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I honestly think it's close to 90% or higher that civilization collapses, or we destroy ourselves. We can't control our population or consumption, and are unwilling to even try. If global warming starts causing real world consequences, people start starving, and it drives large scale migrations - we're fucked, because that'll lead to inevitable war as we fight over the remaining food production.

Best case scenario is a disease wipes out a large portion of the population, and then we'll probably be able to do a controlled climb. If nature doesn't cull us, then we'll do it to ourselves. I'm a heavy, heavy cynic when it comes to the future. I have absolutely no faith in humanity; and now that we're armed with nuclear weapons it's literally only. a. matter. of. time. They're too easy to create too, and they're going to keep spreading until a nation is willing to use them.

People who think we'll have a Star Trek like future and expand to the stars... are fucking retarded.

Technology is a double edged swords. It has benefits, but it also increases our capacity for destruction, mainly our own.
 
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Woolygimp said:
I honestly think it's close to 90% or higher that civilization collapses, or we destroy ourselves. We can't control our population or consumption, and are unwilling to even try. If global warming starts causing real world consequences, people start starving, and it drives large scale migrations - we're fucked, because that'll lead to inevitable war as we fight over the remaining food production.

Best case scenario is a disease wipes out a large portion of the population, and then we'll probably be able to do a controlled climb. If nature doesn't cull us, then we'll do it to ourselves. I'm a heavy, heavy cynic when it comes to the future. I have absolutely no faith in humanity; and now that we're armed with nuclear weapons it's literally only. a. matter. of. time. They're too easy to create too, and they're going to keep spreading until a nation is willing to use them.

People who think we'll have a Star Trek like future and expand to the stars... are fucking retarded.

Technology is a double edged swords. It has benefits, but it also increases our capacity for destruction, mainly our own.
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Somewhere in all this we get mechs right?
 
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Woolygimp Woolygimp is right. Humans waste entirely too many resources on completely useless things. He should do an act for the greater good of humanity and stop consumption of everything, to include O2.
 
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Woolygimp said:
People who think we'll have a Star Trek like future and expand to the stars... are fucking retarded.

Technology is a double edged swords. It has benefits, but it also increases our capacity for destruction, mainly our own.
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Your post leaves out a fairly important concept: decisions.

You're probably right about the future of our species, but its important to recognize that its not inevitable. IF we spent 5-10% of the amount we currently spend on entitlements + defense instead on space travel, our future would be fundamentally different than what you describe. IF we continue to spend our money on $600 toilet seats for aircraft carriers, paying administrators to do jobs that could be accomplished by a half page of code, and paying for "poor" peoples' smartphones... then yeah, we are beyond fucked.

IF is an important concept.
 
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Rome was a post-scarcity society.
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Oh my friends....

We are going to get a Star Trek federation future but it's going to be the Risa episode on repeat starring Fun Police Lt. Worf.


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Woolygimp

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What's hard to understand gentlemens? The people of Rome had no available jobs, and were given free food, and entertainment.

There were basically soldiers and slaves with the former being replaced with mercenaries.
 
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When machines put 75% of our labor force out of work, and we all start receiving basic income via stipends, then that doesn't that change us to a Socialist/Communist society?

What will people start spending their time on? Increasingly entertaining games and media? Working to improve the environment? There will obviously still require people in the services industry, politics, and criminal justice system. Do they receive more money?

The impact machines will have on our economy really interests me. Also, what's to prevent overconsumption (which is already taking place)? People buy a lot of shit they don't need and it's placing undo pressure on our natural resources. When machines take over, production can technically only be limited by resources so we could literally very quickly run out if consumption isn't controlled.

Here's my post further down:
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I imagine wooly as this in a post scarcity society.

 
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Aldarion said:
Your post leaves out a fairly important concept: decisions.

You're probably right about the future of our species, but its important to recognize that its not inevitable. IF we spent 5-10% of the amount we currently spend on entitlements + defense instead on space travel, our future would be fundamentally different than what you describe. IF we continue to spend our money on $600 toilet seats for aircraft carriers, paying administrators to do jobs that could be accomplished by a half page of code, and paying for "poor" peoples' smartphones... then yeah, we are beyond fucked.

IF is an important concept.
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If only the obamaphone wasn't around we woulda seent the stars!
 
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Commie shit has it's own thread and post scarcity has been done in the science thread. If all you have is to claim Rome was post scarcity, I'm going to laugh this thread into the shaw where a statement like that belongs. Otherwise I'm happy to let it die a natural death.
 
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AngryGerbil said:
Commie shit has it's own thread and post scarcity has been done in the science thread. If all you have is to claim Rome was post scarcity, I'm going to laugh this thread into the shaw where a statement like that belongs. Otherwise I'm happy to let it die a natural death.
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Your scenario is plausible; indeed, it is partially realised today, and would be more closely realised if it weren't for leftists. Again, it was partially realised in Roman society in late Republican and more particularly early Imperial times. People in the upper class devoted themselves to the arts, to sex, and to the pleasures of the table. Power politics weren't very interesting because the Emperor looked after that, and it was dangerous to get involved. Every type of sex proliferated, in particular sex with boys, but everything went. And it was much too much effort to raise children. So the upper class declined. To be fair to them, certain of the Emperors such as Tiberius did murder a lot of them.
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Captain Capitalism: Why Post-Scarcity Economics is Scary

How isn't Rome post scarcity? They owned the world and had access to everything, and the state covered the cost/simply took what they wanted.
 
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Full on Socialism will never work due to human nature. Advanced societies have lower birth rates and get out bred (and dragged back into the mud) by hordes of retards who fuck like rabbits. People would all have to basically be able to be both educated, driven, and capable of putting aside their personal interests for the collective good. The people who live at the top of the current Capitalism/Socialism globalist hybrid have a vested interest in making sure that never happens and engineer some social chaos whenever there is a slightest threat to the status quo. Even in a post scarcity society there will be people who covet power and have (often primitive) agendas to push that will make it impossible to work. Historically, people NEVER cede their power and status voluntarily.
 
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I don't do antiquity history but from my brief study of roman history in my youth, it certainly wasn't a fucking paradise for the mob.
 
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