World of Warcraft: Current Year

Khane said:

So apparently they are planning on "upgrading" the mission table to auto-chess:

MMO-Champion - Shadowlands Alpha - Adventures System

Shadowlands Alpha - Adventures System

www.mmo-champion.com

Why won't they just let the stupid "garrison/order hall/mission table" mini game die...

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Bleh. Honestly I enjoyed the order hall version of it, while catching up, I obviously got some of the garrison quest done and have a full list of followers for that, plus the shipyard stuff...but I never delved deep enough into those to know how it was. Mission table in BFA is a pale version of the class order hall champions, though. Not a fan of turning it into what it sounds like, but will have to see what happens.

The plate set actually looks good. Still minor shit compared to abilities/class feel/and covenant systems, though.

Big Phoenix said:

This is some bad bait.

Bullshit. No one is retarded enough to say "oh hey guys we had no idea your complaints where valid because we are playing an entirely different game than you!". Its merely an excuse for just ignoring their customers.

It would be nice to play something other than a paladin. But Im not gonna spent 3-4 hours doing the cloak quest, then spend hours farming visions, then spend hours farming up the necklace/essences, for every alt. It is simply a retarded mechanic and its mind boggling a company that is supposedly all about hours of engagement has completely stifled incentive to play any characters.

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FtFy

I did the cloak on my main. Skipped it on an alt. Got some corrupted gear on that alt, and it FUCKING KILLED ME. A few minutes later, I no longer had WoW on my of my computers, which was the first time since the game came out.

I can't believe they require a maddening grind for even the shittiest of gear. I can't imagine how tedious the next xpac will be.

Mist said:

From this thread all I see is people who don't like azerite, corruptions, mission table, personal loot, warforging, item sockets, visions, etc.

You know they make this thing called WoW Classic right? You might want to be in the other thread?

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Imagine wanting to play something new that is also fun. Well, you obviously cannot imagine it, but try. Let's try again: imagine wanting to play something new that is also fun.

Did it sink in yet?

So don't play the facebook minigame? I can't remember the last time I went out of my way to do the mission tables in BFA. I'll occasionally do it when I run past it but lmao

You're so dramatic about everything

xzi said:

So don't play the facebook minigame? I can't remember the last time I went out of my way to do the mission tables in BFA. I'll occasionally do it when I run past it but lmao

You're so dramatic about everything

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This whole board is so dramatic about everything. You can do whatever you enjoy in this game and only that if you like. I just got flying, I haven't stepped foot in the new raid yet. My cloak is like level 9. I log in a couple times a week, do some dungeons, log out and move on with my life.

The problem here is every guy thinks they are some world first raider and Blindly follows what Preach and Asmongold complain about. None of the stuff actually effects them though. A system comes in that you don't like? Don't do it!

Last week someone was complaining WoW didn't have clickies like EQ. Like how many toys are there in this game?

All of the systems that have been added to the game are to keep people playing. I don't know if people realise this but this company is a for profit business. They want you to continue to play. The Facebook minigames are there because they are addictive. Big shocker to any housewife who played Farmville. You will never see another successful MMO without them is my guess.

xzi said:

So don't play the facebook minigame? I can't remember the last time I went out of my way to do the mission tables in BFA. I'll occasionally do it when I run past it but lmao

You're so dramatic about everything

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The BfA version was far less intrusive to the game than the Garrison and Legion Order Hall were. You still had to do missions to advance your character and unlock progression points in BfA but not nearly as much as you did in WoD or Legion. It's pretty stupid to put the facebook mini game into WoW and then force players to use it. Which is exactly what they've always done. Ignoring it was never an option. In BfA it looked like they were finally ready to sunset it, but apparently not. Apparently they want to go all in again like they did with the Garrison.

The WoD Garrison was actually a fully fledged mini game, in terms of playability it was probably the best version. The problem is this is not farmville. It's World of Warcraft. Why would I log into WoW to play auto-chess? I could just go play TFT or DOTA Underlords if that's what I wanted to do.

Neranja said:

Interesting tidbit: Ion said there will be a cap for power grinding and you'll be done for the week.

Positive: It's alt friendly, because once you are done you can play alts.
Negative: You can't grind it out and it's wholly dependant on catchup mechanics if you can bring up alts up to speed.

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I believe they said that for Legion and BFA as well. And it was mostly true. If you played regularly, you got to diminishing returns on AP pretty quickly where it would take days to see the bar move.

There is a lot of stuff that people here, including myself, wouldnt do if it was an "option." But if I want to be king dick in my raid group, then I have to have completed x y and z for the min/max of my character. "X" I could deal with, but "Y" and "Z" I have no interest in doing, so I'm not exactly "forced" to do them, but I'm obligated to do them. So the argument for "just dont do them" is kind of asinine. The argument for "Well you arent a King Dick Raider, so why do you care?" - Because, Karen, I either refuse to do that shit just to be a KDR, or if I just so happen to choose to be a KDR, I wouldnt want to do that extra shit cause it's not fun to me. Which, completely kills my urge to play the game when I can't just do the shit I like doing.

No one is arguing against new systems in reality. I liked the Garrison, but it doesnt take a PHD to see why they were a bad thing. I liked the Mission table in WoD, too. But I dont like the mission table now. It feels tacked on, and time gates the lamest fucking content. People, including me, hate expeditions. You arent required to do them, but you're obligated to because for most of the expansion - that was the biggest AP reward you were going to get. Systems like that are what effectively make people hate AP as well. If all you want to do is raid, then you're fucked with your neck cause you cant farm a raid. Azerite Items are lame af, because in order for me to be a KDR, I have to farm these bull shit ass instances over and over until it drops. Then when it drops, in order for it to compete with a raid since they nerfed the fk out of Mythic+, I have to hope for it to warforge. Which again, leads down another argument of why the fk no one likes Warforging. Grandson, I appreciate the thoughts and prayers on facebook.. but I could have used a Ventilator instead.

Again, it is dramatic in response. Some of these systems are fun if you just give them a chance. I like Mechagon and Naz can eat a dick. But to get flying, I have to do Naz. It's not the end of the world, but fuck.. Just make it where I cant fly in Naz until I do that chiev. Why does everything have to be tied to everything in the god damn game. I get it, you want to extend the sub out as long as you can. But at some point, you just have to realize that if you have spectacular content.. people will fucking play. You dont need to make people feel obligated to do all this extra shit.

Mist said:

ITT:

"I want to log on to raid once or twice a week, and I don't want any other progression-oriented activities to exist for anyone else that wants to play the game beyond that, because that would make me feel like I'm not the hardcore badass I once thought I was."

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So.. basically, since I dont want anything tied to the things that I like doing that means that I'm not good at doing the things that I like doing? Or are you saying that since I dont want to play 25 hours a week, that I'm not allowed to be good at the things that I like doing? So.. Time spent equals Skill at game? .. I mean, whatever floats your boat and makes you think you're right and I'm wrong I guess. If I had to do a Pet Battle to defeat phase 2 of the last boss, that would be ok in your world cause.. "Progression." Raiding is an example. If I only wanted to play Mythic + and had to have fishing at 175 Zandalar to get the next difficulty level, that makes sense to you as well.

Daidraco said:

So.. basically, since I dont want anything tied to the things that I like doing that means that I'm not good at doing the things that I like doing? Or are you saying that since I dont want to play 25 hours a week, that I'm not allowed to be good at the things that I like doing? So.. Time spent equals Skill at game? .. I mean, whatever floats your boat and makes you think you're right and I'm wrong I guess. If I had to do a Pet Battle to defeat phase 2 of the last boss, that would be ok in your world cause.. "Progression." Raiding is an example. If I only wanted to play Mythic + and had to have fishing at 175 Zandalar to get the next difficulty level, that makes sense to you as well.

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Nothing is really tied to those things though. You can easily get to neck 80 with an extremely small amount of effort. What else do you need the mission table for? Flying? Why do you care about flying if you are just raiding logging?

Daidraco said:

So the argument for "just dont do them" is kind of asinine. The argument for "Well you arent a King Dick Raider, so why do you care?" - Because, Karen, I either refuse to do that shit just to be a KDR, or if I just so happen to choose to be a KDR, I wouldnt want to do that extra shit cause it's not fun to me. Which, completely kills my urge to play the game when I can't just do the shit I like doing.

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I don't disagree just saying "Don't do them" is usually a shit response but in the case of BFA tables there is literally zero reason to do them, for the entire expansion. Even when AP was relevant the 100 ap after 18 hours it gave was nothing compared to the 450 you could get from a 3 minute world quest.

If they can somehow manage to make tables enjoyable (I doubt it), then I'll welcome it.. but at worst it's just another thing I ignore like pvp pet battles. & neither of them will have any effect on my character whatsoever.

Unless they do what Khane thinks they'll do and add mythic armor back to them for some reason.

Neranja said:

Interesting tidbit: Ion said there will be a cap for power grinding and you'll be done for the week.

Positive: It's alt friendly, because once you are done you can play alts.
Negative: You can't grind it out and it's wholly dependant on catchup mechanics if you can bring up alts up to speed.

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Do we have to fill a bar to power a macguffin every expansion?

Fyff said:

Last week someone was complaining WoW didn't have clickies like EQ. Like how many toys are there in this game?

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WoW toys and EQ clickies aren't even in the same universe as far as what they do. This is a terrible comparison.

Merrith said:

WoW toys and EQ clickies aren't even in the same universe as far as what they do. This is a terrible comparison.

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Why not? One of the ones they posted turns you on to a dark elf. Pretty much the same thing....

Fyff said:

Why not? One of the ones they posted turns you on to a dark elf. Pretty much the same thing....

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Did you actually play EQ Fyff? If you did, it's ridiculous to even have to clarify why they aren't even in the same league.

Clickies had actual advantages...

1) Early on, they were modest buffs/abilities your class did not have access to (Water Breathing, Small Attack Buff, SoW, Levitate etc) or minor, fun things like Illusions (these could also provide out of combat benefits) - These were good to serve as dispel bait on dragon/big boss raids.

2) Later, they added 'essential' clickies, mana regen, hp regen, resistances. Last time I looked at EverQuest, many of these items that were many expansions old were still farmed/collected, just for their clickable abilities.

WoW has absolutely nothing like any of those. Toys are just that, toys. They provide no tangible benefit, other than the few small movement based ones (Angler's Raft/Surfboard. The feather in WoD/Kite in Legion).