World of Warcraft: Current Year
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Frell that.
I am locking all of my followers, with the exception of Leorajh and Vivianne, inside of the garrison hall and setting it on fire before I leave.
What exactly do you think was ignorant? To help you feel better , I will willingly stipulate your epeen is John Holmes in size thanks to your success in WoW's hardcore raiding scene. I don't recall anyone here saying mythic level raids were easy. I imagine the people still subbed to the game and who enjoy end game raiding aren't capable of comprehending the point I and many others have made. There is a reason several million players have stopped playing the game. You can stick your head in the sand if you want but it doesn't change the reasons why so many people have quit.
Now the point I made which went over several fanboys head is that based on their track record of fundamentally changing major parts of the game every expansion, one of the things Blizzard could do for this expansion that might attract back their lost customers is redesigning combat. I profusely apologize to Krugen, Foggy and anyone who was offended by that.
STFU rescorla you are a moron and you can't even remember your stance today which was bullshit about you thinking FF14 doesn't have tab targeting and then it evolved to FF14 doesn't have DPS rotations and now your bullshit is that you just wish they redesigned combat when that is probably why 0.001% of people left the game.
Do you even possess reading comprehension skills? At no time did I ever say FF14 doesn't have tab targeting. If you are going to throw a personal attack my way, at least don't be a dumbass and get everything wrong.
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Fuck it, I'll bite.
What *exactly* is your point, spell it out for me, because I'm one of those 6 odd million dumb shits that still bothers to log in twice a week to raid, pvp and fuck around. Furthermore, I'd like to know why I'm not capable of comprehending your position on the matter.
...and while you're at it.
I want to know, what complexity did WoW have in vanilla that it doesn't have now?
You can't comprehend the point since you aren't experiencing what I and others like me have experienced. Raiding in vanilla/TBC WoW is the most fun I've ever had in any MMO raiding but those days are long past for me. Just don't have the time for it anymore. Players like you obviously still do have the time so from your perspective WoW is still the best MMO out there for hardcore raiders. I fully agree with you. The point is for those of us who are not into hardcore raiding for any reason, the game is beyond boring now. There is no middle ground. Its either difficult end game raids or EZ mode with little to no challenge. The night I got my ilevel high enough to queue for LFR I queued up as a tank. I didn't know jack about any of the fights but I had DBM installed. The pug LFR killed every boss with ease, there were no deaths, and I got a couple of purple loots. I unsubscribed the next day since I didn't have anything else to look forward to. I never once came close to having the feeling in vanilla or TBC.
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What you've just outlined is kinda how I felt towards the end of Everquest. Should I bother to explain to you, why *you* feel like WoW needs to be changed at its very core (the combat system)? -- I know why, I *can* explain it but do you want to know?
PS: You didn't tell explain what complexity WoW had in vanilla that it doesn't have now.
Either you meant FF14 had fundamentally different combat mechanics than WoW entirely, or you just mentioned it like a retard when it had no relevance at all to your statement. If you wanna change your mind and make a completely different argument (or 2, or 3) now, that's fine. But pull your head out of your ass and stop pretending none of your previous posts exist.
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Well no matter how much we argue about the combat, it will never change. It is going to stay the same it has always been, and the same most other MMOs are. Wildstar has a pretty fun combat system in my opinion (not for heals.. god), and their raids are pretty solid. But the amount of people in the first month that quit on the forums/reddit because of the combat was higher than I figured it would have been.
I mean, I don't know what else they can do at this point.
I mean, I don't know what else they can do at this point.
You are more than welcome to say whatever you want to.
If you played vanilla and TBC and also played WoD, then you should know the game was more challenging back then. Karazahn may be the best raid dungeon ever designed. Anything in WoD come close to replicating that experience?
Thanks for quoting me and proving a_skeleton_03 is full of shit. How someone could read that and come up with the idea I said FF14 doesn't have a tab target rotation-based combat system is beyond me. I've been attacked a lot of this board for a lot of different things but that is one of the stupidest ones yet.
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Karazhan was new, 10 man raids weren'treallya thing (not counting early ubrs that people just face zerg). I agree, it's one of my favorite raids especially because the people I was playing with, but WoD raids are probably the best they have ever been really. The raid game continues to get better while the rest of the game is sort of.. mediocre. Excluding LFR, to say it was more challenging back then isn't really true at all.
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In some ways combat has become less complex and more just a simple tests of reaction time. Rotations have been simplified while on-screen distractions have been increased to create 'universal challenge' to fit the 'bring the player' homogeneous scaling content button. Be careful to not conflate complexity with challenge.
LOL at Kara being harder than WoD when all you have done is LFR.
We can't comprehend what you have been through in the MMO scene? I have raided in every major MMO. I was in a top ten world EQ guild, I was in FoH during Vanilla to WotLK when we gave up raiding, after that I was in a small guild pulling top ten tank parses on wow progress. In TOR we beat the entire launch in nightmare a few days after the first guild did. I have played FF14, TERA, WH, FF11, EQ, EQ2, AO, EnB, EVE, TR, VG, AoC, Wildstar, WoW, Matrix, PotBS, RO, Lineage 2, AC2, DDO, so many weird Korean ones, and many more I forgot all to max level and launch raid usually beat.
We can't comprehend what you have been through in the MMO scene? I have raided in every major MMO. I was in a top ten world EQ guild, I was in FoH during Vanilla to WotLK when we gave up raiding, after that I was in a small guild pulling top ten tank parses on wow progress. In TOR we beat the entire launch in nightmare a few days after the first guild did. I have played FF14, TERA, WH, FF11, EQ, EQ2, AO, EnB, EVE, TR, VG, AoC, Wildstar, WoW, Matrix, PotBS, RO, Lineage 2, AC2, DDO, so many weird Korean ones, and many more I forgot all to max level and launch raid usually beat.
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Hahahahaha. This guy. This is like a retired NFL player randomly having a pick up game against a bunch of grade school special ed students and claiming the NFL is not like it use to be. Of course it was stupid easy, that is the point. Holy shit, what a fucktard. Stop posting.
Go join a normal level raid guild, or a heroic, or a mythic. The raids today are much more complex and harder than vanilla and TBC. Every single class is also more complex and requires more skill to reach its full potential. If they released one of those raids today even shitty guilds would be through the content in a week. It is not the game's fault you don't play the part of the game that would bring enjoyment; it is your's.
edit: Also, I played release day 1. The only reason vanilla was hard is because nobody knew what was going on. Today we know the exact rotation to use to output the most damage, we know every single boss ability before we see them, we have complete working strats before the first pull, and we have addons telling us exactly when boss abilities are coming and when we should react. Despite all these huge advantages, the content still kicks your ass. It is so much more advanced than vanilla simply comparing them proves you are completely out of your depth on this topic. Did fucking LFR and can draw an opinion about the current game, hahahahaha.
The game has plenty of flaws, there is no reason to make up fake ones.
edit2: Quick anecdote, my guild cleared through normal HFC on an offnight to see all the bosses we had not yet killed on heroic during the 1st or 2nd week. We walked up to Zakuun and nobody knew a single mechanic but we pulled and one shot it with ease. We then got to him on heroic and little did we know it is one of the harder fights in the raid and was bugged. He kicked the shit out of us. The jump from even normal to heroic is massive (let alone zero mechanics LFR). I cannot wait for the challenge of mythic.
So instead of learning an encounter you let a computer tell you what to do and then claimed it was easy. Good job?
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Do you always make it a habit to resort to strawmans? Perhaps you do have a reading comprehension problem. I didn't say Kara was harder than WoD. I just said it was the best raiding experience of any MMO I've ever played. I also made it quite clear you can't comprehend my perspective because you don't experience it yourself. You just listed your hardcore raiding resume. Pat yourself on the back for that. If you actually took the time to read what I actually wrote, you would see that I said I don't have the time for that anymore. No idea why that simple point is going over so many people's head. If you don't do mythic/heroic raids in WoW, the game is boring as shit now because it's been dumbed down so badly. Your inability to grasp that point doesn't invalidate it.