably less healthy and more miserable then it ispossible, but it is also absolutely terrible advice that rarely works in the long-term. Instead, if you actually want tosolvea problem, and not just treat a symptom, you address its root causes like culture, poverty, education, food supply quality, access.

In the meantime you advise individuals to eatbetter, not less. When you eat better you eat less without starving,improvinghealth while losing weight, not impairing it.

I have found that I lost more weight when I was weightlifting and then running 5 times a week while eating grilled chicken an vegetables every day. When I was eating Wendy's everyday I gained more weight. Scientifically proving that soda is bad.

I admit I didn't watch the whole video (and I won't; I have no desire to spend an hour of my weekend on it) but from 10 minutes of flipping through, I see him talking about how sugar affects the energy density of foods. Reducing sugar and adding fiber, for example, eating yogurt with real berries instead of a sugary, berry-flavored jam, fills you up more but has less calories.

That's why so many people have gotten so fat from sugar. It's not because OMG SUGAR IS POISON. It's because replacing satiating, healthy things like fat and fiber with refined sugar leads to more calories in food that is less filling. Therefore, people eat more and take in more calories than they burn.

I hate this thread, but somehow can't stay away. It's like a grisly train wreck where after a few moments of looking away you glance back again only to be horrified anew.

"Eat less, exercise more, calories in vs calories out" is terrible, horrible, awful advice. It is the Abstinence Only, Just Say No of health advice; technically true but completely impractical, unhelpful, pointless and taking the place of better, more comprehensive advice.

You do not get fat just from consuming Calories, your body has to actively store those Calories as fat. If something you eat, whether it contains Calories or not, causes your body's metabolic process to store Calories when it otherwise wouldn't or shouldn't you will get fat. So yes, what you eat matters quite a bit... and for a lot of people it matters more than how much you eat.

You can starve yourself skinny, but you can't starve yourself healthy or happy. So sure, if you want to starve yourself your entire life to be skinnier but probably less healthy and more miserable then it is possible, but it is also absolutely terrible advice that rarely works in the long-term. Instead, if you actually want to solve a problem, and not just treat a symptom, you address its root causes like culture, poverty, education, food supply quality, access.

In the meantime you advise individuals to eat better, not less. When you eat better you eat less without starving, improving health while losing weight, not impairing it.

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Yes, I agree with everything you've said (and I've said it several times in this thread). However, if you've read any of Himeo's recent posts he's basically saying that eating sugar is the sole reason people are fat ("sugar is poison"). That is absurd. It's a lot more complicated that that, just like it's a lot more complicated than "eat less, exercise more".

For instance the example of the guy that chaos mentioned. That guy isn't fat because he eats sugar, or any other scientific reason. He's fat because he eats way too fucking much! It's just like my 350+ pound coworker who sits in her cube next to me all day EATING. Literally, from 9 to 5 I never stop hearing the sound of bottles opening, chips crunching, and bags crinkling. WHAT she is eating is far less important than HOW MUCH she is eating.

Just started reading eat to live. Interesting book...I really need to focus on more fruits and veggies. It makes so much sense just somehow I still don't eat enough.

Fair enough, although I am in the sugar is really bad camp. Although that camp involves the "fiber is a critical nutrient" camp and it is really hard to tease the two apart since they are pretty must inversely proportional in every food.

As to your co-worker, I totally agree she eats too much. But they question is why does she eat too much? I'd contend that what she is eating is the root cause of the overeating behavior. It really is hard to overeat enough to become obese on non-junk food. I don't even mean on carbohydrates overall, even if you ate whatever you wanted but cooked everything yourself only avoided "sweets" I think it would be quite hard to drastically overeat (maybe a little).