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Rezz

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That's sort of misleading. Unless it was a bowl of teriyaki sauce that he the dipped his chicken in and then drank, he's certainly not anywhere close to that amount of sugar being ingested. It's sugar, but it's a thin layer that maybe comes to half-full teaspoon per breast at absolute most. Most likely much less. Yeah it's more sugar than he probably wants/needs, but it is nowhere close to eating something like a donut (which is nowhere near 1/2 cup of sugar either) when it comes to sugars/carbs. Maybe an extra 10g of carbs between the two breasts?
 

Ossoi

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The issue is that these dieting tips are all over the place. Though I am sure it's from me eating zero junk food and very little sugars. I mean most of my sugars are coming from strawberries and blackberries. I am also ridiculously aware now of not eating that isn't meat, a particular type of fruit, or veggies.


Thx for the info guys.
Soooo. New diet. Lemme tell you my strength has been sapped. SAPPED. Like a mutha fucker.
No, the issue is that you have people like mkopec who admitted he doesn't exercise giving conflicting advice to people like me that read more about nutrition and exercise more than him.

He really has no business trying to give advice, at least not until he sets foot in gym or picks up a dumbbell, but that's the problem with the keto kultists, they refuse to consider the individual and just prescribe keto to anyone and everyone.

Yes keto works but is it optimal for you - no

Is there any reason to be on keto long term - no
 

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I think the question is "is there any reason NOT to be on keto long term", which I don't know. Randomly heard Tim Ferris on Freakonomics saying something about long term damage to joints etc.
 

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I think the question is "is there any reason NOT to be on keto long term", which I don't know. Randomly heard Tim Ferris on Freakonomics saying something about long term damage to joints etc.
Ya long term, from the top of my head, you get joint, kidney and liver issues and when you're out with friends / family you look like that vegan weirdo except opposite. Plus entering into ketosis supposedly makes you stink for quite a while due to the ketones/acetone. Seems like staying balanced with complex carbs and eating at a caloric deficit is the way to go IMO, but people need a thing so if it works and doesn't kill ya that's cool too.
 

Ossoi

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I think the question is "is there any reason NOT to be on keto long term", which I don't know. Randomly heard Tim Ferris on Freakonomics saying something about long term damage to joints etc.
Yes. Posting this again until it sinks in:

"Insulin sensitive dieters lost more weight on a high carb diet than a low carb diet (10.4 vs 8.6 kg). Insulin resistant dieters lost more weight on low carb (9.6 vs 7.4 kg). Notably, of all four groups, the most weight was lost on a high carb diet (10.4 kg) despite low carbers consistently getting more protein"
= the more weight you lose the less necessary keto becomeshttp://caloriesproper.com/chris-gardner-strikes-again/

How do you know if you are insulin sensitive?

Well as you lose weight your insulin sensitivity improves. Which means yes, keto is good to start off with, but as you get leaner then there's no reason to continue with keto.

The problem is, people that lose weight on keto develop an irrational fear of carbs and decide it's easier to keep restricting them.

As it says in the comments of that article:

"You're missing Bill's point; as someone said above "I ate carbs and I lived". It's not an argument about whether LC or LF is better. No-one here is arguing that except maybe you. It's about people scared to eat 500 cals carrots/potato whilst drinking 1000's of calories butter/cream/pork skin. This is the madness I refer to."
Here's another interesting comment from the /r/ketogains discussion about that study:

"I do the same with my clients. As I tell them: I believe carbs are for LEAN people (i.e. those with proper insulin sensitivity) and even then should be used cyclically or around pre/post-workout periods based on their goals. I believe what you say to be true: It's about preference for long-term diet adherence. Keto is no magic bullet, as you often say, and calories still rule as the king of fat loss/maintenance/bulking. Keto simply makes managing insulin much more simple--thus making leanness much more attainable. "
 

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He has a really round chest. I'm not sure how to get that. I don't really know how to describe my chest but I have a very noticeable valley. It may be because the entirety of my chest workout is flat bench so I'm not building those interior muscles well.
Be born with it is pretty much the answer, or just get swole as fuck and everything will grow. My chest would look like this if all I did was pull ups.
 

Dandai

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He has a really round chest. I'm not sure how to get that. I don't really know how to describe my chest but I have a very noticeable valley. It may be because the entirety of my chest workout is flat bench so I'm not building those interior muscles well.
I'm sure you know this already, but decline press will give you the round look on bottom and flyes (bonus points for incline flyes while twisting your hands to make your pinkys touch) will give you the roundness in between your pecs. I'm a fat ass now and only just transitioned to doing more than pushups for a chest workout or I'd take a picture for you, but I had a chest that looked similar to his when I was in high school. I was the consummate BRO in high school, at least in the gym, so I hit those chest exercises hard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Warmuth is right and theeaseof attaining that full, rounded pec look is in your genes, but I'm proof that you don'tneedsteroids for it as I wasn't even taking supplements when I was lifting in school.
 

Itlan

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Anytime I try to do flyes my shoulders feel like they're gonna tear off. Probably a mobility issue idk
 

mkopec

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No, the issue is that you have people like mkopec who admitted he doesn't exercise giving conflicting advice to people like me that read more about nutrition and exercise more than him.

He really has no business trying to give advice, at least not until he sets foot in gym or picks up a dumbbell, but that's the problem with the keto kultists, they refuse to consider the individual and just prescribe keto to anyone and everyone.

Yes keto works but is it optimal for you - no

Is there any reason to be on keto long term - no
What expertise do you have to give advice bro?

Im fucking 43 yrs old and Ive researched shit like this the last 20 yrs or so. I used to be a cyclist, long distance runner, played basketball like a mo fo, Ive lifted weights, fuck I used to play football in the 80s. I probably was in the gym lifting those dumbells while you were sucking your mommas teet. Ive read all kinds of shit, keto, adkins, carb cycling (your holy grail) vegetarian shit, primal, all thatEXTENSIVELYand more. Its what I do every day at my boring ass work. And Ive experienced it in the past 20 yrs while I settled down with family and lived the good life and got fat. Ive done all those fucking diets, all those workouts. And the one thing that ever worked for me was low carb. So yeah, im gonna be an advocate of it. I was in the gym last spring lifting mad weights, except I don't have time for that shit too much to do with family. Im big and strong enough, I have nothing to prove.

So while I might be a lazy fuck now, admittedly, Ive done my share of weights, running, cycling. And im speaking from experience. Now this might not be for everyone, and you know what? I don't give a shit. Do what you want. Im here sharing my experience, the shit that I learned and worked for me over the years. I really don't give two fucks what you do. I really don't. I lost 85 lbs in 6 mos while on the couch, while you were straining your nuts at the gym. You probably were never fat in your life, how can you come here and tell fat dudes how to loose weight?

Im not on keto right now, just low carb and its working to keep me where I want to be. Keto was just a thing I used to get me over a hump at about 220 to get down to 195. I eat everything, except breads, pasta, rice, potato and all the processed carby shit. Fruits, veggies, dairy, fish and meat, lots of meat. Fresh, bro. Its where you wanna be.

But go ahead with your carb cycling cult. And tell me how you can be in ketosis while carb cycling, lol. Remember what you said? Best of both worlds?

From your own web site you linked for proof!...http://caloriesproper.com/ketosis-in...onary-context/
Most of the time, I advocate a plant-based low-carb Paleo-like diet for health; keto if obese insulin resistant. High[ish] protein for all (ymmv). Seasonal when possible.....

Optimal, harmful, or somewhere in between? You decide (but if you choose harmful, please provide a link! or at least explain why, very clearly.)

Hint: nutritional ketosis isn't harmful. FOR. FIVE. YEARS. 1) that's not cyclical or intermittent ketosis; and 2) five years is probably much longer than the diet you're following has been tested for "safety."

Would ketosis have hindered our ability to hunt prey and avoid predation? My thoughts on our ability to perform high intensity physical activity after ketoadaptation have been thoroughly expressed in the past. And ketosis clearly doesn't hinder cognitive functioning.

So, from both a mental and physical perspective, ketosis, chronic or otherwise, did not stop us from becoming who we are. Indeed, it probably contributed to how we did so. Well, that and seafood.

John Kiefer, an advocate of resistance exercise in the fasted state, mentioned: "the sympathetic nervous system responds quicker to fasted-exercise. You release adrenaline faster. Your body is more sensitive particularly to the fat burning properties of adrenaline and you get bigger rushes of adrenaline."

Much of this is spot on. That is, ketogenic dieting and glycogen depletion increase exercise-induced sympathetic activation and fat oxidation (eg, Jansson 1982, Langfort 1996, & Weltan 1998).

The question is: can this improve nutrient partitioning and physical performance? Magic 8-Ball says: "Signs point to yes." I concur.

Contrary to popular beliefs, glycogen depletion per se doesn't harm many aspects of physical performance. A lot of fuel systems are at play; you don't need a full tank of glycogen.
 

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That's sort of misleading. Unless it was a bowl of teriyaki sauce that he the dipped his chicken in and then drank, he's certainly not anywhere close to that amount of sugar being ingested. It's sugar, but it's a thin layer that maybe comes to half-full teaspoon per breast at absolute most. Most likely much less. Yeah it's more sugar than he probably wants/needs, but it is nowhere close to eating something like a donut (which is nowhere near 1/2 cup of sugar either) when it comes to sugars/carbs. Maybe an extra 10g of carbs between the two breasts?
Sugar is used to create a glazed in teriyaki, thick sauce. Notice, it's never runny, hows that possible? From thickening sugar, and lots of it. Google for a recipe, youll see.
 

mkopec

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Sugar is used to create a glazed in teriyaki, thick sauce. Notice, it's never runny, hows that possible? From thickening sugar, and lots of it. Google for a recipe, youll see.
One teaspoon of pure granulated sugar is only 4 grams of carbs. So even if his 2 pieces of chicken had both a teaspoon each, fuck, even 4, hes still good to go.

Just keep that shit below 50g, for some people its more like 100g. You can only tell with keto strips where your max cutoff is to stay in keto.
 

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Anytime I try to do flyes my shoulders feel like they're gonna tear off. Probably a mobility issue idk
I'm not trying to be funny, but have you tried starting with a low weight and building up to it? I know doing flyes with 10 lb dumbbells isn't very sexy, but you'll probably get beginner level gains (read: fast) for that specific movement since you haven't been doing it.
 

Rezz

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Sugar is used to create a glazed in teriyaki, thick sauce. Notice, it's never runny, hows that possible? From thickening sugar, and lots of it. Google for a recipe, youll see.
Professional sous chef/cook for a decade. Pretty familiar with teriyaki sauce =) Even if it's 100% sugar, it's still nowhere near a half cup on two chicken breasts. It's high in sugar sure, but you're still not using a ton of glaze/sauce on a couple of breasts.
 

Ossoi

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You probably were never fat in your life, how can you come here and tell fat dudes how to loose weight?
I was 23% body fat when I started lifting weights 3 years ago. It's not obese but it is still a sizeable amount to lose.

My issue with your comments is:

a) you implied that going from 12% to 10% is different from going from 30% body fat. It isn't, the principles are the same. Me being leaner and lighter does not discredit my advice to Brahma - by your logic fat people should only listen to fat person trainers.

b) you admitted you don't lift weights/exercise. And as I keep pointing out, Brahma lifts heavier than me and you combined. This IMMEDIATELY discredits your advice.

You do realise that losing weight on keto and not exercising/lifting might decrease the number on the scale but that weight loss will be both fat and muscle, and clearly no muscle is going to be gained.

More muscle = increased metabolism = better health.

Fruits, veggies, dairy, fish and meat, lots of meat. Fresh, bro. Its where you wanna be.
I only chimed in with my anti-keto opinion when Brahma questioned whether he should avoid fruit and veg in order to stay in ketosis. This prompted me to say "who gives a shit about being in ketosis which resulted in your "hey you're too skinny to give him advice" nonsense.

Brahma has already said in the weight lifting thread that his performance at the gym has dropped massively.Exactly as I said it would do.Hence why replenishing glycogen is so important.

But go ahead with your carb cycling cult.
Oh, that's cute, you've seen me calling keto-folk kultists and now you're copying me.

From your own web site you linked for proof!...http://caloriesproper.com/ketosis-in...onary-context/
Try not linking to posts from 2 years whilst ignoring the posts from the last two months that I cited.

Contrary to popular beliefs, glycogen depletion per se doesn't harm many aspects of physical performance
Try telling Brahma that:

Soooo. New diet. Lemme tell you my strength has been sapped. SAPPED. Like a mutha fucker. Yesterday was shoulder day. On the seated should press machine I can usually throw up 400lbs plus. Yesterday, I got stalled on 375 on the 3rd rep. Shrugs are usually 495lbs x10 on that last rep. Could not even get ONE rep.

I need to figure out what is more important to me. Being a big dog, or looking cute in that new shirt.
This is the problem with this thread constantly being derailed by keto debates.

Yes there are benefits, yes there are negatives.

Keto should not be the default prescription for everyone.

Keto does not need it's krazies konstantly defending it against kriticism
 

Itlan

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I'm not trying to be funny, but have you tried starting with a low weight and building up to it? I know doing flyes with 10 lb dumbbells isn't very sexy, but you'll probably get beginner level gains (read: fast) for that specific movement since you haven't been doing it.
Nah even lightweight. I try to use cables to mimic it but I feel like it's not the same. idk. bitch chest for life.
 

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Because hes not keto adapted fucktard. And his body is probably suffering from sugar withdrawals, which is like cocaine addiction. Hence the headaches and feeling like shit. And this is usually when people quit, not knowing it takes like a month of strict keto to become adapted, and then when you are, your performance goes back to, shit, even better than before, body and mind. And then when keto adapted you can start introducing back some carbs for workouts or whatever, and best of all you can snap back into keto quicker when carb and glycogen depleted because your body now is keto adapted and can either burn fat or sugars for energy. Its is only then when you can have the best of both worlds. He needs to keep at it to reap the rewards.

I thought you knew about this shit, expert fitness researcher?
 

Ossoi

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Because hes not keto adapted fucktard. And his body is probably suffering from sugar withdrawals, which is like cocaine addiction. Hence the headaches and feeling like shit. And this is usually when people quit, not knowing it takes like a month of strict keto to become adapted

I thought you knew about this shit, expert fitness researcher?
What the keto krew haven't mentioned is that training is going to suck until you're "fat adapted" which takes 4-6 weeks minimum.
You either can't read or have a terrible memory.

Either way you should stop giving advice.

Are you really trying to argue that he should stay full keto?

I would put you on ignore but I would much rather leave you off to make sure I can keep correcting your bullshit
 

Ossoi

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And then when keto adapted you can start introducing back some carbs for workouts or whatever, and best of all you can snap back into keto quicker when carb and glycogen depleted because your body now is keto adapted and can either burn fat or sugars for energy. Its is only then when you can have the best of both worlds. He needs to keep at it to reap the rewards.
So you are actually agreeing with me that carb cycling (another name for TKD = timed/targeted keto diet) is the best solution?

The only difference is that you seem to think someone should endure 4 weeks of shitty workouts until they attain keto nirvana known as fat adaptation. This is absolute nonsense and not being keto adapted is not going to prevent anyone from losing fat or building muscle - if anything the shitty workouts are going to hinder weight loss eg if the person can't do as many reps or work as hard
 

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This morning had a scoop of "eggs" from the cafe and about 5 slices of bacon. Will have the same for lunch, and probably a 10oz steak for dinner, with no veggies or fruit for the day. Will probably grab some cashews (small single pack) for my snacks. Could anyone put a calorie count on this?