Weight Loss Thread

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Maybe(me having self control), I'm still pretty bad on sugar levels. Which, I'm not totally sold on the current doom and gloom. For instance, today I had 120g of sugar. That's on the higher end of average for me. I usually do between 80g and 120g. I should get a blood test sometime. My wife eats pretty similarly to me, and she had a test for gestational diabetes and she was the very edge for one metric and they declared her diabetic. I understand their precaution and I'm sure they see a lot of people worse than us, just seems a little overblown to me.

EDIT: what Phoenix said. Hell, half my motivation to go to the gym is so I can eat more.
 
Khane

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I don't believe they were performing regularly, just that one instance actually. I'm not sure I was watching it at work so I may have missed a few things here and there lol.

Now that I never knew, how it affects your hunger later in the day. That's interesting, I can't read the article atm. Mind explaining the basic reasoning behind it? Also, that title... How exactly does it affect different people of different weights?
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The results were inconclusive for the obese people because they actually ate less in both scenarios than the normal weight people did

t the conclusion of the study, researchers found that only normal-weight subjects had a statistically significant reduction in caloric consumption during the slow compared to the fast meal: 88 kcal less for the normal weight group, versus only 58 kcal less for the overweight or obese group.

"Slowing the speed of eating led to a significant reduction in energy intake in the normal-weight group, but not in the overweight or obese group. A lack of statistical significance in the overweight and obese group may be partly due to the fact that they consumed less food during both eating conditions compared to the normal-weight subjects," explained lead author Meena Shah, PhD, professor in the Department of Kinesiology at Texas Christian University."It is possible that the overweight and obese subjects felt more self-conscious, and thus ate less during the study."
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As for the reasoning behind why it's been observed in various studies? They don't know. It could be because hunger is a product of needing to refuel. If you eat really fast I suppose your body won't be able to get at the energy any faster, so you aren't sating your hunger because you aren't refueling thus you keep eating. Whereas eating slowly allows the body to use that food for energy so the hunger subsides while you're still eating? That's just a guess on my part. They didn't even go into reasoning. Just talked about the results.
 
Khane

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So back to actual weight loss. I'm down 14.2 lbs in 6 weeks. Feeling slim, trim and ready for action. I only did the 1300 calorie thing for 2 weeks. Been swinging in at 1500-1800 most days. Feels good bros. I'm about to be under 180lbs for the first time in 6 years.

And that's the opposite of my motivation Deathwing. Half the reason I eat so little is so I don't have to spend as much time at the gym. If I keep this up I am going to be in great shape during golf season. Walking 18 holes 3-4 times per week is a great workout.
 
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My understanding of why you shouldn't eat simple carbs and fats is because the carbs spike your insulin. If your insulin level is high you don't want a lot of fat floating around
 
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Deathwing_sl said:
No, I honestly didn't feel like devoting an hour to something Ossoi posted.

There's got to be some natural foods that combine sugar and fat. Milk doesn't count? Maybe some nuts or legumes?

"...because it turns off the body's ability to regulate macro nutrients..." sound suspect to me. Because I eat two macros that my body needs, carbs and fat, at the same time, shit's going to go haywire? Hunger, sure, that one's easy to suspect. But I'm smarter than a rat, I know when to stop regardless of what my body is telling me.
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Why don't you just watch it you cretin - it's a BBC 2 documentary that was broadcast at prime time viewing hours here in the UK - it's not some backwater cable channel shit
 
Denaut

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Deathwing_sl said:
I thought humans couldn't digest cellulose. We lack the enzyme to break the acetal link. It's basically fiber.
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Good point, I misspoke a bit. The fiber doesn't really feed you so much as the good bacteria, which can break it down. When you don't feed them (low amounts of fiber), there aren't many of them. If you suddenly start eating a lot of fiber, then there is more there than the amount of bacteria left can (at least partially) break down. This means that the fiber stays too whole coming out the other end, and therefore very hard.

Over time the bacteria population will grow if you feed them (assuming there are enough left to repopulate your gut).

Why is Fiber Good For You? The Crunchy Truth
 
Denaut

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The Fat/Sugar thing... is complicated.

There have been tons of studies and experiments done at this point about how humans (and animals for that matter) regulate their food intake. We actually use all sorts of cues to determine if we are "full" or not, including visual confirmation about how much we've eaten. This has been demonstrated in experiments involving plate size, "never-ending" soup bowls, etc. It is also why bigger portion sizes make us eat, and therefore buy, more food. McDonalds started providing larger sizes for fries and soda because their research showed people will buy (and eat) more if you sold them larger portions sizes as opposed to letting them buy 2 or 3 of something.

But, we most heavily rely on biochemical cues. The idea behind the fat/sugar combo screwing with us has to do with the antagonistic nature of leptin and insulin. Leptin is the hormone your fat cells produce to tell your brain "Got enough, stop eating!", but this is blocked by insulin. Insulin goes up in response to blood sugar increases when you eat sugar. So, if you eat sugar with your fat, then the fat provides the energy density (9 kc per gram), and the sugar turns off the "I've had enough" signal. It is a pretty potent combo.
 
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There was a lot to criticise about the program:

The stock trading experiment was done 2 weeks in - not enough time for the high fat guy to get keto adapted and for his brain/body get used to running on ketones.

The whole high fat = pre-diabetic has been debunked too. Yes, a low carb keto diet will increase insulin resistance - this is to make sure what little glucose available to the body is used to fuel brain activity - so insulin resistance goes up to reserve glucose for the brain and not for muscles. Marksdailyapple said that activity such as weight lifting and then eating carbs postworkout can boost insulin sensitivity to fuel the muscles and then fuel the brain - but the high fat twin wasn't lifting weights and apart from the bike trials there was little mention of regular exercise!

Also, no mention or monitoring of protein intake so is it a surprise muscle loss occurred?


My take on the Horizon documentary s Blog - A Good Look at Good Health[132314370272280]&action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]&action_ref_map=[]

Fats vs Carbs: is truth really on the Horizon? Dawn Waldron
 
Itlan

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Big Phoenix_sl said:
You guys worry too much. You only live once.
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I don't worry, I just like to increase my understanding of nutrition any chance I get. I'll probably have a bacon cheeseburger with onion rings for lunch.
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Khane also brought up a good point about the guy on the high fat diet eating less overall than the high carbs, and how it effected his ability to workout which I can say from experience is very true. High carb diet always resulted with me powering through my workouts and becoming a lot stronger, while I felt sluggish and tired when I tried high fat. This can differentiate from person to person obviously, but I definitely prefer high carb to high fat.
 
Khane

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Itlan_sl said:
I don't worry, I just like to increase my understanding of nutrition any chance I get. I'll probably have a bacon cheeseburger with onion rings for lunch.
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Khane also brought up a good point about the guy on the high fat diet eating less overall than the high carbs, and how it effected his ability to workout which I can say from experience is very true. High carb diet always resulted with me powering through my workouts and becoming a lot stronger, while I felt sluggish and tired when I tried high fat. This can differentiate from person to person obviously, but I definitely prefer high carb to high fat.
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Like I said, when you are doing a low carb (aka high fat) diet AND you are exercising regularly you need to adjust your carb intake. Even the low carb diet books will tell you to do that. The more you exercise the more carbs you should be eating for the reasons Ossoi mentioned in his post above (I can't believe I just said that).
 
Itlan

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Khane_sl said:
Like I said, when you are doing a low carb (aka high fat) diet AND you are exercising regularly you need to adjust your carb intake. Even the low carb diet books will tell you to do that. The more you exercise the more carbs you should be eating for the reasons Ossoi mentioned in his post above (I can't believe I just said that).
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