Weight Loss Thread

Ubiquitrips_sl said:

Forgot to update with yesterdays calories as well. I underestimated how much I was eating by around 20%, my fault.

Breakfast: BPC - Approx 400 calories
Lunch: lettuce wrap sandwich ham/swiss with carrots / blue cheese dressing Approx 600
Snack: half serving 2% cottage cheese - Approx 60 calories
Dinner: 2x Salmon Filet and 1.5 servings of broccoli w/ butter Approx 800 Calories

Total Calories: 1860

If low calories is a concern I can work on ways to increase them, it isn't hard to get a few extra hundred with fats.

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That is a lot more reasonable, lowish but not low enough to cause much concern. Track it for a few days to get a better "average" intake.

chaos_sl said:

Why?

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Largely because I am over one month in and it is working. There is no motivation like progress.

There is also a comfort level with these programs. I had done Atkins around 15 years ago to get some weight down after high school. I am able to eat what I want (more or less) without counting calories or really putting much thought into it at all. I am also able to get some results before attempting exercise (first DDP Yoga session was yesterday!).

Please believe, I understand other methods would work, but why mess with a good thing?

The smell was shitty, but not overpowering. I think I got dirty looks because I was eating it straight out of the can, most people want mayonnaise (GROSS) slathered all over it or something. It tastes good plain!

Eggs are good, but I don't do eggs. Taste and smell make me want to puke, plus I don't really know the whole biological reasons for them being the way they are and not containing a dead fetus inside - but that thought always put me off.

Friend of mine posted a good link, check it out:http://simplesciencefitness.com/

Noodleface_sl said:

Eggs are good, but I don't do eggs. Taste and smell make me want to puke, plus I don't really know the whole biological reasons for them being the way they are and not containing a dead fetus inside - but that thought always put me off.

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The eggs you buy at the store and people (usually) eat are unfertilized. Basically it is us eating the results of hens "ovulating." In some places people do eat fertilized eggs... I advise against Googling it if you ever want to come around to liking them (yuck).

Deathwing_sl said:

Dead fetus? You're thinking of balut.

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Oh I know, I watch a lot of chef shows.. plus Andrew Zimmern or whatever. I've seen some shit man.

Even if the eggs are unfertilized, I just can't do it.

Ubiquitrips_sl said:

Largely because I am over one month in and it is working. There is no motivation like progress.

There is also a comfort level with these programs. I had done Atkins around 15 years ago to get some weight down after high school. I am able to eat what I want (more or less) without counting calories or really putting much thought into it at all. I am also able to get some results before attempting exercise (first DDP Yoga session was yesterday!).

Please believe, I understand other methods would work, but why mess with a good thing?

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I would encourage you to be skeptical. At 282 lbs, you were bound to see results by making virtually any change to your routine. Moving forward you will have to focus less on results and more on sustaining the progress you make.

For me, something like Atkins is just not sustainable. I cook most of the meals in my house and I cook for 5 people. I'm not putting my 3 year old on Atkins, that's weird. To me, if I can find success without a "gimmick" diet, and instead get my results eating normal foods that I know I can sustain even after I've lost weight, that is the road I want to take.

What is this "DDP Yoga"?

chaos_sl said:

I would encourage you to be skeptical. At 282 lbs, you were bound to see results by making virtually any change to your routine. Moving forward you will have to focus less on results and more on sustaining the progress you make.

For me, something like Atkins is just not sustainable. I cook most of the meals in my house and I cook for 5 people. I'm not putting my 3 year old on Atkins, that's weird. To me, if I can find success without a "gimmick" diet, and instead get my results eating normal foods that I know I can sustain even after I've lost weight, that is the road I want to take.

What is this "DDP Yoga"?

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I agree with Chaos.

Ubi, at your size just about any intervention will work, Keto diets are usually for leaner people that want to be VERY lean (although they work on nearly everyone), for a limited time-frame. If you like it though and it works I'd stick with it for a while. Just keep in mind at some point you probably won't be able to maintain a diet so strict and you should prepare to transition to something more sustainable, probably involving whole foods and learning how to cook (if you don't already).

DDP stands for "Diamond Dallas Page"

Denaut_sl said:

I agree with Chaos.

Ubi, at your size just about any intervention will work, Keto diets are usually for leaner people that want to be VERY lean (although they work on nearly everyone), for a limited time-frame. If you like it though and it works I'd stick with it for a while. Just keep in mind at some point you probably won't be able to maintain a diet so strict and you should prepare to transition to something more sustainable, probably involving whole foods and learning how to cook (if you don't already).

DDP stands for "Diamond Dallas Page"

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When you guys are talking about normal / whole foods, does that mean reintroducing grains or higher carb intake or..? I am confused by this because I feel like most of the things I am eating so far are pretty normal (minus the coffee). The low carb portion of this is mainly geared at increasing weight loss. When I enter maintenance, things like Sweet Potatoes and such will be coming back because they are delicious.


DDPYoga is just bro yoga basically. I picked it up because it amused me to have a Pro Wrestler be a Yoga instructor. I figure if I can make myself get into a Yoga habit at home I will be more accepting of a gym membership and not waste it.

Ubiquitrips_sl said:

Forgot to update with yesterdays calories as well. I underestimated how much I was eating by around 20%, my fault.

Breakfast: BPC - Approx 400 calories
Lunch: lettuce wrap sandwich ham/swiss with carrots / blue cheese dressing Approx 600
Snack: half serving 2% cottage cheese - Approx 60 calories
Dinner: 2x Salmon Filet and 1.5 servings of broccoli w/ butter Approx 800 Calories

Total Calories: 1860

If low calories is a concern I can work on ways to increase them, it isn't hard to get a few extra hundred with fats.

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My 2 cents: Dinner is perfect, lunch seems good too, not sure about the coffee thing but whatever Calorie wise I feel like it's too low. It will work, but be aware that you might stall pretty hard. Metabolism might slow forcing you to eat even less or exercise more and it's a tougher path than necessary. Just set your expectations now and realize what may happen so you dont feel as frustrated.

In your position I'd eat more, maybe up it by 500 calories if you're gonna count. Same good food choices, add a bit of exercise. Just seems like too little food.

Overall though if you keep eating that kind of food you'll see great body composition changes.

Ubiquitrips_sl said:

When you guys are talking about normal / whole foods, does that mean reintroducing grains or higher carb intake or..? I am confused by this because I feel like most of the things I am eating so far are pretty normal (minus the coffee). The low carb portion of this is mainly geared at increasing weight loss. When I enter maintenance, things like Sweet Potatoes and such will be coming back because they are delicious.

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Not necessarily. What I mean is that the mental space and discipline you occupy being so strict is (generally speaking) not sustainable over the long-term and is poor at absorbing shocks to your routine. This is inevitable as our lives change, perhaps we get married or have kids or whatever. What you should plan out is how you will eventually transition to a lifestyle that is at last somewhat resistant to this, while preserving your overall health.

Also, at some point you will probably reach a situation where eating so little won't be doable anymore, the timing of this varies depending on the person but you should prepare for your "I can't take it anymore" moment and make sure you don't lapse into old habits.

Noodleface_sl said:

I always had a problem with protein bars. They taste digusting, have the consistency of almost-dried glue, and sometimes have a bunch of sugar and stuff. I don't know what quest bars contain, so I'm speaking more general. I always enjoyed eating tuna straight out of the can for my protein, although I always get dirty looks when I do it.

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Eggs are good, but I don't do eggs. Taste and smell make me want to puke

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I think it's been clearly established that your taste buds are abnormal and, quite frankly, fucked up.

Most protein bars are delicious and I'm especially fond of Clif Bar Builders Bars. They've got a nice variety of flavors, and I'm partial to the Vanilla Almond and Chocolate Peanut Butter flavors. Chocolate is my least favorite. I believe the gimmick with Quest Protein Bars is that they're (really) all natural ingredients and contain no sugar and very few carbs. Expensive as hell, though. Most other protein bars do have lots of sugar, but if you're after protein they're a tasty way of getting it on the go.

Also, eggs are a delicious miracle food and you're a terrible person for not liking them.

Denaut_sl said:

Not necessarily. What I mean is that the mental space and discipline you occupy being so strict is (generally speaking) not sustainable over the long-term and is poor at absorbing shocks to your routine. This is inevitable as our lives change, perhaps we get married or have kids or whatever. What you should plan out is how you will eventually transition to a lifestyle that is at last somewhat resistant to this, while preserving your overall health.

Also, at some point you will probably reach a situation where eating so little won't be doable anymore, the timing of this varies depending on the person but you should prepare for your "I can't take it anymore" moment and make sure you don't lapse into old habits.

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I think I see what you are saying. Basically, on a low carb diet of any sort, if you 'break' and go nuts on stuff you will see a more radical weight gain than otherwise. This leads to a defeatist type attitude and overall regression and is more easy to say 'fuck it' and bail.

My hope is that by the time that happens I will have a consistent Yoga habit and, if the numbers are kind, I will be a member of a combat sport so I can transition to more carbs, etc. and not do too much of a weight increase.

Am I out of the man club to be exiled from this forum until the end of days?

Ubiquitrips_sl said:

I think I see what you are saying. Basically, on a low carb diet of any sort, if you 'break' and go nuts on stuff you will see a more radical weight gain than otherwise. This leads to a defeatist type attitude and overall regression and is more easy to say 'fuck it' and bail.

My hope is that by the time that happens I will have a consistent Yoga habit and, if the numbers are kind, I will be a member of a combat sport so I can transition to more carbs, etc. and not do too much of a weight increase.

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Not just low-carb, but any strict diet of any sort including low-fat or low-Calorie.

This ties into part of the reason I am not a huge fan of counting Calories being the default. It treats food as just energy units consumed by a machine. But food is more than that as it has great societal, cultural, and social implications. Food and eating are part and parcel of our daily lives, and especially about our interactions with other people, and the people we share food with the most are usually those we are closest to.

So when we try to put food in some odd mechanistic corner of our lives we are denying reality, and reality has an almost inevitable way of painfully reasserting itself.

for me one reason I like keto is that diabetes is a big issue in my family - my dad got T2 late in life, my grandpa had it, and an uncle has it.None of them are obese, so I think our family just got fucked on the genetic lottery. I have a Novamax monitor with strips that I check a few times a year to make sure nothing is going bad, and my blood sugar was slowly creeping up over the last 3 years (from 80 to 100, fasting - 125+ is basically diabetes). Its actually dropped to low 70s now. I enjoyed carbs a lot up until this point in my life but I don't have a real problem rarely eating pasta, rice, potatoes, and other starchy stuff for the rest of my life especially if I can avoid all the complications diabetes brings.

Tuna is great when mixed in with some yogurt and hot sauce too, lived off that stuff as a poor college student. or just thrown on top of some sort of lettuce mixed with some cheese and sunflower seeds.

Eggs smell really bad (sulphurous) if over or undercooked, you can youtube some great hardboiled egg videos to get a flawless cooking technique down. Gordon Ramsay has a great video on scrambled eggs and butter, mix it with some sriracha and spinach and it is heavenly. Bacon, spinach, eggs, and cheese make for awesome omelettes too. I find if I am not perfect in my timing with cooking eggs though they get that sulphur smell that is just gross.

Ramsay has actually a pretty awesome 20 episode UK TV series on just a whole bunch of basic cooking techniques for a range of foods, similar to Good Eats. You can torrent out Ramsay Ultimate Cookery Course, taught me a few nice new ways to cook fish and meats. I'm fortunate in that my wife cooks for the family and since I work at home I cook just for myself, and have a lot of fun learning new stuff and buying awesome new kitchen toys.

Denaut_sl said:

Not just low-carb, but any strict diet of any sort including low-fat or low-Calorie.

This ties into part of the reason I am not a huge fan of counting Calories being the default. It treats food as just energy units consumed by a machine. But food is more than that as it has great societal, cultural, and social implications. Food and eating are part and parcel of our daily lives, and especially about our interactions with other people, and the people we share food with the most are usually those we are closest to.

So when we try to put food in some odd mechanistic corner of our lives we are denying reality, and reality has an almost inevitable way of painfully reasserting itself.

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That attitude is why a lot of people are fat. Food isn't about survival anymore, it's about being social. I'm sure you'll go on a 2 page rage about that comment now.

As far as protein bars go, I know it was mentioned in the other thread a few times. My main issue with them is the price. For what you're getting, they're crazy expensive ($2 for 170 calories and maybe 20g protein). You'd be better off eating 3 eggs, or if you hate eggs having some nuts.

I also like how everyone is saying Ubiquitrips will end up crashing his metabolism on this diet. I'm pretty sure I said the same thing whenever it was first brought up and everyone freaked out.

Elurin_sl said:

That attitude is why a lot of people are fat. Food isn't about survival anymore, it's about being social. I'm sure you'll go on a 2 page rage about that comment now.

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There is nothing to rant about. Food is ingrained within all human cultures and societies. It is, and has been for as long as we have records, social. If anything eating has becomeanti-socialin the last 30 years or so, and that is contributing to the problem.