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Cybsled

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Ya concept was cool but execution was off. Characters didn’t seem to give a shit if another character died, lack of logic (if you’re going to turn into a zombie, why not make sure you disable your technology that makes you a massive threat?), humor in odd spots made it unclear if it was satire but then they had moments of characters being sad for a minute

Also, what would be the motivation for a zombie Thanos? Less zombies in the universe? Unlimited food?

Plus, how did he become a zombie? It presumably happened between Hulk arriving on Earth and invasion of Wakanda. If Wakanda was zombie free and the mind stone wasn’t there, why even go there?
 
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Yeah a little weird but I still enjoyed it, Zombie Scarlet Witch was scary AF and Hulk vs her was neat. the ending was just out of nowhere though and a bit comical in the stretch. Zombies using powers and tech is not great but you gotta roll with it I guess. I have no idea who the guy with the Russian accent is supposed to be.

It was neat how characters were getting dropped left and right. Definitely not as impactful story wise as the Dr. Strange episode, but it really fulfills the core premise of the show, "... what if?". Its neat for someone who only watches MCU movies/shows and not comic books (like me) to see so many characters interact.

It woulda made a great Halloween episode.
 
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spronk said:
It was neat how characters were getting dropped left and right. Definitely not as impactful story wise as the Dr. Strange episode, but it really fulfills the core premise of the show, "... what if?". Its neat for someone who only watches MCU movies/shows and not comic books (like me) to see so many characters interact.
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Disagree. The premise was all there was, didn't look like they had any idea what to do with it. Then they skip whatever happened when they got to Wakanda with the mind stone, which was like the entire purpose of what they were doing, to just magically say "lol zombie Thanos won"

It woulda made a great Halloween episode.
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That I agree with, but was still the weakest episode outside of the woke Black Panther/GoTG nonsense
 
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spronk said:
Yeah a little weird but I still enjoyed it, Zombie Scarlet Witch was scary AF and Hulk vs her was neat. the ending was just out of nowhere though and a bit comical in the stretch. Zombies using powers and tech is not great but you gotta roll with it I guess. I have no idea who the guy with the Russian accent is supposed to be.

It was neat how characters were getting dropped left and right. Definitely not as impactful story wise as the Dr. Strange episode, but it really fulfills the core premise of the show, "... what if?". Its neat for someone who only watches MCU movies/shows and not comic books (like me) to see so many characters interact.

It woulda made a great Halloween episode.
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As far as zombies using the tech, I am pretty sure in most, if not all, Marvel Zombies books, the supers keep all their powers as zombies, that is what makes them dangerous, otherwise Wolverine would kill them all every time.

The Russian guy was the guy from Ant-man, of the group of Michael Pena, Black guy and Russian guy.

Hulk's Infinite strength vs Scarlet Witch's magic was sweet.

And yeah, I think Thanos at the end was a time jump of him arriving on Earth the same way he did in Infinity War, outside the force shields looking for the mind stone, only he got zombified really quick I guess. Maybe Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw went back up to the spaceship and bit him.

Thought it was as entertaining as any other Marvel Zombies story, which also moved pretty quick.
 
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Not great. Not terrible. Just felt like a string of moments and not really a story.
 
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I feel like they wasted too much screen time on shitty jokes that could've been used for better purposes. People just constantly throwing out stupid one-liners after another was exhausting.
 
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I feel like they wasted too much screen time on shitty jokes that could've been used for better purposes. People just constantly throwing out stupid one-liners after another was exhausting.
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They did a lot of that as shout outs to this or that zombie movie, etc.
 
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j00t

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Kaige said:
I feel like they wasted too much screen time on shitty jokes that could've been used for better purposes. People just constantly throwing out stupid one-liners after another was exhausting.
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unpopular opinion, but this was my EXACT complaint about thor ragnarok.

anyway, russian dude was polka-dot man from ant-man series.

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This last ep was kind of eh. The lack of consistency in the zombies bugged me a bit as well - what is it ? Are they mindless brain eating zombies or are they are a coordinated team teleporting in and using high tech items in an intelligent fashion ? This changes from scene to scene for no obvious reason.
 
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bucky not caring AT ALL that falcon got killed was pretty great though
 
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I assumed this was the start of a recurring series within the What If universe. The Marvel Zombies comics ran for many issues over the years.

I liked it, but the comic version, iirc, was far more serious and gruesome.
 
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Gavinmad

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Spiderman being such a direct ripoff of Zombieland came off as super lazy. This concept just doesn't work in the 25 minute format, Marvel Zombies is the kind of thing that should have been a feature length movie so you could have a proper sense of horror instead of this comedic abortion.
 
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Definitely one of the weaker episodes so far. When Wasp went down I knew already she was going to get up later, and still be big. They didn't think this one out as well as they should have. That was just one of the story points they could have thought out better. Did not help at all that this one immediately followed the best episode so far. We've been talking about the Dr. Strange ep all week at work on a daily basis.
 
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Cybsled

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Ya my first thought with wasp was “take out the pym particle tech before you die”
 
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Not sure if it's been talked about, but isn't the reason he can't save Christine because if he does then he doesn't become the sorcerer supreme (and I'm assuming create a paradox which is why the universe ends)?

Except she never died in the main timeline and he still became the sorcerer supreme so clearly her death isn't required. And even if he doesn't, hasn't it been established that it would just create a new timeline?

Am I missing something?
 
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Not sure if it's been talked about, but isn't the reason he can't save Christine because if he does then he doesn't become the sorcerer supreme (and I'm assuming create a paradox which is why the universe ends)?

Except she never died in the main timeline and he still became the sorcerer supreme so clearly her death isn't required. And even if he doesn't, hasn't it been established that it would just create a new timeline?

Am I missing something?
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What you're missing is the show's entire premise.

In our universe she never died, but in this universe being explored in episode 4, her death not only happens but is a fixed point, it cannot possibly be stopped (and if you impossibly do it, game over).

Every universe is going to have different causes leading to different consequences, again it's the entire point.
 
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What you're missing is the show's entire premise.

In our universe she never died, but in this universe being explored in episode 4, her death not only happens but is a fixed point, it cannot possibly be stopped (and if you impossibly do it, game over).

Every universe is going to have different causes leading to different consequences, again it's the entire point.
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It's explained as being a fixed point because it leads to him becoming sorcerer supreme, but there's other ways for him to reach that point.

I get that the point of What if? Is shooting stories where things are different, but it undermines that when the story involves time traveling to undo that difference
 
Runnen

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It's explained as being a fixed point because it leads to him becoming sorcerer supreme, but there's other ways for him to reach that point.

I get that the point of What if? Is shooting stories where things are different, but it undermines that when the story involves time traveling to undo that difference
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There's other ways in other universes, not in this one. In this one, the only way for him to be Sorcerer Supreme is to lose Christine in the car accident, that's why it cannot or should not be prevented.

Supposedly in our universe his hands being severely damaged is a fixed point as well, and it is likely that upon learning how to manipulate time, if Strange had attempted to go back to the past and save his hands from harm, he'd have been injured somehow every single attempt too, because otherwise he wouldn't have undergone the journey to become what allowed him to time-travel back in the first place.

I think you're just trying too hard to fit these alternate realities into the "one sacred timeline" of the MCU.
 
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There's other ways in other universes, not in this one. In this one, the only way for him to be Sorcerer Supreme is to lose Christine in the car accident, that's why it cannot or should not be prevented.

Supposedly in our universe his hands being severely damaged is a fixed point as well, and it is likely that upon learning how to manipulate time, if Strange had attempted to go back to the past and save his hands from harm, he'd have been injured somehow every single attempt too, because otherwise he wouldn't have undergone the journey to become what allowed him to time-travel back in the first place.

I think you're just trying too hard to fit these alternate realities into the "one sacred timeline" of the MCU.
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Nice theory, but that's all just stuff you made up and not stated or implied at any point by anyone in the MCU
 
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Gavinmad

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Ambiturner said:
Nice theory, but that's all just stuff you made up and not stated or implied at any point by anyone in the MCU
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Seems like you're just being deliberately obtuse. Runnen Runnen isn't making up some wild theory, he's just stating the (extremely) obvious.
 
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