Weight Loss Thread

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Cad

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Now that I'm at home I can stare at shirtless men until my heart's content. I don't know if 1 would be on roids. It isn't completely dissimilar to how I look. Maybe a touch bulkier. He could be on the Tenks patented tuna-in-a-can-because-you're-poor diet.

Not even 100% convinced #2 is roids. It could just be the bronzer/lighting is making him look overly defined.
Maybe it's just the super zoomed pic but #1 looks really bulky with quite a lot of muscle mass, and the smoothness/youthfulness of his skin makes me think he's pretty young. Maybe I'm over-thinking it but I tend to think anybody who can get swollen looking muscles while also being relatively lean (e.g. not like Brahma or Lyrical who are relatively fat also, just really big guys) is on a hormone therapy of some kind. That could just be my jealousy or whatever since I am definitely a skinny lanky guy.
 

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Also since I said I'd do this in the thread trying to document my weight gain (which is currently failing) this is me just moments ago. I'm still right around 150 which I guess is better than the last picture I posted which was at around 145 (and over 6 years old.) I really could do with going outside and getting some sun on areas other than my forearm. No real flexing other than moving my torso a bit so my entire hand isn't covering it and I haven't had a reason to do much stomach so it isn't super defined right now. I still hope by the end of summer to get up to 155.

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People who are fat trying to lose weight you fucktard. Not everyone is 6,2 ft and weighs 165 trying to get that last 2% body fat. You are not the typical person to do keto. So quit coming off as some dietician guru because you simply dont know shit.

Keto is the best way to lose substantial weight in least amount of time while doing nothing for exercise. Its also a more sustainable diet in the short term rather than calorie counting because you eat calorie rich foods that satiate better and you dont have to count shit. And im fucking proof of this. 270 down to 195 in less than 6 mos.
Thanks for the stupid angry post, my opinion is not based on my own anecdotal experience but on

A) the thousands of transformations achieved on a carb cycling planTransformations / The Body Coach

B) the fact that the whole insulin = obesity hypothesis which is the very basis for keto is no longer as certain as people thought



Try reading the links I posted:

"please consider the modern views of Taubes, Lustig, Gardner, Attia, and others on CarbsT. They're less "Carbs-cause-obesity, keto-for-all, etc.," and more thinking it might not be CarbsT per se, but rather processed and refined foods. "


"Insulin sensitive dieters lost more weight on a high carb diet than a low carb diet (10.4 vs 8.6 kg). Insulin resistant dieters lost more weight on low carb (9.6 vs 7.4 kg). Notably, of all four groups, the most weight was lost on a high carb diet (10.4 kg) despite low carbers consistently getting more protein" = the more weight you lose the less necessary keto becomes


Please remember I only commented to correct someone who said they avoid vegetables.

If you're advocating avoiding vegetables because you'd rather be in keto then you should never post in a weight advice thread again.

Keto is great for the obese and those just starting out, or those that are physically inactive, but most people here are saying they exercise, so maybe you should get off the sofa before you try and argue with someone over the best advice for gym goers?

Someone like brahma who lifts heavier than you and me combined probably, can ABSOLUTELY have some sweet potato or rice post workout.

And no, a diet that bans an entire food group is not sustainable. Rofl, especially one which makes it virtually impossible to enjoy any kind of social activity.


Yeah you lost weight, good for you and your anecdotal fallacy experience. You'd have lost more and looked better at the end with 20 mins hiit and some weights 4x a week

How can you not see that carb cycling is the best of both worlds. Keto days with carbs post workout, no need to restrict anything and no need to feel guilty for eating a fucking bagel.

So yeah, I think I've just categorically destroyed your "I don't exercise and keto worked for me it's the best diet" nonsense
 

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Do you ketobros ever do cheat days or are you pretty strict? Not sure what the prevailing logic is on that.
Well the entire point is to stay in ketosis. So a cheat day would kick you out. And sometimes it could take days for you to get back to ketosis. But when your body is used to keto, say a few months, you will be able to have cheat days and get back into keto quicker, sometimes less than a day. It all depends on how keto adapted you are and how your body reacts to keto. Also probably how active you are since when you get kicked from keto you have to burn up all the glycogen stored in your muscles to get back into keto.
 

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tenks that dude is way bigger than you. Like way bigger. No offense.
Yeah after I took the photo I realized he was far bigger. Though I'm sure he's also a professional fitness model so not exactly like I'm setting unrealistic goals of trying to achieve that.
 

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Yeah after I took the photo I realized he was far bigger. Though I'm sure he's also a professional fitness model so not exactly like I'm setting unrealistic goals of trying to achieve that.
You need to gain 25-30lbs of muscle to look like him.
 

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Yeah that dude is full as fuck and still has abs showing. It's possible steroid use, but I'm not jumping to conclusions.
 

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He has a really round chest. I'm not sure how to get that. I don't really know how to describe my chest but I have a very noticeable valley. It may be because the entirety of my chest workout is flat bench so I'm not building those interior muscles well.
 

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He has a really round chest. I'm not sure how to get that. I don't really know how to describe my chest but I have a very noticeable valley. It may be because the entirety of my chest workout is flat bench so I'm not building those interior muscles well.
He's really round and swollen everywhere. And I don't mean his penis.
 

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Lol same dude. Look at someone like Bradley Martyn. Obviously on roids, but his chest is just fucking massive. It's a long chest so the muscle bellys must fill differently than our poverty bench selves.

I'll never have a big chest, but I'd like to at least get that rounded look but... meh.
 

Brahma

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I had 2 pieces of teriyaki chicken and 3 boned spare ribs last night. I was told that for my diet, that was a big no no. Are we talking immediate ketosis failure here and I need to start from scratch another 2 weeks because of that?
 

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I had 2 pieces of teriyaki chicken and 3 boned spare ribs last night. I was told that for my diet, that was a big no no. Are we talking immediate ketosis failure here and I need to start from scratch another 2 weeks because of that?
No, dieting is like an average, as long as on average you eat less than you expend over (time period), you will lose weight over (time period). If you eat more than you expend, you'll gain weight. How much you expend varies greatly depending on your activity level, genetics, and other factors, but acting like you "blew it" by eating one meal, almost no matter what that is, is ludicrous. Your body is a pretty adaptable machine.

As far as ketosis goes it seems like as soon as you burn off whatever carbs you ate your body will go back to burning fat thus producing ketones, wouldn't it? Seems to me anybody losing fat is going to produce ketones, but whatever.
 

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I had 2 pieces of teriyaki chicken and 3 boned spare ribs last night. I was told that for my diet, that was a big no no. Are we talking immediate ketosis failure here and I need to start from scratch another 2 weeks because of that?
Dude, please stop worrying about being in ketosis,, it's meaningless.

The harder you train/exercise the more carbs you have earned,, that's why keto works for people that don't exercise.

As I said above, people like you that lift heavy can absolutely handle carbs.

What the keto krew haven't mentioned is that training is going to suck until you're "fat adapted" which takes 4-6 weeks minimum.

Carb cycle and you'll benefit from keto days whilst also replenishing your glycogen levels which fuel your workouts.

I offered to help you once before, if you want to lose fat optimally then just let me know
 

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Not an Atkins expert, but it doesn't take two weeks to get into ketosis as a standard. If you are really trying to dedicate your dieting needs around ketosis, then simply cut your sugar intake to nil (at least sub 50g per day) and you'll be back in ketosis mode in a couple of days at your current stage.

And yeah, ketosis is a specific state where you are burning fat and your body is actually using that as an energy source intentionally, as opposed to simply exhaling/pissing out your ketones which is what happens during a normal diet where carbs are still present.

Honestly, Brahma's concerns are at the heart of why I don't trust fad diets or any form of "miracle" cure for having shitty eating habits and being overweight. Having a cheat day/meal that isn't directly in the handbook leads to all sorts of feelings like "Oh my god did I just fuck up everything and have to start from square one?!" and similar. Weightloss is an average over time (like Cad stated) and one day of cheating doesn't mean the next morning you weigh 8lbs more. Just as it is relatively difficult to lose weight in that you need to reduce your calories over time by 3500 for each lb you wish to lose, the same needs to be said for gaining weight. You need 3500 calories above what you use to put on an lb. Can you do it? Certainly! And tons of people do all the time because they aren't trying to diet. But if you have a shitty cheat day and then go back to a 500+ caloric deficit for a week? You are at -least- caught up and probably ahead. Unless your cheat day is like... three times your normal calorie intake.

Cheat days should be like "I had a couple of beers and some pizza. 1500 calories oh noez!" not "I ate three bakers dozen of Krispy Kreme. Still losing weight!" Since Brahma probably went... 700-1000? maybe calories over his total, and regardless of whether they were carbs or not, that's not a huge negative on overall weightloss. And getting back into keto-mode (if that's your goal, for whatever reason) is not going to take two weeks in the slightest. Cut your carbs and lift for a day. You'll feel like shit probably, but it will expend the majority of your glycogen stores and you'll be back in keto within 2-3 days.
 

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Cool.

My sugar intake is at 25g tops. Most of that is from my protein shakes. My carb intake is about the same also. I swear to you that today I have the biggest fuckin headache for some reason after eating what I thought was just chicken and beef. I guess that may be the feeling shitty part.

Not sure what you mean by fat adapted. Could you explain? I have zero problems with taking any advice about losing weight, or you helping me with meal plans.

The issue is that these dieting tips are all over the place. So far this Atkins has definately shown results. Plus it's right up my alley on what I need to maintain 90% of my eating habits. Though I am sure it's from me eating zero junk food and very little sugars. I mean most of my sugars are coming from strawberries and blackberries. I am also ridiculously aware now of not eating that isn't meat, a particular type of fruit, or veggies.

My portion sizes for some reason have gotten smaller not by me forcing it. I'm just not nearly as hungry. Is this due to the types of foods I am eating? Just curious.

Thx for the info guys.
 

mkopec

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Its called the keto flu. Your body is not used to using fat as its primary energy source, and its also simple sugar withdrawals. so it needs to adapt. Its basically saying to you "WTF are you doing to me? Where is my cereal and chips?" This usually takes a few weeks to a month to happen. But it does go away. Couple of tips, keep your sodium uptake higher and drink lots of water. What was suggested to me is a few cups of broth every day. Just buy some bullion cubes and make a tea out of them.

You also might get some cramping as well, because youre not getting enough magnesium and potassium, so I recommend getting some supplements or taking a one a day type vitamin to help, this also usually goes away. This is what happened to me big time. I used to wake up in the middle of the night with hellish cramps in my legs. But after the supplements and sodium this went away.

The keto flu: symptoms and relief - Low carb food list

[Science] Avoiding , explained : keto
 

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I had 2 pieces of teriyaki chicken and 3 boned spare ribs last night. I was told that for my diet, that was a big no no. Are we talking immediate ketosis failure here and I need to start from scratch another 2 weeks because of that?
That's a lot of sugar dude, that yummy glaze, yea that's sugar and molasses.

A basic Teriyaki recipe would call for 1/2cup of sugar and some cornstarch, as just the base alone.