Weight Loss Thread

Yeah I think the same thing, When I ate more I was going at least once per day. Now it is like once every 2-3 days.

Sweets are really my undoing, I am with lindz and I have to just put it down. I have a real problem eating one piece of chocolate, or one tiny bit of ice cream. I want it fucking ALLL. If I don't regret it almost immediately it's like "what's the point?"

So I eat sweets once per week maybe and that makes it easier. It also makes me less used to the sweetness or something, I find it gets cloying much more quickly and turns me off the idea of sweets in general.

lindz_sl said:

Been two weeks without eating sweets and I am harsh craving chocolate and ice cream. I am such a comfort eater and I've been stressed lately so this is torture. I feel like an addict. When does it get easier? lol

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Try dark chocolate or coconut.

Coconut oil?

If the addition of lots of leafy greens is relatively recent, the ass splitters are caused by the lack of the right amount of gut bacteria to break down all that plant cellulose (fiber). It'll eventually get better as the bacteria you need to break it all down properly repopulate now that you are feeding them again. Or, at least it should. If it doesn't you might need a fecal transplant

Fecal transplant!!! Yeah this is a recent change, so I'll wait it out. The ass splitters aren't annoying or anything, it actually feels good afterwards, like I gave birth to some demon spawn.

Kovaks_sl said:

Had a 2 salads yesterday both with lettuce and had an ass splitter today. Not sure if related i think in my case it is more that i am eating less and so crapping less which means each shit is bigger. No science though.

As for eating sweets, counting calories helps me too, with that i know how much i can eat and not get too unhealthy. I usually also have a cheat day too where i eat some of the things i don't normally include during the week. I try not to go overboard but if im 5000 under my caloric intake for the week then a bowl of icecream isnt gonna kill me as long as it isnt a whole pint.

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Well you've got to give it some time. I'm not sure what's going on in chaos' instance if he really is eating leafy greens twice a day every day. Lettuce is definitely an aid in digestion and a natural cure for constipation so it should be helping with your "ass splitters" over time (assuming the rest of your diet is balanced and you aren't snorting percocet for entertainment)

I'm glad "ass splitters" is becoming adopted as common terminology here. Please use it as frequently as possible

Not just here i used it in the real world as well.

So I watched that link and it basically preaches something that has been known for awhile - stop combining fat and sugar. Now the question I have is does this apply to whole foods, such as fruits and veggies with a steak? Or this specifically targeted at processed foods like donuts, ice cream, etc. Because does an avocado not have both fat and sugar? Do beans not have almost a perfect ratio of fat, carbs, and protein?

It is a rather dumb question, I realize this, but I'm just looking for a definitive answer from someone who perhaps has a better understanding of nutrition than myself.

The fat debate has been pretty much put to rest at this point by most studies. Now sugar is under fire. Overindulging in sugar is universally agreed upon as being bad. However, there is a lot of different thoughts on how much sugar you should eat, what kinds of sugar you should eat, etc etc. There are a lot of studies that "kind of support" both limiting sugar intake severely, and also making sure not to eat any "added sugar". Basically there is no answer right now and it's hard to figure out what's what.

As for not combining fats and sugars that is hard to swallow. How are you supposed to do that and what is it about our bodies that makes it ok to eat them separate (and in what time intervals) vs eating them at the same time? I haven't really seen much evidence to support health benefits of sugar itself so I just try to hit my macros without eating much sugar at all (I eat less than 20g per day and usually less than 15).

There is no definitive answer regarding what is an appropriate amount of sugar. There is some evidence about different types of sugar being bad or good for you (sucrose, fructose and dextrose).

TL;DR There is no definitive answer right now. The focus on sugar as the culprit of obesity is still in its infant stages.

Here is what I know, when you're talking about the layman saying "stop eating sugar" is something they can understand. When you tell an obese person that and they listen they will be a lot healthier because most processed, garbage food is high in sugar so they immediately cut out shit like ice cream, donuts, candy, soda and a lot of prepackaged shit and fast food (McDonald's used to put sugar (dextrose) in their french fries) etc. Things that have little to no health benefit, don't sate hunger and cause spikes in blood sugar and lead to diabetes. Eat fruit, especially things like strawberries. I still feel the verdict is not in on combining fats with sugars.

Here is some reading:
Challenging the Fructose Hypothesis: New Perspectives on Fructose Consumption and Metabolism

Deathwing_sl said:

Why is bad to combine those?

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Did you not watch the clip? It basically explains how rats who ate nothing but sugar, or nothing but fats, gained no weight at all, but combining the two in the form of cheesecake made them gain weight substantially because it turns off the bodies ability to regulate macro nutrients and hunger. Doctors have been clamoring on about this for quite sometime, how no natural food combines fat and sugar and that's the reason we love things like donuts, ice cream, cheesecake, etc. They're 50/50 sugar:fat ratio and we eat them en masse because of the signals it sends to the brain.

Now my simple question is adding something like CHEESE i.e. FAT to PASTA i.e. CARBS producing the same result? Is putting BUTTER on CORN producing that same result? Anyone understand what I'm getting at?

Also, perhaps the most interesting thing in that video is the dude who had an all fat diet became almost pre-diabetic after a month, while the guy who had an all carbs/sugar diet became healthier with concerns to insulin. Guy who ate all fat also lost more weight, but with a much greater % being muscle rather than body fat. And the all sugar/carbs diet proved much better in terms of physical activity.

Again, small sample size, but interesting results nonetheless.

The problem is we need to see real evidence of this in humans, not rats. That study is bonkers.

You've got 2 people, studied over a month. It's "shock and awe" science.

Plenty of natural foods have both fat and sugar. The point he was making though is that not many have both in similar amounts. Nuts have some sugar but far more fat.

It could be true based on what we know about how the body fuels itself (carbs first, then fats, then non-essential proteins). In theory eating both fats and ALL SIMPLE CARBS at the same time could cause issues with accessing them for energy, I suppose. I'm not going to pretend I know much about that sort of thing. But it seems highly unlikely since, if we aren't going over our equilibrium caloric intake the human body should still be able to burn it all off regardless.

I glazed over that video briefly. Tell me, when they feed the rats nothing but "sugar" was it table sugar? How many calories was it? When they fed them nothing but fat what were they feeding them and how many calories? When they fed them cheesecake how many calories was that?

It's crackpot science Deathwing. But in theory I guess it could be true because your body actually does know what you've ingested and where to look for energy first. It at least warrants an actual, real, long term study on humans.

That "study" is hardly worth changing your eating habits over.

I'm too busy confusing my muscles and making sure I eat every 2 hours so I don't go into starvation mode to care.

The biggest problem I see is that all simple carbs are broken down into sugar molecules which we then burn for energy. So saying don't mix sugar and fat doesn't make much sense to me because then eating any simple carbohydrate at the same time as fat should, in theory, cause the same issues. Though I suppose eating sugar in it's pure form doesn't require the body to break it down first. I don't even know why I'm thinking about it. I'm confusing the shit out of myself. I hate sugar.