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Most people pro LFR basically feel they have a right to see all the content because they pay the same sub as the hardcore folks. But that $15 doesn't give you the right to all the content. It gives you the same access to the world.

Once you're in that world, your accomplishments should be proportional to how much effort you put into obtaining said items. LFR requires zero effort and is all reward. That lack of risk vs reward is gonna kill MMOs and this game eventually.
 
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Flipmode_sl said:
Most people pro LFR basically feel they have a right to see all the content because they pay the same sub as the hardcore folks. But that $15 doesn't give you the right to all the content. It gives you the same access to the world.

Once you're in that world, your accomplishments should be proportional to how much effort you put into obtaining said items. LFR requires zero effort and is all reward. That lack of risk vs reward is gonna kill MMOs and this game eventually.
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Making content that only 10% of the customers can see is kinda pointless.
 
Quaid

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W4RH34D_sl said:
Making content that only 10% of the customers can see is kinda pointless.
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Meh, I disagree.

I got the knights of the round materia in FF7 not because it was necessary to enjoying, or even completing the game, but because of the bragging rights and the full game experience. That little bit of content only a few would ever see was what made me play that game hundreds of hours instead of dozens, and what made it one of the most memorable gaming experiences of my life.
 
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W4RH34D_sl said:
Making content that only 10% of the customers can see is kinda pointless.
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The other 90% has the opportunity to access that content. They don't want to put the work into doing it. It's like Quaid said few posts ago. Just because they didn't want to beat Bowser doesn't mean they weren't able to. They had the same chance as everyone else playing the game.

Being to lazy or not having the time/skill to play is NOT the devs fault. That's the players. I get that some people have limited time. This is the wrong genre of game for them sorry to say.
 
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Itzena_sl said:
Better inyouropinion which, as can be seen quite clearly, is irrelevant to Blizzard.
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McDonnalds sells the most cheeseburgers. By your logic, it must be the best.

Just FYI, I played the shit out of WoW and loved every second of it.
 
BoozeCube

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Which is why I don't know why so many of these guys play MMORPG's in the first place. There are hundreds of better single player games one could spend time in if all they want is a solo experience, there are a handful of really dick grindingly hard games out there as well if you like DDR style memorize every button press games too that you can pat yourself on the back for doing as well. But why play an MMORPG if that's the experience you are striving for?
 
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I probably would unsubscribe if they got rid of LFR. Ever since I fully geared out my monk in LFR and finished my legendary cloak, I haven't logged in except to do living steel cooldowns (for the engineering mount in 5.4). I don't want to deal with a bunch of kids trying to do raids anymore. Now you might say "Well, LFR is full of kids!". Yes, it is. But you have the option of bailing the fuck out whenever you want and you can play on your own schedule, not the schedule of the guild leader who can't play until 11pm or whatever.

It scratches the raiding itch, but without all the stuff that made you hate raiding to begin with after you've done it for 10+ years (ie, it starts to feel like a job).
 
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Cybsled_sl said:
I probably would unsubscribe if they got rid of LFR. Ever since I fully geared out my monk in LFR and finished my legendary cloak, I haven't logged in except to do living steel cooldowns (for the engineering mount in 5.4). I don't want to deal with a bunch of kids trying to do raids anymore. Now you might say "Well, LFR is full of kids!". Yes, it is. But you have the option of bailing the fuck out whenever you want and you can play on your own schedule, not the schedule of the guild leader who can't play until 11pm or whatever.

It scratches the raiding itch, but without all the stuff that made you hate raiding to begin with after you've done it for 10+ years (ie, it starts to feel like a job).
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See that's what I mean, why make an entire genre of games garbage because you need instant gratification. Play COD if you only have 15minutes. By your own admission you barely even play this game beyond you queue up and freebie loot and to get your little hamster pellet for the day. That's what they call addiction. If you don't want to play with kids maybe back the fuck up off video games in general and visit the fucking senior living care and play backgammon.
 
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Yes, clearly it's 100% different than playing any other multiplayer game. You should be banned from playing DOTA2 or Battlefield 3 if you aren't doing a clan vs. clan match. You're the one who seems angry that his avenues to epeen enhancement are being whittled away.
 
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I'll never understand why anyone would want LFR to go away. If you don't like it, don't do it. If you think the existence of LFR diminishes your Heroic Garrosh kill then you're an idiot. The enjoyment of completing Heroic or Normal level raiding content is the sense of accomplishment from completing the progressively more difficult puzzle by combining the tools a group of friends have at their disposal and operating within a certain rule set. "Seeing content" is an incredibly small % of why Heroic raiders raid, and generally only applies to seeing that new ability or phased zone. After the first time, just like going through on Normal, 'seeing content' again no longer matters and its back to solving the puzzle. Someone doing LFR doesn't effect this in any way, especially since the rewards pale in comparison and it yields almost no sense of accomplishment. LFR caters to a different subset of people than Heroic and Normal.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
You miss the point. They shouldall go away.
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Why, they are fine inside of wow. You just have to accept that wow no longer has a world but is simply a dungeon lobby game. There is nothing wrong with that and it has a place among games. Its just that its no longer what I would consider a true mmorpg. Its more of a mmodf (dungeon finder).
 
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Titan_atlas_sl said:
The great thing about you is your last avatar was some socialist marxist bullshit. You sir are an idiot, you said not playing nets you the same results, no shit thats why communism doesn't work cause the guys working don't want to carry the worthless pieces of shit for the same pay. At Draegan a couple posts down yeah this is why people hate listening to this asshole Dumar, you mean people like their ability to determine their accomplishments? No shit. Also btw saying the guy who passes the 5th grade competence test is the same as the guy who passes the bar exam is a retarded analogy.
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Not playing requires the same amount of effort as playing. The result is obviously different because I now have a goddamned purple in my hand for my time afked in LFR.

Communism doesn't work because of fucking idiots like you and fucking stupid posts like yours.
 
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mkopec_sl said:
Why, they are fine inside of wow. You just have to accept that wow no longer has a world but is simply a dungeon lobby game. There is nothing wrong with that and it has a place among games. Its just that its no longer what I would consider a true mmorpg. Its more of a mmodf (dungeon finder).
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Yeah but only a few people seem to be able to see that.
 
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mkopec_sl said:
Why, they are fine inside of wow. You just have to accept that wow no longer has a world but is simply a dungeon lobby game. There is nothing wrong with that and it has a place among games. Its just that its no longer what I would consider a true mmorpg. Its more of a mmodf (dungeon finder).
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It's not even a dungeon lobby game. It would have to have dungeons for that. I'm not sure what you call instances in WoW, but they're certainly nowhere close to a dungeon.

Let's go crawl through Auchenai Crypts, said no one ever.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
Let's go crawl through Auchenai Crypts, said no one ever.
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I'll bite your troll. 9 hours straight for Black Rock Depths alone. Then there was upper Black Rock Spire and the Raid Molten Core. All in the same area.

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