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Torrid said:
I wish developers would just create servers with differing mechanics similar to how they have servers with different PvP rulesets so people can just choose which mechanics they prefer
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I mean I guess that's a decent idea in theory but at some point you are just splitting up the playerbase too much. Honestly for me I am just excited to play classic again and 1.12 patch is fine by me.

There are so many theories going around from flight removal in other expansions and continuation of Vanilla with new expansions breaking off from retail path and all this other shit. I might be in the minority here but I just want to have fun playing WoW like I used to and I had a lot of fun up until Cata/MoP, then I had a bit of fun in Legion.

I mean really if Blizzard just goes the easy route for cash they can and hopefully will enjoy the classic train for 1-2 years then release TBC servers and Wrath servers maybe even if we are lucky we will simply get some progression servers like EQ does. That alone can milk them at least 3-4 years of content without having to do much of jack and/or shit.

If we are lucky they will learn some from this and the future retail expansions will move back closer to a true MMORPG and all these bloated shit systems can be peeled off. Probably not but one can hope.
 
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Yeah, it's a bit confusing/impractical/whatever, but most of the development is world building, art etc, so it's not a huge increase in development cost. Just hire 1-2 more devs to take the content developed by the main team and convert it to 'EQ mode'. Of course then, what do you call it? 'hard mode'? 'tedium mode'?

It just struck me that we put up with 14 years of DDR fire-on-the-ground raiding because they had to add shit to do for DPS classes because the new guys who took over WoW after the Blizzard dev exodus around that time didn't want to nerf Alliance paladins.
 
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No, we got 14 years of DDR fire-on-the-ground raiding because Blizzard turned raid design into an arms race against addon developers. They needed to pare down the LUA API and addon capabilities but instead they let the players run amok creating what were tantamount to cheat modes via addons. They should have taken a hard line and made it so addons were cosmetic in nature with very little access to what's under the hood. Then we wouldn't have to deal with the idiotic levels of raid tuning we have now.
 
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Torrid said:
Yeah, it's a bit confusing/impractical/whatever, but most of the development is world building, art etc, so it's not a huge increase in development cost. Just hire 1-2 more devs to take the content developed by the main team and convert it to 'EQ mode'. Of course then, what do you call it? 'hard mode'? 'tedium mode'?

It just struck me that we put up with 14 years of DDR fire-on-the-ground raiding because they had to add shit to do for DPS classes because the new guys who took over WoW after the Blizzard dev exodus around that time didn't want to nerf Alliance paladins.
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"Classic Mode" .
 
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No, we got 14 years of DDR fire-on-the-ground raiding because Blizzard turned raid design into an arms race against addon developers. They needed to pare down the LUA API and addon capabilities but instead they let the players run amok creating what were tantamount to cheat modes via addons. They should have taken a hard line and made it so addons were cosmetic in nature with very little access to what's under the hood. Then we wouldn't have to deal with the idiotic levels of raid tuning we have now.
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This is something I agree with immensely. I enjoy the fact that we are allowed so much customization over the UI but I have said it before the sheer amount of information allotted to people who addon's vs not is so immense. Also Blizzard even after all this time has done very little to update the UI to things that simply make since like defaulting the player and target unit from to the middle of the screen from the top left.
 
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Blizzard turned raid design into an arms race against addon developers. They needed to pare down the LUA API and addon capabilities.
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I was a prolific addon author, and I concur with this. I made shit that was making me say, I can't believe they are letting me do this. As I mentioned, I did not like threat meters and thought they were bad for the game. I tried to make that before others did but couldn't figure out how to track how certain abilities were being used like Sunder. Maybe some later patch allowed for it or I just missed a way of doing it.

At one point I made a multi-box assistant addon that automated tasks. I got around the one cast per button press restriction by simply changing what the button did on the fly, and used a gamepad to spam the key. It was fun botting my friend's priest while AoEing on the mage. I also made a decursive-like addon that was highly customizable so it could do what decursive did plus a lot more.

At one point I literally wrote to Blizzard and begged them to disable one of my addons because I didn't like what it did to the game. (Preform AV Enabler) They didn't respond but not long after they disabled the addon's core functionality in exactly the way I suggested, so I was pleased. Unfortunately I asked them much too late. (was in 2012)
 
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bosses do things at specific % on health, or when their energy bar goes full, or when their mana bar goes empty, that's not counting the visual cues or even sound cues

you can raid without addons extremely easily in the current state of the game if you just pay attention

but why the fuck would I do any of that shit when I could instead install weakauras tbh
 
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Addons for bags, bars, and quests are ok for the QOL improvement. But, I never used raiding addons; made that shit too boring. Not going to use them this time either, despite being 15 years older and a whole lot slower (anyone tried playing Counter Strike lately? Fuck that...).
 
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The only raid addon I used was damage meters, they made me get the addon for C'thuns chain lightening but I didn't need it but they could see if I didn't have it.
 
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At one point I literally wrote to Blizzard and begged them to disable one of my addons because I didn't like what it did to the game. (Preform AV Enabler) They didn't respond but not long after they disabled the addon's core functionality in exactly the way I suggested, so I was pleased. Unfortunately I asked them much too late. (was in 2012)
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ahhh nice. this is what helped turned the BGs into casino like slots where you either get the shitty BGs with the pre-made group/raid and get stomped or you maybe have a chance (on some servers)
 
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I was a prolific addon author, and I concur with this. I made shit that was making me say, I can't believe they are letting me do this. As I mentioned, I did not like threat meters and thought they were bad for the game. I tried to make that before others did but couldn't figure out how to track how certain abilities were being used like Sunder. Maybe some later patch allowed for it or I just missed a way of doing it.

At one point I made a multi-box assistant addon that automated tasks. I got around the one cast per button press restriction by simply changing what the button did on the fly, and used a gamepad to spam the key. It was fun botting my friend's priest while AoEing on the mage. I also made a decursive-like addon that was highly customizable so it could do what decursive did plus a lot more.

At one point I literally wrote to Blizzard and begged them to disable one of my addons because I didn't like what it did to the game. (Preform AV Enabler) They didn't respond but not long after they disabled the addon's core functionality in exactly the way I suggested, so I was pleased. Unfortunately I asked them much too late. (was in 2012)
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I wrote an addon and distributed it to the guild and various PVPers. Everyone would go to the AV queuer and I would click a button, and everyone would Q at exactly the same time.

We would zone in, about 30 of us would get in together. We then had mages open portals to Orgrimmar and said "help summon" to get the unwanted 10 out and our guys in.

Was very good times. Think this was very early TBC.
 
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ahhh nice. this is what helped turned the BGs into casino like slots where you either get the shitty BGs with the pre-made group/raid and get stomped or you maybe have a chance (on some servers)
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BG's during TBC were a ton of fun. Most of my time playing WoW was during that time in BG's. Never made max level, but loved playing BG's. Even had a lvl 19 twink after a while. Think it was a druid, but I played a lot of low level BG's on various toons back then.

If they let you twink again, I might consider trying classic. But I doubt my rose colored glasses would survive the effort.
 
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swayze22 said:
ahhh nice. this is what helped turned the BGs into casino like slots where you either get the shitty BGs with the pre-made group/raid and get stomped or you maybe have a chance (on some servers)
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The irony was that I queued alone most of the time, so my addon was being used against me and I hated it. I had never wanted it to be used to circumvent the matchmaking, just to get more friends into AV so it would just make AV like the other BGs where you could queue up everybody. Matchmaking was added later, which tried to match premades with premades, and so people started hacking my addon to work on other BGs and these hacks were being put on Curse. I didn't want to lose control over my work so I just implemented it myself. Also, to be frank, the curse points money was not a trivial amount of money for me.

Blizzard never should have allowed that to continue after matchmaking went in.
 
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....why would you not be able to twink....
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Yeah, I worded that badly. If I recall correctly you use to be able to stop leveling at 19 and just play a twinked out toon in low level BG's forever, or well, until they changed it. But it's been a long time, don't recall the exact details anymore.
 
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Again, for the guys that said dbm makes raiding too easy I would like you to try any mythic boss.

I'll agree with khane that it was an arms race. But dbm is hardly some easy mode button. I love weak auras too but they start to toe the line a bit.
 
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Torrid said:
I was a prolific addon author, and I concur with this. I made shit that was making me say, I can't believe they are letting me do this. As I mentioned, I did not like threat meters and thought they were bad for the game. I tried to make that before others did but couldn't figure out how to track how certain abilities were being used like Sunder. Maybe some later patch allowed for it or I just missed a way of doing it.

At one point I made a multi-box assistant addon that automated tasks. I got around the one cast per button press restriction by simply changing what the button did on the fly, and used a gamepad to spam the key. It was fun botting my friend's priest while AoEing on the mage. I also made a decursive-like addon that was highly customizable so it could do what decursive did plus a lot more.

At one point I literally wrote to Blizzard and begged them to disable one of my addons because I didn't like what it did to the game. (Preform AV Enabler) They didn't respond but not long after they disabled the addon's core functionality in exactly the way I suggested, so I was pleased. Unfortunately I asked them much too late. (was in 2012)
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What was the name of the multi-box addon?
 
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Again, for the guys that said dbm makes raiding too easy I would like you to try any mythic boss.

I'll agree with khane that it was an arms race. But dbm is hardly some easy mode button. I love weak auras too but they start to toe the line a bit.
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That's the point though. The power of addons necessitates high end encounters having tons and tons of shit going on.
 
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Khane said:
What was the name of the multi-box addon?
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A lot of my addons/projects were never polished enough to release; that was one of them. Making a UI for that would have taken much much longer than the actual functionality. They disabled it in TBC along with a slew of other addons though, by preventing the changing of button behavior in combat.
 
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