World of Warcraft: Current Year

3 spears every time instead of 2 (holy cooldowns!), a variety of different types of siege engines in p2, and p3 also has debris from p1 again except you have to have people soak them to prevent (????) (raid wide damage I assume?)

The main diff in their p3 handling is they put bombs to the left along the slag volcano edge and just shift the raid slightly the right, vs running all the way across the room like the popular (fatboss?) early published strat. No fucking of melee dps like everyone else seems to be doing.

How in the hell they handle 3 people getting full damage marked for death throughout p3, I have no clue. That is some absurd cooldown management, for sure. That's not really something that you can see just from the video but, the fight is a LOT harder than it looks.

Kreugen_sl said:

People are all butthurt because Method transferred alt chars to other people for their Blackhand kill so they could stack certain classes (at least an alt druid/hunter/rogue all x-ferred from one player to another I think?) They are crying TOS and shit when it doesn't even apply because it was a paid x-fer. Hell, only method beat him week 1 and only paragon beat him by week 2, that's fucking insane.

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I think the problem is that characters can only be transfered to accounts created by the same person. It was account sharing which is against the TOS. I'm amazed at the lengths these guilds go for world firsts, it really is impressive the amount of dedication it takes.

Abefroman_sl said:

I think the problem is that characters can only be transfered to accounts created by the same person. It was account sharing which is against the TOS. I'm amazed at the lengths these guilds go for world firsts, it really is impressive the amount of dedication it takes.

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i feel bad for them, yah this was fun when i was 16-18 but they are basically pro gamers, and arent getting paid for it with the amount of time these guys put in.

TecKnoe_sl said:

i feel bad for them, yah this was fun when i was 16-18 but they are basically pro gamers, and arent getting paid for it with the amount of time these guys put in.

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I dunno, they must enjoy that stuff. Plus I was watching someone from Paragon stream today. Just a Heroic BRf, nothing special. People were fucking throwing money at him with donations. I still don't understand that donation shit with twitch and why people do it.

oh ok sorry they didnt stack druid healers cause they probably arent the shit for that fight like the pallys they brought are, dosent change what the point about it is.

your trying to tell me, they didnt bring a specific set of healers (classes etc) are you dumb? they went through every other trouble of stacking the raid sorry they didnt stack druids, but i bet they didnt just take whatever healers were online i bet that set up is for a very specific reason.

Looks more like a combo of max single target dps + unrestricted movement + personal cooldown stacking.

That is a FUCKTON of survival cooldowns to get through that shit. Like, unprecedented in WoW and maybe broken overboard.

It's hard to tell from the video but, shit, it's bad enough on heroic.. Watch the dudes with marked on them.

Kreugen_sl said:

Looks more like a combo of max single target dps + unrestricted movement + personal cooldown stacking.

That is a FUCKTON of survival cooldowns to get through that shit. Like, unprecedented in WoW and maybe broken overboard.

It's hard to tell from the video but, shit, it's bad enough on heroic.. Watch the dudes with marked on them.

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was an awesome video give them all the credit in the world with how clean that kill was even WITH the stacking of the raid, their execution is top notch.

Everyone who has killed it seems to have subbed in an extra hunter/rogue/druid at the least.

Survival cooldowns seems to be the new hotness when it comes to big dick endgame. If Blackhand had some token aoe phases thrown in you'd probably see more variety.

Hell, I'm just proud as fuck we one-shot heroic Blast Furnace this time around. THAT felt like fucking victory, let me tell you. All 4 primals one-shot.

I was #1 in primal damage, rah. I love how BM lets me pool burst deeps. Fuckin AOE whores can get their big numbers but only one really matters.

I got my ass kicked by a surv hunter on mythic Brackenspore though ;p He built up his fire stacks for the final burst brilliantly... That shit makes my head swim, dealing with burning moss + mechanics + target priority + maxing dps in an new, unfamiliar spec. I'm too old for this shit.

EDIT: Our log this week fucked up, NM.

come on wheres the residential priest to look at my logs and tell me how much glue im eating during raids.

Sorry, I can only pretend to know what I'm doing with rogue and hunter. I won't even lie about mage and I played that shit just one expansion ago and I always sucked at it.

Also, someone probably needs to tell Draegan that Warlock is hard to master and almost everyone who plays one sucks at it and he should just stick with monk. Warlocks under-perform at an absurd percentage beyond any class in WoW, anyone can back me up on this. But I didn't want to be negative because he's just so darn enthusiastic. The hard part about monk is maximizing time on target and survival. The hard part about warlock is FUCKING EVERYTHING.

As for my guild I wish we had someone to mentor a few of our classes that are under performing badly. Unfortunately I think they are old-school, well established members getting creamed by the young guys or people like me who are re-invigorated just by playing a new class. I bet if they class switched they would investigate rotations and such and be better at their unfamiliar class. Kind of a shame because I like these guys but I can definitely see us hitting a ceiling that gear won't fix.

Kreugen_sl said:

Sorry, I can only pretend to know what I'm doing with rogue and hunter. I won't even lie about mage and I played that shit just one expansion ago and I always sucked at it.

Also, someone probably needs to tell Draegan that Warlock is hard to master and almost everyone who plays one sucks at it and he should just stick with monk. Warlocks under-perform at an absurd percentage beyond any class in WoW, anyone can back me up on this. But I didn't want to be negative because he's just so darn enthusiastic. The hard part about monk is maximizing time on target and survival. The hard part about warlock is FUCKING EVERYTHING.

As for my guild I wish we had someone to mentor a few of our classes that are under performing badly. Unfortunately I think they are old-school, well established members getting creamed by the young guys or people like me who are re-invigorated just by playing a new class. I bet if they class switched they would investigate rotations and such and be better at their unfamiliar class. Kind of a shame because I like these guys but I can definitely see us hitting a ceiling that gear won't fix.

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well he was healing on his monk, we were desperately low on ranged DPS one week so he went and rolled it, and we had like 7 healers come to the raid.

I loved my warlock in vanilla up into wrath, affliction was THE shit when i played so basically just keeping dots up was the most annoying part, and making sure you never miss a free shadowbolt, but thats so long ago the warlock now has alot more shit going on than before i played mine up to 96 and was like completely confused at the class, and that was as affliction maybe it was because i was low lvl probably is, but affliction now seems really awful.

I hate melee dps. I had enough time with that on the assdick hard raids in Rift.

I read the midwinter aMa and they didn't bring druid healers i guess because they go oom too quickly on mythic blackhand. Really surprised to see feral druid on their kill, you barely see any of those anymore as boomkin is the fotm.

Hopefully the minivan raid will kill blackhand soon. Really want us to get into heroics

Also can't decide what alt to play. Got a 91 warlock and a 61 monk I'm interested in. Was thinking the monk could be an alt healer but could also gear it for tanking in case they still remain 100% better than every other tank right now.

Noodlemod_sl said:

I read the midwinter aMa and they didn't bring druid healers i guess because they go oom too quickly on mythic blackhand. Really surprised to see feral druid on their kill, you barely see any of those anymore as boomkin is the fotm. Hopefully the minivan raid will kill blackhand soon. Really want us to get into heroics

Also can't decide what alt to play. Got a 91 warlock and a 61 monk I'm interested in. Was thinking the monk could be an alt healer but could also gear it for tanking in case they still remain 100% better than every other tank right now.

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Some of our healers really need some gear before we make a real push for heroics. How many of them are even at or close to 670? 2?

Oh I agree, I am just a greedy progression whore

Amycus_sl said:

Some of our healers really need some gear before we make a real push for heroics. How many of them are even at or close to 670? 2?

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im sitting at 661, but 654 equipped or whatever, the only real upgrades are a helm, and finding gloves and bracers with the stats i actually want.

I dont see wearing a higher ilvl just cause, feel like sticking to gear with my main/sub stat on it, i have 678 bracers/gloves but the stats arent what i want(vers/crit and mast/vers) i dont think the raw stat increase to INT makes up for not having crit/mast on it, and i dont think there is even a pair of gloves with crit/mastery, and theres like 2 bracers with it, so in those slots im still using lower ilvl for the crit/mast.

I could be wrong. and maybe wearing whatever the highest ilvl is, is intended to be better for raw stat gain.

It's actually intended that you take higher Ilvl with worse stats. That's why gem slots and enchants are so important. I just use the mr robot addon to analyze what's better. It's almost always been the higher Ilvl unless the lower one has a gem slot.

Kreugen_sl said:

Anyway, learned a lot watching the Method Blackhand vid that just came out. If you are working on it, take a look. The way they handle p3 will be the new standard for sure - fucking fatboss has people running all over the place while Method's strat is 100x simpler. The mythic version doesn't seem to add much, but having to handle standing in demolition while volcano is covering 3/4th of the room, holy shit! Their p1 strat won't be needed outside of mythic but it's still pretty creative and unique and probably makes it stupid easy.

If you've repped the fight on any difficulty this will make you sick with how smooth it looks:Method vs Blackhand Mythic World First - YouTube

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Their strat works because they have three Rogues and a Monk tank to abuse Feint/Elusiveness/Shadowstep/Transcendence in order to soak massive smash with four people (Rogues + the tank). You need exactly this composition for this to work, most heroic groups won't have this so you can't rely on it when writing a strat.

Massive Smash has to hit four people or he just casts it again immediately. The offtank also can't pick up Blackhand right after MSS because he still has Slagged. Feint + Elusiveness reduces the smash damage by 85% and Elusiveness also reduces the dot, so if you have three Rogues they're all you need to soak it alongside the tank. Also, Shadowstep and Transcendence let you port right back to the boss from midair immediately after being hit so you don't even lose any DPS time on him from smash and you don't have to do a tank swap either.

If you don't have three Rogues and a Monk tank, you have to have your whole raid eat the smash because there aren't any other classes that have short enough cooldowns to survive every MSS he puts out. Ret Paladins can sort of do it but they only have a 40% reduction and they can't port right back in, so it requires a lot of extra effort from the healers in the phase where everyone is close to death already.

Alavaz_sl said:

It's actually intended that you take higher Ilvl with worse stats. That's why gem slots and enchants are so important. I just use the mr robot addon to analyze what's better. It's almost always been the higher Ilvl unless the lower one has a gem slot.

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i just dont see how 20-40 more int, really makes up for me loosing crit and mastery on my pieces.