Merrith
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Although, random tangent...did balance druids ever get nerfed yet? I know Unholy DK's and Marksman Hunters got some nerfs, but I hadn't seen if balance druids ever did.
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Although, random tangent...did balance druids ever get nerfed yet? I know Unholy DK's and Marksman Hunters got some nerfs, but I hadn't seen if balance druids ever did.
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No they are absolutely broken in most aspects of the game right now (No idea on PVP).
Druid is in one of the healthiest spots its been in. Even Feral is good right now. Bear tanking, while not back to Legion-esque powers, feels like it's at least good enough (at least its not a Prot Warrior lol), and Resto is always a solid choice to bring in almost any situation.
I'd say top 5 DPS if you want to both raid and M+ are Balance Druid > MM Hunter > Afflock > WW Monk > Unholy DK(DK loses points for M+ but still very solid and is a god in nathria)
If we're just talking M+ replace DK with Outlaw and put Fire Mage equal to Druid or Hunter.
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jayrebb
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In raids I top charts. I can tell u don't play.
M+ i dominate trash #1 overall besides spriests which are currently S tier. but on bosses balance is #1 dps which puts them ahead in overall instance damage.
A druid being only 100 over in high keys 210+ ilevel is serious under performance.
SL isn't whatever you played. You and 90% of this forum aren't even in SL or on the SL endgame.
Balance falls under a new keys meta called boss assassins. Classes that deal 14k dps during an M+ boss. Merrith can cut in and easily confirm any of this but I doubt he gives a fuck about some dude mouthing off that doesn't play.
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jayrebb
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Other less notable boss assassins are Fire mage and spriest (which is also s-tier aoe, making them wayy too dominant)
For high keys assassin meta, you want the balance druid as a priority.
Some groups will take a warlock when running boss assassins meta. But the main assassins are balance, fire, shadow. Insane 1.5 minute fight output.
For high keys assassin meta, you want the balance druid as a priority.
Some groups will take a warlock when running boss assassins meta. But the main assassins are balance, fire, shadow. Insane 1.5 minute fight output.
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jayrebb
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A lot of it has to do with balance pressing 1 button to cast 10 or 20 spells at once via covenant.
Add broken legendary to broken covenant.
My role isn't to be #1 dps in high keys overall. They bring hunters to shred aoe.
For overall M hunters fall middle of the pack. Mostly because the bosses are 60 second fights where spriest and balance have faster GCD efficiency. Hunter is a GCD starved class and needs the long raid fights to rise.
So compare how many rotations hunter can get in a 60 second window, to boss assassins with insane ramp up ( balances covenant is literally to cast a hundred spells in one click ). So take the bosses hp and give 80% of that bosses hp to the total instance overall damage for balance, and do that for 4 or 5 bosses. Thats a lot of damage balance is doing that I can't make up for.
Raids? Yeah hunter is gonna be overall #1.
Raids ain't keys.
I remember being in my first meta 10+ key. The boss died before I hit 2nd rotation. Like Khane, at the time I wasn't aware of the meta. After I saw how these groups were built (2 aoe kings, 1 boss assassin) i had to tweak my build to fit my role since I was only being brought to clear trash the fastest.
Add broken legendary to broken covenant.
My role isn't to be #1 dps in high keys overall. They bring hunters to shred aoe.
For overall M hunters fall middle of the pack. Mostly because the bosses are 60 second fights where spriest and balance have faster GCD efficiency. Hunter is a GCD starved class and needs the long raid fights to rise.
So compare how many rotations hunter can get in a 60 second window, to boss assassins with insane ramp up ( balances covenant is literally to cast a hundred spells in one click ). So take the bosses hp and give 80% of that bosses hp to the total instance overall damage for balance, and do that for 4 or 5 bosses. Thats a lot of damage balance is doing that I can't make up for.
Raids? Yeah hunter is gonna be overall #1.
Raids ain't keys.
I remember being in my first meta 10+ key. The boss died before I hit 2nd rotation. Like Khane, at the time I wasn't aware of the meta. After I saw how these groups were built (2 aoe kings, 1 boss assassin) i had to tweak my build to fit my role since I was only being brought to clear trash the fastest.
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raider.io disagrees
I don't see how it disagrees when balance is in the top
Are you saying balance druids aren't meta?
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You're misunderstating how significant that is.
1) Nobody wants to touch a spec that had its eclipse bar deleted by blizzard.
2) I need to also remind you convoke was buffed-- just before launch, so none of the min-maxers even got their hands on it. Its considered one of the biggest bandaids in class design history. A covenant shouldn't be required to fill your class role. Right now balance is being defined by a September late buff to a covenant, rather than balance itself being s-tier, it would appear its the covenant that is s-tier.
Balance is not a popular pick.
The fact balance is included in top 20 runs just serves as evidence and reinforcement of what I said. It'll only get bigger, as more people warm up to playing a spec thats been traditionally bastardized by blizzard.
Balance + legendary + covenant = meta until next nerf.
1) Nobody wants to touch a spec that had its eclipse bar deleted by blizzard.
2) I need to also remind you convoke was buffed-- just before launch, so none of the min-maxers even got their hands on it. Its considered one of the biggest bandaids in class design history. A covenant shouldn't be required to fill your class role. Right now balance is being defined by a September late buff to a covenant, rather than balance itself being s-tier, it would appear its the covenant that is s-tier.
Balance is not a popular pick.
The fact balance is included in top 20 runs just serves as evidence and reinforcement of what I said. It'll only get bigger, as more people warm up to playing a spec thats been traditionally bastardized by blizzard.
Balance + legendary + covenant = meta until next nerf.
Khane
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Yes, in S1 in BfA it was Blood DKs. After they were nerfed it was Prot Warrior. Other tanks worked but nothing was as close to as good as those two in their respective time frames. That's just the way it is.
Khane
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Balance is the best ever! Hunters are middle of the road!
*sees link showing hunters are the most represented dps class by far at the top end of the game*
That link just proves my point! Somehow! Trust me!
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jayrebb
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I said spriest was meta. They're s tier on aoe and single target.
Boomkin is the top single target damage in a 60 second window you can get.
Stacking 2 hunters isn't the perfect meta right now but their single target is a-tier and they're s-tier on aoe, so for racing M+ you can stack double hunters over sticking a boss assassin into the group.
But get off raider IO and go into the game. You'll see a consistent demand for boomkin (or shadow) in high keys. There is a reason for that.
Boomkin is the top single target damage in a 60 second window you can get.
Stacking 2 hunters isn't the perfect meta right now but their single target is a-tier and they're s-tier on aoe, so for racing M+ you can stack double hunters over sticking a boss assassin into the group.
But get off raider IO and go into the game. You'll see a consistent demand for boomkin (or shadow) in high keys. There is a reason for that.
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Yea, Im not looking for them to make any changes anytime soon. When you see people looking specifically for Vengeance tanks on Premades instead of any other tank, you would think that would be a call to action for Blizzard. Their tool kit is just too good for Mythic + and its obnoxious. On the other hand though, DH's are typically last pick in raiding from what Ive seen. So its a toss up for what you're trying to achieve. Prot Pallies can do most everything well, and thats really all thats mattered so far this expansion to me.