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BruuceWarduck_sl

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LOL, im not here to convert anyone, I simply dont care.
LOL, hippy science. Granted the research is fairly lacking, but it has been done in humans and in mammals and more studies are being done and there is undoubtedly positive results so far.

Fasting: Molecular Mechanisms and Clinical Applications

Fasting has been practiced for millennia, but only recently studies have shed light on its role in adaptive cellular responses that reduce oxidative damage and inflammation, optimize energy metabolism and bolster cellular protection. In lower eukaryotes, chronic fasting extends longevity in part by reprogramming metabolic and stress resistance pathways. In rodents intermittent or periodic fasting protects against diabetes, cancers, heart disease and neurodegeneration, while in humans it helps reduce obesity, hypertension, asthma and rheumatoid arthritis. Thus, fasting has the potential to delay aging and help prevent and treat diseases while minimizing the side effects caused by chronic dietary interventions.

Among the major effects of fasting relevant to aging and diseases are changes in the levels of IGF-1, IGFBP1, glucose, and insulin. Fasting for 3 or more days causes a 30% or more decrease in circulating insulin and glucose, as well as rapid decline in the levels of insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), the major growth factor in mammals, which together with insulin is associated with accelerated aging and cancer (Fontana et al., 2010). In humans, five days of fasting causes an over 60% decrease in IGF-1and a 5-fold or higher increase in one of the principal IGF-1-inhibiting proteins: IGFBP1 (Thissen et al., 1994a). This effect of fasting on IGF-1is mostly due to protein restriction, and particularly to the restriction of essential amino acids, but is also supported by calorie restriction since the decrease in insulin levels during fasting promotes reduction in IGF-1(Thissen et al., 1994a). Notably, in humans, chronic calorie restriction does not lead to a decrease in IGF-1unless combined with protein restriction (Fontana et al., 2008).

Fasting has the potential for applications in both cancer prevention and treatment. Although no human data are available on the effect of IF or PF in cancer prevention, their effect on reducing IGF-1, insulin and glucose levels, and increasing IGFBP1 and ketone body levels could generate a protective environment that reduces DNA damage and carcinogenesis, while at the same time creating hostile conditions for tumor and pre-cancerous cells (Figure 5). In fact, elevated circulating IGF-1 is associated with increased risk of developing certain cancers (Chan et al., 2000; Giovannucci et al., 2000) and individuals with severe IGF-1deficiency caused by growth hormone receptor deficiency, rarely develop cancer (Guevara-Aguirre et al., 2011; Shevah and Laron, 2007; Steuerman et al., 2011). Furthermore, the serum from these IGF-1deficient subjects protected human epithelial cells from oxidative stress-induced DNA damage. Furthermore, once their DNA became damaged, cells were more likely to undergo programmed cell death (Guevara-Aguirre et al., 2011). Thus, fasting may protect from cancer by reducing cellular and DNA damage but also by enhancing the death of pre-cancerous cells.

Effect of intermittent fasting and refeeding on insulin action in healthy men | Journal of Applied Physiology

by subjecting healthy men to cycles of feast and famine we did change the metabolic status to the better, implying that the mismatch between our ancient genotype and the lifestyle of the westernized individual of today became smaller. To our knowledge this is the first study in humans in which an increased insulin action on whole body glucose uptake and adipose tissue lipolysis has been obtained by means of intermittent fasting. This result is in accordance with previously reported in rodents (2, 32). In these studies, fasting every second day increased the insulin sensitivity approximately sevenfold according to the homeostatic model assessment (2) and decreased the incidence of diabetes (32).

The effects of intermittent or continuous energy restriction on weight loss and metabolic disease risk markers: a randomized trial in young overwei... - PubMed - NCBI

IER is as effective as CER with regard to weight loss, insulin sensitivity and other health biomarkers, and may be offered as an alternative equivalent to CER for weight loss and reducing disease risk.

Glucose tolerance and skeletal muscle gene expression in response to alternate day fasting. - PubMed - NCBI

Alternate day fasting may adversely affect glucose tolerance in nonobese women but not in nonobese men. The gene expression results indicate that fatty acid oxidation and mitochondrial biogenesis are unaffected by alternate day fasting. However, the increased expression in SIRT1 suggests that alternate day fasting may improve stress resistance, a commonly observed feature of calorie-restricted rodents.

Alternate-day fasting in nonobese subjects: effects on body weight, body composition, and energy metabolism

In conclusion, alternate-day fasting is feasible in nonobese subjects for short time periods, although unlike rodents, the subjects were unable to maintain their body weight. Furthermore, fat oxidation was increased and translated into fat mass loss.

Intermittent versus daily calorie restriction: which diet regimen is more effective for weight loss? - PubMed - NCBI

Accordingly, this review examines the effects of daily CR versus intermittent CR on weight loss, fat mass loss and lean mass retention in overweight and obese adults. Results reveal similar weight loss and fat mass loss with 3 to 12 weeks' intermittent CR (4-8%, 11-16%, respectively) and daily CR (5-8%, 10-20%, respectively). In contrast, less fat free mass was lost in response to intermittent CR versus daily CR. These findings suggest that these diets are equally as effective in decreasing body weight and fat mass, although intermittent CR may be more effective for the retention of lean mass.

Meal frequency and timing in health and disease

When organisms ingest regular meals, their cells receive a relatively steady supply of nutrients and so remain in a "growth mode" in which protein synthesis is robust and autophagy is suppressed (68). The nutrient-responsive mTOR pathway negatively regulates autophagy. Accordingly, fasting inhibits the mTOR pathway and stimulates autophagy in cells of many tissues, including liver, kidney, and skeletal muscle (69-71). In this way, fasting "cleanses" cells of damaged molecules and organelles.
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DickTrickle

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Yeah, judging from the gut and using "common sense" is much easier than honestly investigating whether there is merit -- simply because someone unfortunately used the term toxin. Stupid hippy scientists and their peer reviewed hippy journals.
 

Rezz

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Toxin is to hippy bullshit like problematic is to social justice warriors. Both deserve the same derision.

Read the articles mkopec linked. The information either doesn't back up the stance that multi-day fasting has positive effects that outweigh the negatives or is inconclusive. The most common conclusion is that 1 day fasting is right on par with normal caloric restriction. The articles that do mention multi-day fasting mention the negative impacts on the body, and the fact it shouldn't be attempted without a physician guiding you and preferably occurring in a clinic.

And the best part, the first article compares multi-day fasting's effects on the body to those of chemo-therapy. Large scale cellular death.

The only support you will find for multi-day fasting are stupid hippies or religious nutjobs. The medical world is fine with 1 day fasting occasionally, and -not- multi-day fasting. And oddly enough, the listed articles back that statement up.

Which was the poster who thought a medical journal was emphatically stating that breathing was how one loses weight? This is very similar.
 

Rezz

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His research was the first link that mkopec posted, yeah. Higher than average calorie reduction for 5 days, then back to eating whatever you want. Seems like the second half of that is counterproductive as a weight loss statement, but as it is basically just a crash diet for a week (with very specific composition requirements) each month, I suppose it's an improvement? I still side with the health experts refereced in the article that think a long term lifestyle change is going to be more effective.

The head of the gerontology institute, that scientist, is also the founder of a supplement company that specializes in chemo-therapy and fasting supplements. Makes me instantly question his results, to be honest. Guess we'll see when his 70 person random clinical trial gets fully investigated after it is done, as it still looks like calorie reduction/interimittent fasting is going to prove overall a superior choice to contiguous multi-day fasting.
 

Eidal

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Didn't read any of the linked studies, but this field of research is so convoluted: anyone can make studies show all sorts of positive effects by stating that the standard american diet is the baseline and testing something other than that.
 

Antarius

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I've had positive results so far on IF, it's much easier for me to maintain than any other dieting / caloric restriction I ever attempted in the past... I'm not strict about it at all, and yet I'm still at a lower weight and more importatly lower bodyfat % than I was at the start of the year, despite many many "cheat days" since January 1st.
 

Eidal

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I like IF too for when I want to combine binge eating with calorie restriction -- but honestly, many variants of IF I've seen can be summed up by "skip breakfast".
 

Rezz

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Didn't read any of the linked studies, but this field of research is so convoluted: anyone can make studies show all sorts of positive effects by stating that the standard american diet is the baseline and testing something other than that.
It's also extremely narrow on credible researchers. There's a lot of studies with evidence out there (most the links mkopec listed, actually) that reducing your intake of food when you are obese helps, and that skipping the occasional (1per week usually at most) day of eating has some benefits in weight loss and overall health (largely tied to weightloss) in obese people. But a lot of the age defying stuff/cancer benefit stuff is limited to a very small handful of studies and research groups, and has an extremely small base of non-rodent/chemo patients as their target demographic. They are then comparing these with normal humans and saying that their "might" be benefits, but that also there are risks tied into it that are going to be heavily individually based. The guy from mkopec's initial study (the head guy at USC's gerontology/aging group) is by far the most prolific, and even his studies are still using very small sample sizes and until this most recent one that is still undergoing analysis were very cherry-picked on participants.
 

Warmuth

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I like IF too for when I want to combine binge eating with calorie restriction -- but honestly, many variants of IF I've seen can be summed up by "skip breakfast".
The term is pretty much an excuse to write and sell books. I like doing it but I've hardly ever eaten breakfast for my entire life. Hard to come up with "new and more effective" variants without the fancy term.
 

Eidal

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The term is pretty much an excuse to write and sell books. I like doing it but I've hardly ever eaten breakfast for my entire life. Hard to come up with "new and more effective" variants without the fancy term.
I think breakfast was an important part of my day when I was active duty USMC -- but I suspect that's true for anyone with a higher caloric requirement. As a sedentary (while not at the gym) civilian, breakfast is wholly unnecessary even when I want to gain weight.

I think the "most important meal of the day" mantra, people's love for breakfast food, and just habit create this expectation that we have to eat every four hours awake and I've seen studies that substantiate it: hormonal levels fluctuate hour by hour and can be influenced by feeding times. Needless to say, given the rapidly rising BF% and people's deep-seated reluctance to reduce portion size... well, maybe some good work could be done teaching sedentary people that they don't need three meals + snacks day in day out.

Note: this doesn't at all lend any credence to the idea that a 2 day fast makes any sense to someone looking to improve overall health and fitnessunlessthey're morbidly obese to the point that losing BF% is worth all the other detriments. Similarly, I'd like to be a lean 6'1 190 but weight loss surgery wouldn't make sense for me at 6'1 200. As you said, however, no one's going to buy any books talking about eating less and training harder -- that shit's hard yo!
 

Khane

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I too, rarely eat breakfast. I'd rather sleep an extra 20 minutes... or however the fuck long it takes to eat breakfast.
 

mkopec

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I never really ate breakfast as well. My whole problem was portion control at lunch and dinner. Fuck did I used to eat a lot. Its been since like April, im probably eating a 1/8th of what I was eating, and im rarely hungry, lost 50lbs, high blood pressure gone. Haven't had my blood lipids, glucose tested but surprisingly they were pretty good to begin with. My insurance has all of us tested every year.