Weight Loss Thread

fifey_sl said:

So don't be idiot and blow out your back trying to lift something you can't? This is groundbreaking stuff here.

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That's not the point. The point is if you have a failure during a row on a machine you'll just not be able to pull it. No harm no foul. If you have a failure doing a squat... well... and failures can happen even on low weight you've done hundreds of times before. Sometimes shit happens.

And that's one of the reasons Crossfit is so stupid. They make even the simplest of exercises dangerous with stupid movements that offer no benefit.

While it's certainly impressive seeing someone squat super heavy weights, I've always been equally impressed with people who can do amazing body weight stuff like pistol squats. It really just depends on your specific goals. It's always silly to risk injuring yourself doing an exercise just because someone tells you it's what you should be doing. Do what works for you and your goals and body.

Khane_sl said:

That's not the point. The point is if you have a failure during a row on a machine you'll just not be able to pull it. No harm no foul. If you have a failure doing a squat... well... and failures can happen even on low weight you've done hundreds of times before. Sometimes shit happens.

And that's one of the reasons Crossfit is so stupid. They make even the simplest of exercises dangerous with stupid movements that offer no benefit.

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I get that but you really shouldn't be doing a 1rm squat unassisted and on lesser weights, you will feel your body telling you it's not gonna make the next one.

Plus you shouldn't be doing shit to failure anyways with free weights, that's exactly what machines are for(as you said)

Fifey, I get what you're saying, but I think the coach's perspective is that people can and do hurt themselves just doing what they read in a beginner "how to get strong" routine. It doesn't have to be 1RM, it doesn't even have to be a set of 5... if your squat form is bad or if you have bad biomechanics for a squat, then you're rolling the dice. And, get this, beginners really don't know how to determine if their form is good or bad.

"dont lift what you can't lift" is a functionally useless statement; may as well just say "don't hurt yourself." It's obvious to anyone who has squatted heavy that the distinction between safe and risky tends to blur as you start pushing past 1xBW. Spinal curvature is difficult for newbs to detect and people are reluctant to film themselves squatting 185 and ask for critique.

I've also never done a 1RM squat -- but I'm sure I could hurt myself just fine on a heavy triple.

I get all that and some people with bad flexibility/prior injuries so squatting is a no go. I'd say that's the outlier though, most of it is "I can bench two plates, so squatting two plates is no biggie" kind of bros.

I'm also really good at listening to my body and being able to decipher muscle soreness vs something's wrong and laying off till it's healed. I managed to tweak my back doing a warm up of 135 a couple months back, took two weeks off to let it heal.

Squats are probably one of the biggest reasons for sports injuries for those who lift weights. I'd rather do low weight high reps when it comes to squats because then I can do ATG since I have flexible hip flexors. But, I also know it's one of the best exercises to do. Lol.

Khane_sl said:

That's not the point. The point is if you have a failure during a row on a machine you'll just not be able to pull it. No harm no foul. If you have a failure doing a squat... well... and failures can happen even on low weight you've done hundreds of times before. Sometimes shit happens.

And that's one of the reasons Crossfit is so stupid. They make even the simplest of exercises dangerous with stupid movements that offer no benefit.

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You've never bailed on a squat? I don't see where the risk of injury in a squat is if you can't get out of the hole, you just unload the weight.

Itlan, you're thinking how to prevent catastrophic failure which is a good point -- but a lot of people are likely doing damage to themselves over time by slightly improper form. It's easy to peruse r/fitness and the other assorted subreddits and find tons and tons of people talking about lower back soreness from squats. Some of that is DOMS, some of that is "has the flexibility of a wrench and just jacked his shit up because reddit told him he has to squat to be strong". I think I'm fortunate in that I had no preconceived notions of my own strength so I started with very light weights and moved slow... and I also had five years of USMC PT that likely built up my core/lower back and helped with flexibility.

I know for sure that ALL of my non-active civilian friends have HUGE mobility issues; they can't even perform a bodyweight squat properly. Can you see the problem when a guy like that goes out and buys Starting Strength and decides he needs to back squat from week one? I'm not talking about ham planets, either, I'm talking about the 6'1 175lbs computer nerd who decides 2015 is his year and wants to put some muscle on. Heoughtto spend a month, minimum, on flexibility and conditioning shit (pushups, planks, air squats) but that isn't the likely progression route.

Oh I agree with you, I've had mobility issues myself. In fact, I used to suffer from constant back pain and it took me a while to realize just how much of a fucking pain in the ass (literally) tight hip flexors and hamstrings can be. This was also causing a severe buttwink. As soon as I fixed these problems (probably took me about 2-3 weeks of proper stretching and mobility work daily) my squat (no longer buttwinking) and deadlift skyrocketed. It also made me realize my hips and glutes dominate my fucking quads during squatting (the reason I can pull 400+ easy but form falls apart 315+ squatting).

I browse /r/fitness a lot to check DL and squat forms.

So then high bar or front squat.

I'm sure there are wildly different ideas of what HIIT is... but 4x HIIT a week doesn't sound like a good way to let an injury heal.

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Towers No.2 seems alright. Make sure to check for adjustable dip bars. Don't ruin your shoulders with wide grip dips.

Dem chest dips doe.

Also, since we were discussing shitty form and proper mobility, I just wanted to reference this article and MAINLY the 11 minute video at the bottom.

Planks: The Magic Sauce To Fix Hip Tightness and Increase Mobility | thePTDC | Planks Exercises to Increase Hip Mobility

What he does in those 10 minutes to increase this woman's mobility is absolutely amazing. Mobility is key people, especially if you want to squat.

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Itlan_sl said:

Also, since we were discussing shitty form and proper mobility, I just wanted to reference this article and MAINLY the 11 minute video at the bottom.

Planks: The Magic Sauce To Fix Hip Tightness and Increase Mobility | thePTDC | Planks Exercises to Increase Hip Mobility

What he does in those 10 minutes to increase this woman's mobility is absolutely amazing. Mobility is key people, especially if you want to squat.

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Might need to try some of that. My left hip has absolutely no flexibility.

Considering my left vastus medialis has exploded while my right is paltry in comparison, I believe I have some issues with my right hip.

This was confirmed yesterday when I tried to do side planks and collapsed as my hip couldn't support the load. God dammit.