What do you do?

Our NOC is in Kendall square and visible to the public, large 40 foot wide screen setup and everything. If someone was drunk it would be hilarious.

Mist_sl said:

Not only drunk, but very drunk and blasting Eminem and singing along very loudly.

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And you think letting someone like this telework is a good idea?

Mist_sl said:

Not only drunk, but very drunk and blasting Eminem and singing along very loudly.

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How fired.

Is this legit? So many people can't even name a CEO? You would think people could name the CEO of the company they work for, assuming hey were for a large company. They didn't really get into it, maybe they were just asking to name specific CEO's or something.

Just seemed odd to me.

More than half of people can't name a single CEO - Yahoo Finance

The woman I mentioned before who we were hiring was late because she "got lost in the parking lot."

Regarding the CEO thing it doesn't surprise me. I couldn't name a CEO off the top of my head. It's not that I'm stupid. I just don't give a damn about business. To me, that would be like asking me to name a head of state of an African nation. Again, I just don't care enough to have that knowledge.

I bet people that work in large corporations can name their own CEO - you get indoctrinated early and often

I can name my own company's CEO but I can't really think of any others off the top of my head. Maybe some of the more famous people but I don't know if they are CEO's like Elon Musk and Zuckerberg.

Someone in HR must have an idea who they want to hire to possibly not hire. Saw an ad today that said must have 26.5 years experience. I've seen lots of 20+ or whatever but that's pretty specific. Either thier candidate has 27 or they have a shit candidate they are trying to avoid that has 25.

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Someone in HR must have an idea who they want to hire to possibly not hire. Saw an ad today that said must have 26.5 years experience. I've seen lots of 20+ or whatever but that's pretty specific. Either thier candidate has 27 or they have a shit candidate they are trying to avoid that has 25.

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Nice, sounds like someone exploiting H1B.

I got an apology today. Doesn't happen everyday. I interviewed with a company a few years ago and I got real blunt and honest and told them "good luck" what they had planned wasn't going to work as they thought as far as pay scale went and such. One of the interviewers from the parent company got all pissy about it and said that's not how "stuff works in Scotland" which is where he was from. I told, this ain't Scotland.

Two years later the HR guy called me and said "You were right". No shit sherlock. Said he had never heard someone tell people/company that their shit was fucked during an interview. The news was they were shutting down one planned plant and idling the one they had built.

They literally thought they could pay people $10/hour to stand around in the rain and heat and work a funky schedule of rotating days/nights for 16 hours when they could drive 30-40 minutes and make $25-$50/hour doing less work on a regular 8hour day or 10 hour day with 3 days weekends. I can't believe this was news to them.

That rotating or just random schedule shit needs to stop. Hire a day crew, hire a night crew. Maybe have some predictable wobble of overlap. It lets them make appointments and have a social life, maintain a steady sleep schedule, etc. They tried to start re-scheduling my guys, and I told them to knock it off. We've got synergy. Why you trying to fuck with it?

There is a mentality among some managers that having static shifts leads to complacency, people fucking off, not knowing the job, etc. My answer was, then fucking fire them. Hire people who actually want to do the work and can do the work, pipe the people working shift into permanent spots as the people in those spots rotate out, create your own pipeline. But, well, there are a lot of reasons I don't work there anymore.

I redid my resume, shortened it up, and I have been getting a fuckload of hits lately. That may just be because of the magic words ("security" "engineer") at the top, or who knows, maybe there are just a lot of companies hard up for vulnerability management people now.

But a lot of the calls are shit. Today I got a call for a job doing engineering, vuln management, and compliance auditing/reporting. Those are like 3-4 different jobs. Which is actually ok, but they want to pay 10k less than my current base. At the max. I don't understand these fucking people.

Almost all of the calls are from people who barely speak english, and I don't want to be racist, but if I can't understand you, I don't want to sit around talking about positions with you.

Anyway I'm not even looking now, I just updated my shit so I can be ready if anything happens and started getting inundated. It's like people don't know what they want. They have these urgent requirements for security people but want to pay them shit and work them like dogs.

Yea, it's pretty funny TBH how much money companies are willing to lose by hiring the wrong people to save a few pennies on the front end in IT. I did a contract once where I set up and configured pretty much all the networking at a new business location. Contract had minimum billable hours per trip and night, weekend and weekend night rates. Company calls me at 6PM Friday like two weeks after it ended urgently trying to get their entire network back up, I said well you know my rates... they bitched and moaned and hung up over paying me $200 to run down there and fix it. 30 minutes later they called back and I said, you realize it's now night and weekend hours by time I can get there at 7 right? They acquiesced... apparently their network tech had turned off DHCP and they had no earthly clue what to do. 200/hr 4 hour minimum billable for 5 minutes work lol.

Anyway, an odd question... has anyone ever applied for a government advisory panel position? I'm not sure what to do to my resume for that type of post, I'm trying to resist the urge to turn it into a high school graduate resume 'honor society and chess club and ranked number 3!!!' type BS I would never put down for just a job. It's like few meetings a year on regulatory changes, nothing big but I figure I might as try as I got permission to apply. Also, any best ideas for a letter of reference categorically? I'm thinking big names over heartfelt content or writing quality.

I was just at Shmoocon last weekend and Jeff Moss was there talking about his position on the DHS advisory panel. They didn't get into resumes or how to get on them, but he did stress honesty in the advising process. Pros and cons, not just trying to pt a shine on everything. And also everyone on the panel said don't try and get everything done, pick 1-2 important things to represent.

I would think, personally, big names and stick with actual industry accomplishments rather than bs. They're managers like the rest, I assume they're looking for he same thing.

Yea, I think I'll just have to tailor the resume slightly to also highlight specific things within the scope of the agency/board even though I probably wouldn't choose to add that stuff for a normal job.

Unfortunately my resume seems 'boring' for this because I haven't been moving between companies a lot in the past decade and I get the feeling that while that helps job prospects it hurts 'broad experience' or whatever they claim to want. We'll see. I fully expect to get turned down automatically, since this is for regulatory advisement I presume most of the regulators want to put puppet yes-men into those spots not people with actual insight or experience and to be honest it appears that's what they've mostly done for the past few cycles at least. I'm sure it would be different in a highly technical area like standards or security where they need outside industry, but where they're just figuring out how best to destroy businesses with regulation I'm not so sure.

My biggest complaint was they literally thought people wouldn't drive 30-45 minutes to get 3x or more pay. Plants in a very rural area and they thought they could literally pay $10/hour. Well 2 minutes in town at the town cafe you would find out those with "real" jobs in the area drive into town and like the rural setting. The only jobs in town are a few retail jobs and they thought they could hire plant operators and pay them the same wages as the stop and rob.

Palum_sl said:

Yea, I think I'll just have to tailor the resume slightly to also highlight specific things within the scope of the agency/board even though I probably wouldn't choose to add that stuff for a normal job.

Unfortunately my resume seems 'boring' for this because I haven't been moving between companies a lot in the past decade and I get the feeling that while that helps job prospects it hurts 'broad experience' or whatever they claim to want. We'll see. I fully expect to get turned down automatically, since this is for regulatory advisement I presume most of the regulators want to put puppet yes-men into those spots not people with actual insight or experience and to be honest it appears that's what they've mostly done for the past few cycles at least. I'm sure it would be different in a highly technical area like standards or security where they need outside industry, but where they're just figuring out how best to destroy businesses with regulation I'm not so sure.

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Just make shit up. I'm going to guess unless they know someoe that is your current reference or such they don't check anyway. It's like a contest to see who can write the best sounding resume instead of who actually can back it up. At least that's what I garnered out of my last stint of trying to hire people.