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RobXIII

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guys i need you to talk me out of picking up a Tesla

Really want a plaid cus weeeeee gooooofasssst but its such a ridiculous purchase i can't justify 100k+ for it.

but with all the faggots getting butthurt over Elon and selling their tesla's as some sort of protest (lol) i'm seeing 2021-23 Plaids for 40-50k, 2017 ish P100Ds for 15k, etc

I bought an S brand new in 2020.

Then another one now that I have a 2nd driver in the house, it was a 2017 beautiful gold (copper?) S with a sunroof. 13k after the 4k tax rebate. But older than 2018 or so, the glue for the monitors goes bad and leaks, then your screens look like they have an old screen protector on them but still work.

Easy fix was to have Tesla do the $1500 computer / entertainment upgrade, they replace the screens for it, not a bad price. I've had zero issues with the car. Insurance cost IS a concern, oddly using the Tesla app to get Tesla insurance was 30% cheaper than my usual go to (Costco).

Don't dragstrip race everywhere and tires will be mostly fine, unless your alignment is off. Then the extra car weight really punishes you.
 

Burren

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Yea I guess you should definitely trust the reviewers not a guy who owns one.

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Opinion =/= fact. People say those things for a reason. Just because your experience was different, doesn't invalidate the rest.
 
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Opinion =/= fact. People say those things for a reason. Just because your experience was different, doesn't invalidate the rest.
The comment I was replying to was "just hitting the brakes on the highway could result in a fun time."

Absolute bullshit.
 

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The X’s are hallarious when you are shooting down the road in a giant egg suv 0-70 in like 3 sec

If you have the lulz-money always get the fastest version. I very much wish I had gotten the faster Mach e…

The new 3s are quite a jump in quality
 

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The comment I was replying to was "just hitting the brakes on the highway could result in a fun time."

Absolute bubullshit.
I said unexpectedly, like going baboon >120 mph to trying to near stop or avoid the grandma that jumped in front of you. There is no getting around heavy car that measurabley had weaker brakes than a commensurate high end sports car. This was much improved recently.

Maybe you don't push iton public roads, enough grandma's in AMGs out there that do 5 over only, but if you want to call me a tesla hater that's real retarded and not my post history. I even specifically said I'm not to preface it earlier.

But it's a contest between you and sanrith to fucking glaze and white knight tesla the hardest the second anything less than full glowing is said. I forget which of you 2 rage quit for a month after the uber shilling got ragged on heavily by a half dozen other posters. Either way, even you usually are great at nuance and why I like you in politics, your electric car is a blind spot that you like to clutch your pearls over like some comment is going to send the company under and deprive you of having one.
 
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Sylas

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I bought an S brand new in 2020.

Then another one now that I have a 2nd driver in the house, it was a 2017 beautiful gold (copper?) S with a sunroof. 13k after the 4k tax rebate. But older than 2018 or so, the glue for the monitors goes bad and leaks, then your screens look like they have an old screen protector on them but still work.

Easy fix was to have Tesla do the $1500 computer / entertainment upgrade, they replace the screens for it, not a bad price. I've had zero issues with the car. Insurance cost IS a concern, oddly using the Tesla app to get Tesla insurance was 30% cheaper than my usual go to (Costco).

Don't dragstrip race everywhere and tires will be mostly fine, unless your alignment is off. Then the extra car weight really punishes you.
Nice this is very helpful, didn't know specifics about them or fixes, or insurance stuff. Was slightly more than casually looking at this one particular 2017 P100D but the dealership i think is bait and switching me, the price listed on cars.com/autotrader.com was 17k but when I actually looked into it that was including some sort of EV tax break so it was actually over 20k.

I didn't know you could get the tax rebate buying a used EV, that seems like such a fucking scam.

What really blows my mind is the discount on these new teslas. I get it, they are basically a really expensive cell phone, they have a fixed lifespan. Giant sealed battery compartment with a limited number of recharges, so the cost can fluctuate wildly based on mileage and you never know if you are buying from a retard who charged it to 100% every night in their garage and prematurely fucked the battery. It makes sense for the 2014-2017s, especially those pushing 100k miles or more, to be so cheap relatively speaking, people are getting rid of them before they need a battery replacement.

but these 2021-2023 Plaids, oh man, these are a fucking steal.

For example I bought a 2022 Lexus that was 57k new, tax tag title it came out to just over 60k which I paid cash for. Now the dealership has repeatedly called me and offered to buy it from me from 38-41k since its pristine and has very low miles, just hit my 15k mile servicing actually. Last offer I got a few months ago from them was 39k. So basically it retained about 64-65% of its value.

A 2022 Plaid cost 100k new, and their resale price is 60k, so just slightly less 60% value (probably due to the battery life thing) but now with the faggots crying over Elon you can get one for 40-42k.

I could literally sell my 2022 Lexus I paid 60k for and buy a 2022 Tesla S Plaid someone else paid 100k for.
 
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I get it, they are basically a really expensive cell phone, they have a fixed lifespan. Giant sealed battery compartment with a limited number of recharges, so the cost can fluctuate wildly based on mileage and you never know if you are buying from a retard who charged it to 100% every night in their garage and prematurely fucked the battery.
Have there actually been any studies on which charging methods get the best battery life out of Tesla? Different battery technologies react differently to charging methods. AFAIK, the new lithium stuff, at least in cell phones, degrade faster if you are deep cycling them, instead of keeping them topped off. Which is opposite of batteries in phones 15+ years ago, where you were better off deep cycling them (to keep unused/underused cells from fussing together).
 

Sylas

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I mean its just like 10k AA lithium batteries all sealed in a box they're the same as any other lithium battery?

But i'm pretty sure Tesla recommends deep cycle, run it low then charge it up to 80%, not top it off every night.

I haven't seen any cellphone that recommends what you are describing? Samsung's (and i'm sure others) charging is actually OS controlled now, you plug them in at night like most folks do, they monitor your activity to know when you wake up and only start charging like 30minutes before you wake up to ensure you have 95-100% battery just as you get up but they sit all night not charging at all.
 

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Have there actually been any studies on which charging methods get the best battery life out of Tesla? Different battery technologies react differently to charging methods. AFAIK, the new lithium stuff, at least in cell phones, degrade faster if you are deep cycling them, instead of keeping them topped off. Which is opposite of batteries in phones 15+ years ago, where you were better off deep cycling them (to keep unused/underused cells from fussing together).
Basically this. Each OEM has a recommendation and it does vary a bit depending on battery chem. For regular/daily driving we limit to the charge to 80%.
 
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The comment I was replying to was "just hitting the brakes on the highway could result in a fun time."

Absolute bullshit.
Oh, yes. It’s not going to crash. What people experienced and commented on in the past was repeated high speed stopping which overwhelmed the brakes and lead to fade. NOT typical of real world driving.
 

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I mean its just like 10k AA lithium batteries all sealed in a box they're the same as any other lithium battery?

But i'm pretty sure Tesla recommends deep cycle, run it low then charge it up to 80%, not top it off every night.

I haven't seen any cellphone that recommends what you are describing? Samsung's (and i'm sure others) charging is actually OS controlled now, you plug them in at night like most folks do, they monitor your activity to know when you wake up and only start charging like 30minutes before you wake up to ensure you have 95-100% battery just as you get up but they sit all night not charging at all.
There were studies a few years ago, not directly from manufacturers, that stress tested the various batteries and charge rates, but I don't remember where they were from anymore.

Here is the closest I could find right now, showing the lower you discharge the battery before recharging, the shorter the overall battery life. With an inverse effect of charging it from 80-100 also decreasing battery life. Still, repeated cycles of 50% - 100% last longer than 25% - 100%, even if that doesn't give the most optimal battery life/power:

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Siliconemelons

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Daily driver, daily recharge with a "normal" 40-80amp 220w home charger to 80-90% keeps things going the best.

Constant supercharger to supercharger cross country all day long will kill it faster.

Tesla has the best battery, charge and temperature management that has shown them to have the best long term battery life.

Look at a 2016 Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt to a model S...

Are there duds? yeah, just like in "normal" ICE cars.
 

Sylas

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Ahh I see what you are saying, but yeah it looks like 25-85% (well i think its 20-80% on teslas?) is the sweet spot for getting the most cycles while also getting the most capacity over time. Every example where they charge the battery to 100% kills the battery's capacity super fast so I don't think the "topping off" is recommended for any batteries? They also do not recommend using high voltage chargers like superchargers, lol.

Obviously in a perfect world you would only use 10% of your car's battery to drive 24 miles a day or 20 minutes total, starting at 75% and driving it to 65%, and then slow trickle charge it for the other 23 hours back up to 75% and then stopping. That is the optimal conditions for owning an EV.

Which is one of the reasons why EVs are so fucking gay.

Now if Elon would have went with the Nio solution that china is using instead of superchargers then I could see them being viable. instead of stopping to supercharge your car (or worse regular charge for many many hours) you pull into an automated garage that just swaps the battery for you. You pay a subscription which gives you x amount of battery swaps per month, subscription level depending on how much you drive. You can of course charge the battery yourself if you like but there's no need to (most places in china you dont have a garage so can't really charge at home) You don't actually own the battery you are basically renting it. The automated battery swap takes 3 minutes and you dont even have to get out of your car, it's like going through an automated car wash.

They also claim to have broke 1k km on a single charge on their batteries, which is like 621 miles.

All the problems from the battery, life cycles, having to charge them, etc all those burdens are moved from the car owner to the OEM instead.
 

Burren

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Daily driver, daily recharge with a "normal" 40-80amp 220w home charger to 80-90% keeps things going the best.

Constant supercharger to supercharger cross country all day long will kill it faster.

Tesla has the best battery, charge and temperature management that has shown them to have the best long term battery life.

Look at a 2016 Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt to a model S...

Are there duds? yeah, just like in "normal" ICE cars.
Very true. Always crappers in everything from cars to bikes to commercial earth movers.
 
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Oh, yes. It’s not going to crash. What people experienced and commented on in the past was repeated high speed stopping which overwhelmed the brakes and lead to fade. NOT typical of real world driving.
How is brake fade some uniquely Tesla issue?
 

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I had a 94 Supra Turbo in college but nice try. :)
It's from the movie The Firm, starring Tom Cruise. He went to work for The Firm who gifted him a Mercedes and a house to live in. The Mercedes in the pic is the one used in the film, parked in front of the house that was also used in the film.

The car Tom Cruise used to tow a trailer to the house was a Toyota Supra. An older version than yours.

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My college car sucked

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It's from the movie The Firm, starring Tom Cruise. He went to work for The Firm who gifted him a Mercedes and a house to live in. The Mercedes in the pic is the one used in the film, parked in front of the house that was also used in the film.

The car Tom Cruise used to tow a trailer to the house was a Toyota Supra. An older version than yours.

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My college car sucked

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MK 3s last year was 92, 93 forward was mk 4s