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Quineloe

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TBC was an utter shit expansion, the zones were boring, boring and more boring. The tube dungeon design started rearing its ugly head right there. The only good thing about that was that it was easy for them to design SO MANY DUNGEONS but if you look at the design of e.g. Auchenai crypts, it is very obvious which dungeons were inspired by massive EQ dungeons and which were not. The Arena finally took all meaning out of factions for PVP, horde fought horde, alliance fought alliance and no one cared about the outcome. You moved from indirectly competing with your own faction in PVP due to bad honor system to directly competing with them, because all lore and story elements had been purged from PVP.

The reason it was so successful regardless was that there was absolutely nothing else to play, we were still blown away by how much fun the last 2 years had been, and naysaying about "this is getting too easy" was still countered by remembering what some game devs had considered "fun" prior to WoW. So we barely carried ourselves through 10 levels of grinding and the raids were really good again, and that kept us going. The World however was shit.
 
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Cybsled

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The Arena finally took all meaning out of factions for PVP, horde fought horde, alliance fought alliance and no one cared about the outcome

All the servers had shit population imbalances, so it was usually giant Zerg owns the smaller Zerg. The losing side loses interest, then no one pvps
 

Morrow

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Did anyone see that video some youtuber did about returning to WoW with WoW classic, where he sees an Orc in his head and it's like The Shining? I saw it somewhere, maybe even here, and I want to show it to someone and now I can't find it.
 

Harshaw

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Did anyone see that video some youtuber did about returning to WoW with WoW classic, where he sees an Orc in his head and it's like The Shining? I saw it somewhere, maybe even here, and I want to show it to someone and now I can't find it.
 
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Harshaw

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I can see this going up to LK. I think it's a pipe dream to think that they will build new content specifically for the Classic servers though. They aren't going to split their dev teams off of Live because expansions bring in big chunks of money at a time. Unless they are going to start charging say 25 bucks to go from WoW Classic to WoW Classic: TBC.
 

Crone

Bronze Baronet of the Realm
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Whoever had posted that Genie addon fix for Classic is awesome!!

But now it's working great on my Warrior, and not at all on my Mage. Wtf? Mages bags are so whack right now because of no sorting. :(
 

Keystone

Lord Nagafen Raider
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i mean they could charge.. id pay $25 or somethjng to move my char from a classic server to a tbc launch server. And prob the same for wotlk and then would gladly pay for future expansions down that alternate path.
 

Arbitrary

Tranny Chaser
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They've already fucked around with timeline/alternate dimension shit. No reason they can't do it again.

They wouldn't have to do anything from scratch, not right away at least. They could split the time line at any particular expansion or expansions and use all of the zones, items, models, animations and the like as a starting point - something akin to The Legend of Zelda and then the second version of the game you gain access to after beating it the first time. It's familiar but everything's been moved around. You could, for example, steal all the neat little bits of Warlords of Draenor and mush them together with bits of The Burning Crusade and tell an entirely different story.
 
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Il_Duce Lightning Lord Rule

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TBC was an utter shit expansion, the zones were boring, boring and more boring. The tube dungeon design started rearing its ugly head right there. The only good thing about that was that it was easy for them to design SO MANY DUNGEONS but if you look at the design of e.g. Auchenai crypts, it is very obvious which dungeons were inspired by massive EQ dungeons and which were not. The Arena finally took all meaning out of factions for PVP, horde fought horde, alliance fought alliance and no one cared about the outcome. You moved from indirectly competing with your own faction in PVP due to bad honor system to directly competing with them, because all lore and story elements had been purged from PVP.

The reason it was so successful regardless was that there was absolutely nothing else to play, we were still blown away by how much fun the last 2 years had been, and naysaying about "this is getting too easy" was still countered by remembering what some game devs had considered "fun" prior to WoW. So we barely carried ourselves through 10 levels of grinding and the raids were really good again, and that kept us going. The World however was shit.
I'm with you on the arena shit. Another misguided attempt at making WoW into an E-sport. BG's good, arena bad.

Maybe we should start a WoW 2 or a WoW Remake thread and compile all the good points WoW did right over the years and all the points that they got wrong over the years in the OP.

Things that shouldn't have been done:
  • Flying mounts
  • LFR
  • Multiple raid difficulty levels that are NOT like the Ulduar optional difficulty levels.
  • Arenas
  • Completely linear dungeons. Getting slightly lost in a dungeon because it's just a bit confusing unless you're intimately familiar with it is part of the fun.
  • Ruining the talent system with MoP. Or was it Cata? Whenever they started to squish things and then take away the points system entirely. EDIT: Definitely Cataclysm. 31/10 when you're lvl 80? Fuck you.
  • Boosting services/heirlooms.
  • Meaningless itemization
  • Seeking perfect class 'balance' which also sucks the uniqueness and fun out of every class
  • Gutting the profession system
  • Making the player a hero of X, Y, and Z! Instead of just another adventurer mixed up in greater events.
Things that are good additions or at least don't actively harm things.
  • Achievements
  • Pet battles
  • More flight points
  • More quests to fill out the grinding. WOTLK questing especially I thought was pretty awesome, minus some of the phasing stuff.
  • Dual Talent specs. But no more than that!
  • The new zones even up through Cataclysm are themselves pretty well done. Meaning: the atmosphere, music, themes, etc. More of that kind of thing is always welcome.
  • I'm fine with adding new classes periodically. The DK, Monk and DH are all fine, it's the execution of those classes that might need help.
  • New races here and there. As long as they get unique vanilla style racials, a few more races over time is fine. But without something that sets them apart it just feels bland.
As usual it's tough to come up with positives, lol. I'm sure there's a few QoL things that are ok that I'm not thinking of.
 
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Chris

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They should add High Elves to Alliance and Ogres to Horde, then release Quel'Thalas and all the Cataclysm zones on Eastern Kingdoms/Kalimdor in the classic style and without stupid shit like volcanoes and pyramids everywhere.

Best they will actually do is design the next epxnaison with classic principles in mind.
 
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Serpens

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Yeah that seems like a total nonstarter to me. Just releasing TBC with some tweaks though, that sounds promising, but I imagine it has it's own problems. Like, the effort to do that is probably significant. And then there's the matter of what tweaks to put in. We're thinking "hey, flesh out this zone" or something, they're thinking "ADD LFR!!!!!"
I think a classic dev said TBC/WOTLK would be relatively easy to do; all the hard work was done for classic.
 

Arbitrary

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Next Summer/Fall we'll get another retail expansion and the Summer after that we'll get TBC, repeat until no longer profitable.
 
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a_skeleton_05

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It's pretty brilliant when you think about it. This is the perfect sort of thing to fill those long content gaps in retail. How many people would have stuck around if they had classic to play during the half end of SoO?
 

TecKnoe

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nevermind i got it, if anyone has that issue delete guidelime and busteas guide and reinstall through twitch app that fixed it.
 
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Tmac

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People complaining about flying must have forgotten how absolutely shit the flight paths were.

“I want to go from point A to point B!”

“Ok, after we leave A, we will take a swooping non-direct path across the zone, then we fly to point C, then fly back the way we came and take another swooping path, we will then go to point d, f, d again...then take a sweeping pass at B, circle it once, then land”

“Bitch do you straight line?”

Had a guy in my RFK comment about this as he was flying to Southern Barrens today, haha.